Dumbo: Special Edition Blu-ray and DVD Discussion

Coolmanio · Post by **Coolmanio** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:16 am

yukitora wrote:Are these new features?

Yep

And lets hope we get a lot more of them

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:24 pm

Thanks for the info, Coolmanio. I'm guessing the half hour "Taking Flight" is probably a new making of documentary, which makes me very excited!

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:17 pm

Woohoo, new features!

A part of me was initially upset that "Taking Flight" was only 26 minutes, but then I realized that 26 new minutes is MUCH BETTER than a recycled 16 minutes (Peter Pan: Platinum Edition, I'm still looking at you!

). Plus, given the quick production that Dumbo went through, it'd be hard to stretch talking-head discussion of the film to something like 45 minutes, unless they spend like 15 minutes just gushing about why they love the film (oh wait, that's what "Celebrating Dumbo" was for!

). I hope that gets carried over too, along with all the relevant special features that were on the 60AE and BTE. They could even repurpose the material they had for Dumbo 2 into "The Dumbo Sequel That Never Was". And here's to still hoping that The Reluctant Dragon gets included too!

albert

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:37 pm

I tend to doubt that "The Reluctant Dragon" will be included... really, is it like Disney to give us two full-length films for the price of one? (and, no, the "Classic Caballeros Collection" doesn't really count, since they were both considered the "feature presentation.")
It really stinks, too, since it one of the few movies that I want, but don't have yet... I joined DMC too late to get the exlusive, barebones edition, and can't afford the WDT: Behind the Scenes at the Walt Disney Studios.....

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:46 pm

What is the song in the new trailer? Well I guess it's an instrumental track. I really like it.

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:46 pm

Margos wrote:I tend to doubt that "The Reluctant Dragon" will be included... really, is it like Disney to give us two full-length films for the price of one? (and, no, the "Classic Caballeros Collection" doesn't really count, since they were both considered the "feature presentation.")

They did it with Wall-E, putting "The Pixar Story" on disc 2 so that they could fill up 2-discs, even though "The Pixar Story" was made before Wall-E.

It really stinks, too, since it one of the few movies that I want, but don't have yet... I joined DMC too late to get the exlusive, barebones edition, and can't afford the WDT: Behind the Scenes at the Walt Disney Studios.....

I would say that the fact that DMC no longer carries their exclusive version of the film in it's entirety might be a good indication that Disney has been thinking about releasing it elsewhere, possibly on the Dumbo Special Edition. If the bonuses classified are the only new bonuses (in addition to what will be recycled), then they still don't have enough to fill up 2-DVD discs.

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:14 pm

*gasps* That's a really good point, Goofystitch! I didn't even think about "The Pixar Story," and that would make sense as to why they pulled it....
Oh my gosh, now I have something completely new to be looking forward to! Well, whether "The Reluctant Dragon" is on there or not, I am most certainly replacing my BTE with the new special edition!

JustOneBite87 · Post by **JustOneBite87** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:16 am

JDCB1986 wrote: I remember reading somewhere they said they have been working on restoring the whole animated canon and that at the time of the interview they were "starting from the beginning."

Oh really? Actually starting from the beginning and working their way to the end? That's actually quite, well, logical. I like the idea!

JDCB1986 wrote: With this new process and having the negatives scanned at an 8K resolution (nearly 8x larger than Blu-ray is capable of showing,) a proper restoration from the original negatives could last Disney for several years and formats, much longer than restorations of the past.

If they restored all of the animated classics from their original negatives, they would have no need to restore them again until a format was available that is capable of showing better than 8K resolution, which will be a VERY long time.

That sounds like what they recently did with The Wizard of Oz. Very smart if you ask me, actually preparing for the decades to come! I think we're reaching a point were certain films are about as "restored" as they are going to get, so now it's all about maximum resolution.

JDCB1986 · Post by **JDCB1986** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:44 am

JustOneBite87 wrote:
JDCB1986 wrote: I remember reading somewhere they said they have been working on restoring the whole animated canon and that at the time of the interview they were "starting from the beginning."
Oh really? Actually starting from the beginning and working their way to the end? That's actually quite, well, logical. I like the idea!

I'm not sure if they are working beginning to end, naturally the will have to give the titles being released sooner top priority, but if I remember correctly, they had said there were plans to restore them all. Once they get to the CAPS films it's a different story, but the 29 (or however many it is) before that will all be restored using the same technique. (If they follow through with their plans.)

I think they are getting a pretty good start, I just hope they don't pass over the smaller titles.

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:19 am

I honestly think the lower video quality of the 70/80s film has something to do with why people (nowadays) don't tend to enjoy them as much...

so looking forward to these!

JustOneBite87 · Post by **JustOneBite87** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:20 am

yukitora wrote:I honestly think the lower video quality of the 70/80s film has something to do with why people (nowadays) don't tend to enjoy them as much...

so looking forward to these!

I'm pretty sure it all comes down to how many VHS and DVD units of a particular film have sold over the past couple of decades combined with the fact that, like you seem to infer, many of those 70's/80's films have significantly faded from the consciousness of the general public.

Not surprising, since Disney rarely, if ever, airs them on television..and when they do it's usually early, early in the morning and with a very poor print.

I've seen Dumbo on Dchannel a few times in the morning hours and it looked no better than a 1980's VHS print...not the best way to expose a new generation of children to a classic.

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:13 am

JDCB1986 wrote: With this new process and having the negatives scanned at an 8K resolution (nearly 8x larger than Blu-ray is capable of showing,) a proper restoration from the original negatives could last Disney for several years and formats, much longer than restorations of the past.

If they restored all of the animated classics from their original negatives, they would have no need to restore them again until a format was available that is capable of showing better than 8K resolution, which will be a VERY long time.

There's no way Disney is going to pay for 8K restorations. The process is incredibly expensive and superfluous as well. The difference between a 4K restoration and 8K cannot be seen on a HDTV. Also, I doubt people will have 8K equipment at home. You need an absolutely enormous screen to get the full benefits from it.
And 8K is only four times bigger than HD, which is around 2K.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:03 am

How enormous, you ask? From my understanding, IMAX is only 4k.

JDCB1986 · Post by **JDCB1986** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:45 pm

KubrickFan wrote:
JDCB1986 wrote: With this new process and having the negatives scanned at an 8K resolution (nearly 8x larger than Blu-ray is capable of showing,) a proper restoration from the original negatives could last Disney for several years and formats, much longer than restorations of the past.

If they restored all of the animated classics from their original negatives, they would have no need to restore them again until a format was available that is capable of showing better than 8K resolution, which will be a VERY long time.
There's no way Disney is going to pay for 8K restorations. The process is incredibly expensive and superfluous as well. The difference between a 4K restoration and 8K cannot be seen on a HDTV. Also, I doubt people will have 8K equipment at home. You need an absolutely enormous screen to get the full benefits from it.
And 8K is only four times bigger than HD, which is around 2K.

Firstly... we were both wrong about how much better 8K is than HD.
According to the folks who just restored The Wizard Of Oz using 8K,
"The 8K scan would have about 16 times the pixel resolution of an HD image."

Secondly... in 2003 a typical colour film digital restoration ran about $75-250K...
Even if that price had doubled, which is not likely, seeing as the restoration processes have improved so greatly since then.
Spending $500K on these films, that will without question earn that money back in the many years of
home video and theatrical re-releases that the restorations will grant them, is hardly superfluous.
An 8K restoration would last them 2 or 3 decades (or more,) the decision to future-proof them for a while is a great one by Disney.

As for your doubts that people will have 8K equipment at home.
It will happen. Look at TV's 10 years ago.
Things will continue to improve and 8K resolution will eventually make it's way into homes.
Theatrical re-releases will also benefit.

$500K now is better than $250K now + $300K in 10 years + $400K in 20 years.

drnilescrane · Post by **drnilescrane** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:50 pm

A little spanner in the works is the fact that CAPS is 2K Max (Hey, it was good enough in 1989!). I wonder if they are going to have to go back and re-composite all those films in a new system or if it's a simple case of just getting somebody in to write a patch for the software and using some faster equipment. I guess it all depends on what resolution the original assets were captured at (they say that they were scanned in at "100%" on all the DVD bonus features, but that number means nothing in real terms).

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:43 pm

It's likely just to be as simple as a re-rendering. So long as the film exists in digital form, CAPS or not, they'll always be able to easily change the resolution, even if they try another restoration to replace the current one.

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:40 am

ajmrowland wrote:How enormous, you ask? From my understanding, IMAX is only 4k.

Um, no it isn't. Standard 35mm film is around 4k. And the differences in size between a 35mm frame and an IMAX frame is pretty big:

So, it has to be much bigger than that. Problem is that 8K scanning is the best they can do nowadays.

JDCB1986 wrote: Firstly... we were both wrong about how much better 8K is than HD.
According to the folks who just restored The Wizard Of Oz using 8K,
"The 8K scan would have about 16 times the pixel resolution of an HD image."

Secondly... in 2003 a typical colour film digital restoration ran about $75-250K...
Even if that price had doubled, which is not likely, seeing as the restoration processes have improved so greatly since then.
Spending $500K on these films, that will without question earn that money back in the many years of
home video and theatrical re-releases that the restorations will grant them, is hardly superfluous.
An 8K restoration would last them 2 or 3 decades (or more,) the decision to future-proof them for a while is a great one by Disney.

As for your doubts that people will have 8K equipment at home.
It will happen. Look at TV's 10 years ago.
Things will continue to improve and 8K resolution will eventually make it's way into homes.
Theatrical re-releases will also benefit.

$500K now is better than $250K now + $300K in 10 years + $400K in 20 years.

But 8K restorations are simply superfluous for the films that aren't shot on 70mm. The lightly added details aren't worth the cost, I think. Especially not for around fourty full-length motion pictures.

And you're also forgetting that scanning methods and restoration methods are continuing to evolve too. So, even though an 8K restoration is done now, there's absolutely no guarantee there isn't going to be another one in a couple of years from now. Look at The Wizard of Oz, which got it's full blown 4K restoration only a couple of years ago. The only reason it got an 8K restoration is because it's such a popular film, and not nearly every Disney film has achieved that kind of popularity.

TV's ten years ago had the same resolution as dvd's have. It took us four to five decades to have a new broadcasting system, so HD is going to stay for a while. And judging from the fact you need around a 50 inch television to get the full benefits from HD, I think you need a tv the size of an entire wall of your home to get the full benefits of 8K, if we'll ever go there.

Coolmanio · Post by **Coolmanio** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:51 pm

The Dumbo Big Top Edition Page on Disney DVD.com has been updated. It is now listed as Not Currently Available. Let's hope the new DVD/Blu-ray gets a page soon!

http://disneydvd.disney.go.com/dumbo.html

Just.A.Friend · Post by **Just.A.Friend** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:38 pm

Does anyone know how long it usually takes on average before we get some cover art of a release? I thought that I had seen Snow White cover art back in January in one of the threads on this site, but I'm not positive.

Seems like we should be getting some Dumbo cover art, and even Fantasia soon too.

Wonderlicious · Post by **Wonderlicious** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:10 am

Just.A.Friend wrote:Does anyone know how long it usually takes on average before we get some cover art of a release? I thought that I had seen Snow White cover art back in January in one of the threads on this site, but I'm not positive.

Seems like we should be getting some Dumbo cover art, and even Fantasia soon too.

The Snow White cover-art got leaked out so early because it was the big October Platinum. The cover-arts for nearly all other releases wouldn't be released until around three or four months before coming out. So it shouldn't be too long till we see the cover-art for Dumbo (and Fantasia hopefully).

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