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MovieMusicals.net wrote:Timon/Pumba fan,

I'm a very agressive debater and this tends to make me seem offensive. And I remember you said you were only 13 or 14, so I will have to try to be nice...

1) Hunchback has an 80% fresh value at Rotten Tomatoes, while Mermaid has 89%. Both have mostly positive reviews - I don't know what you're talking about with Hunchback getting bad reviews. All films will have negative reviews, but at the reviews listed at Rotten Tomatoes, they are mostly positive for both films, while both having their share of negatives.

2) Unforgettable? Hardly. You don't see Little Mermaid characters in the parks now, do ya? Except for Ariel in the parades, who is part of the Princess line. Esmeralda is not a princess and marketed in the Princess line, so she wouldn't be featured. Even still, I often see her in the theme parks for photo opportunities. Both films were mass merchandised. Both hadstill, I often see marketed in the Princess line, so she wouldn't be featured. Even her in the theme parks for photo opportunities. Both films were mass merchandised. Both had sequels. Both have/will have stage musicals done. Both have/had theme park shows.

And of course Little Mermaid will be more popular than Hunchback. It was the film that rebirthed the Disney musical. Plus it was a better film. It doesn't make Hunchback a BAD film. Hunchback was very good. In my opinion, better than Mulan and Hercules.

3) No, even with the price difference, Hunchback would have still done better in the box office than Mermaid:

http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm

In 1989, average ticket price was $3.99 and in 1996 was $4.42. That's less than fifty cents. Mermaid would barely have made the $300million mark. So no, Little Mermaid did NOT pass Hunchback.

Little Mermaid "crushed" Hunchback?? There is no proof Mermaid did better in video sales/records. This information is not publicly available. It was released 7 years earlier, so I would imagine it might have done better because it had more time. Find the initial rental/sales information and I'll believe you.

4) The only thing I SLIGHTLY agree with was calling Hunchback "disappointing." It was SLIGHTLY disappointing because it wasn't as good as Mermaid, Beast, Aladdin, and Lion King. Hunchback, Mulan, and Pocahontas were not as good. And then Hercules and Tarzan would be group-ranked third.
1. That's okay you can treat me as you would treat anybody else 13 or not! :)

2. According to Rotten Tomatoes The Little Mermaid has only 28 reviews and The Hunchback only had 30. As you can se not very many reviews. If you actually got alot more reviews I think The Hunchback percent would drop.

3. Are you kidding me! ARIEL IS EVERYWHERE!!!
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Still say The Little Mermaid isn't at the parks! While the Hunchback was popular when it was released and was popular for a little bit but now the the shows at Disneyland and Walt Disney World are gone, I haven't seen a single character from The Hunchback.

4. Well I'm not sure how you would adjust box office scores, but I think The Hunchback's scores would go lower so Ariel would just barely pass Hunchback. But if The Little Mermaid didn't pass The Hunchback at all, it at least did better than Hunchback in America and Japan(the countries that sell the most movie tickets).

5. Actually Tarzan and Pocahontas did very well in terms of box office and popularity. The Hunchback would still be second to last place behind Hercules. Mulan did worse box office wise, but really did well with reviews and video records.
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Hunchback's U.S. sales = $100,138,851/4.42 = $22,655,848
Little Mermaid's U.S. sales = $111,543,479/3.99 = $27,955,759

So it does seem Mermaid did a little bit better, according to NATO's index.
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:1. That's okay you can treat me as you would treat anybody else 13 or not! :)
For future debates, you asked for it! :lol:
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:2. According to Rotten Tomatoes The Little Mermaid has only 28 reviews and The Hunchback only had 30. As you can se not very many reviews. If you actually got alot more reviews I think The Hunchback percent would drop.
Do some research. Don't make me do all the work. Get 10 major critics and see how they reviewed Hunchback and Mermaid. The same critics for both films. And ten MAJOR ones. We're talking Siskel & Ebert (Siskel died in 1998 didn't he?).
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:3. Are you kidding me! ARIEL IS EVERYWHERE!!!

Still say The Little Mermaid isn't at the parks! While the Hunchback was popular when it was released and was popular for a little bit but now the the shows at Disneyland and Walt Disney World are gone, I haven't seen a single character from The Hunchback.
What I DID say was that Mermaid is in the parks more than Hunchback. What I DID say was that Mermaid is more popular than Hunchback.
What I am TRYING to say is that Hunchback is much more popular than you take it to be. More liked by the masses than you take it to be. More unforgettable to the masses than you take it to be. More successful than you take it to be. Not neseccarily more than Mermaid, but what YOU TAKE IT TO BE.

You brought up this whole Mermaid -vs- Hunchback debate, getting away from my original point.
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:4. Well I'm not sure how you would adjust box office scores, but I think The Hunchback's scores would go lower so Ariel would just barely pass Hunchback. But if The Little Mermaid didn't pass The Hunchback at all, it at least did better than Hunchback in America and Japan(the countries that sell the most movie tickets).
I'm not understanding these remarks. Home Video Sales & Rentals grosses are not publically available. Sure, there are "Top 10s" and some studios do release statements for certain films, but there are no published running totals. You might find "opening week" or "pre-sale" records for Mermaid and Hunchback individually. Do some searches. Again, I can't do all the work. Don't mind it, but I have an early road trip tomorrow morning and I gotta pack.
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:5. Actually Tarzan and Pocahontas did very well in terms of box office and popularity. The Hunchback would still be second to last place behind Hercules. Mulan did worse box office wise, but really did well with reviews and video records.
I wasn't referring to success. I was ranking in terms of my opinion:

Disney's best of the '90s:
Little Mermaid (it was 89, so what!)
Beauty & the Beast
Aladdin
The Liong King

Disney's second best of the '90s:
Pocahontas
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Mulan

Disney's third best of the '90s:
Hercules
Tarzan

But ALL of the '90s films were great!!
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Hunchback was a lot more successful in Europe than in the US. I think Hunchback did alright in the box office. The budget for the movie was $70 million.

Hunchback was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Music, Original Musical or Comedy Score in 1997 but it didn't win. Oh well. :)
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:4. Well I'm not sure how you would adjust box office scores, but I think The Hunchback's scores would go lower so Ariel would just barely pass Hunchback. But if The Little Mermaid didn't pass The Hunchback at all, it at least did better than Hunchback in America and Japan(the countries that sell the most movie tickets).
We must also remember that The Little Mermaid broke a dry period. To have a not-so-nice reputation when it comes to your animated features and then go and break that reputation is difficult. The Little Mermaid had to proove doubters wrong, so it took much more time to gain popularity, whereas Hunchback already enjoyed a popular reputation from the studio.
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MovieMusicals.Net and Timon/Pumbaa Fan, your debate about The Little Mermaid and The Hunchback of Notre Dame and their prescence in the theme parks reminds me of a Disney theme park story which seems to reflect your quarrelling...

Last year whilst in Disneyland Paris, we went into a restaurant to go to the toilet. They had character meals on, with Chip, Dale and Friar Tuck circling the venue. Frollo was also circling the venue and like all costumed villains, is forced to be scary to little people. Obviously, this must have been fun for the guy in costume, and I saw him being imposing on a little girl in an Ariel costume (which was simply a replica of her wedding dress with a little sea-shell badge complete with image of Ariel within :roll:), making her cry. I know that story isn't 100% exciting, but this debate reminded me of Frollo and Ariel's dispute...
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