Frozen: Part III

[Linden]

As a redhead, that's offensive.

Red is a nicer color to me than orange, I apologize if that's offensive. Besides, orange would never be as striking as red, especially when countered with purple and green.

And it's no surprise that I find Ariel more vibrant than any of the examples you gave.

Absolutely, Ariel's more vibrant. I was just pointing out that more realistic-looking red hair isn't usually ugly in animation. Although, I do kinda consider Quasimodo's hair ugly. I probably should've used someone else. Thomas, say.

And no worries about the redhead thing. I figured it was just weird phrasing, although there are some crazies who truly dislike redheads. In the unlikely event that you were one of those, I just wanted to stand up for myself.

[Jules]

OMG have you guys even noticed Patrick's avatar? It's funny as hell!

[DisneyEra]

OMG have you guys even noticed Patrick's avatar? It's funny as hell!

I think Briar Rose may have given Anna some of those "BERRIES"

[TheRotoscopers]

Hey Guys! Morgan with The Rotoscopers!

I don't know why I didn't think to chime in here last Friday when all the Frozen craziness was happening. This place has some of the best discussion on the subject!

But yes, so based on the concept art I have, Anna and Elsa's designs in the posters are LEGIT! Posters are fake, designs are REAL.

Anna is definitely a strawberry blonde/redhead in the pictures I have of her (and the outfit she's wearing is in the poster is officially titled "Anna - Traveling Ensemble"). So she must wear some other clothes (obviously) during the movie, but I believe that is the outfit she's predominantly wearing throughout. Also, I have another image that is "Anna - Traveling Hair", which shows her wearing her fuchsia hat and two braids. It's funny that people say she looks like Rapunzel because in the concept art, I NEVER would have thought that once. I guess she just translated poorly or differently into CGI. (That was my worry after seeing the BEAUTIFUL concept art. That they wouldn't transfer as well to CGI).

Elsa has more pinky undertones in her skin. Both sisters have freckles (as seen in the posters). Elsa's dress is exactly as in the poster. Wide neck, icy blue/aqua, with a sheer layer that turns into a HUGE train. A lot of people are disappointed in her design. My guess is that they thought she would have been older, more mature, more regal, etc. (like the REALLY old concept art from years ago).

Personally, I feel the characters in the posters look unrendered. Supposedly, someone had access (somehow) to the models, took them, put them in those poses, and released the fake posters. That's why they look so unprofessional/cheap-looking, in my opinion. The sisters models are probably missing the last few layers of lighting and texturing. Because they sort of look direct-to-video in their current state and, based on Wreck-It Ralph, Disney's technology is better than what those pictures show. (Again, all my opinions).


Anyways, those are my two cents on the subject. OH, our source also gave us more info on the story and more about Hans. Chels and I were going to do a video, but Chelsea worried that we would be spoiling the entire thing. So we decided not to release it (and we also don't want to get on Disney's bad side).

Anyways, thoughts?

[qindarka]

Hey Guys! Morgan with The Rotoscopers!

I don't know why I didn't think to chime in here last Friday when all the Frozen craziness was happening. This place has some of the best discussion on the subject!

But yes, so based on the concept art I have, Anna and Elsa's designs in the posters are LEGIT! Posters are fake, designs are REAL.

Anna is definitely a strawberry blonde/redhead in the pictures I have of her (and the outfit she's wearing is in the poster is officially titled "Anna - Traveling Ensemble"). So she must wear some other clothes (obviously) during the movie, but I believe that is the outfit she's predominantly wearing throughout. Also, I have another image that is "Anna - Traveling Hair", which shows her wearing her fuchsia hat and two braids. It's funny that people say she looks like Rapunzel because in the concept art, I NEVER would have thought that once. I guess she just translated poorly or differently into CGI. (That was my worry after seeing the BEAUTIFUL concept art. That they wouldn't transfer as well to CGI).

Elsa has more pinky undertones in her skin. Both sisters have freckles (as seen in the posters). Elsa's dress is exactly as in the poster. Wide neck, icy blue/aqua, with a sheer layer that turns into a HUGE train. A lot of people are disappointed in her design. My guess is that they thought she would have been older, more mature, more regal, etc. (like the REALLY old concept art from years ago).

Personally, I feel the characters in the posters look unrendered. Supposedly, someone had access (somehow) to the models, took them, put them in those poses, and released the fake posters. That's why they look so unprofessional/cheap-looking, in my opinion. The sisters models are probably missing the last few layers of lighting and texturing. Because they sort of look direct-to-video in their current state and, based on Wreck-It Ralph, Disney's technology is better than what those pictures show. (Again, all my opinions).


Anyways, those are my two cents on the subject. OH, our source also gave us more info on the story and more about Hans. Chels and I were going to do a video, but Chelsea worried that we would be spoiling the entire thing. So we decided not to release it (and we also don't want to get on Disney's bad side).

Anyways, thoughts?

Yeah, it is pretty obvious that the character models weren't final. The quality of story or even character designs may be subjective and hard to determine but Disney would not let animation quality decline like that, especially after Tangled and Wreck-it-Ralph had such impressive animation.

I do wish Elsa looked a little older (perhaps this will be so when it comes to the final models). Really like her design, though. I guess that a lot of people are still imagining her as The Snow Queen from the source material, hence concerns that she doesn't look regal enough or resemble a villain much.

And I think I can guess what is it about Hans. I think it was DisneyEra who speculated about it earlier in the thread. Seems like the sort of thing they would do, especially in this era of Western animation where they like to tie together plot elements like that. Would think it would be best not to spoil anything as well, Disney can be pretty harsh.

How do you feel the story and characters are, from what you know, though? Not specifics, just the general impression.

[Super Aurora]

Elsa has more pinky undertones in her skin. Both sisters have freckles (as seen in the posters). Elsa's dress is exactly as in the poster. Wide neck, icy blue/aqua, with a sheer layer that turns into a HUGE train. A lot of people are disappointed in her design. My guess is that they thought she would have been older, more mature, more regal, etc. (like the REALLY old concept art from years ago).

Yeah same here. If they were going to go with the whole opposite contrast between the two sisters, after I saw Anna in the concept art, I was really hoping Elsa the snow queen to be much older and more regal and serious. I think making her too young kinda takes away the big contrast between the two. They got the color contrast right, but the appearance seems more or less the same between the two. The old concept art that I posted and showed you really what I was thinking and hoping for.

Where Anna seems like the young brightly happy, wide eyed, optimistic, and warm type of person, Elsa I would thought have the older look, cold, stone staring eyes, regal, elegant, majestic, slow moving and serious type person.

The design here itself isn't bad per se, but if this is suppose to be a movie loosely based on Snow Queen, they could at least make the title character look/ resemble the part. I think.


Anna i'm find with. she also kinda how I'd thought she'd look if she was Gerda too.

[DisneyEra]

Hey Guys! Morgan with The Rotoscopers!

I don't know why I didn't think to chime in here last Friday when all the Frozen craziness was happening. This place has some of the best discussion on the subject!

But yes, so based on the concept art I have, Anna and Elsa's designs in the posters are LEGIT! Posters are fake, designs are REAL.

Anna is definitely a strawberry blonde/redhead in the pictures I have of her (and the outfit she's wearing is in the poster is officially titled "Anna - Traveling Ensemble"). So she must wear some other clothes (obviously) during the movie, but I believe that is the outfit she's predominantly wearing throughout. Also, I have another image that is "Anna - Traveling Hair", which shows her wearing her fuchsia hat and two braids. It's funny that people say she looks like Rapunzel because in the concept art, I NEVER would have thought that once. I guess she just translated poorly or differently into CGI. (That was my worry after seeing the BEAUTIFUL concept art. That they wouldn't transfer as well to CGI).

Elsa has more pinky undertones in her skin. Both sisters have freckles (as seen in the posters). Elsa's dress is exactly as in the poster. Wide neck, icy blue/aqua, with a sheer layer that turns into a HUGE train. A lot of people are disappointed in her design. My guess is that they thought she would have been older, more mature, more regal, etc. (like the REALLY old concept art from years ago).

Personally, I feel the characters in the posters look unrendered. Supposedly, someone had access (somehow) to the models, took them, put them in those poses, and released the fake posters. That's why they look so unprofessional/cheap-looking, in my opinion. The sisters models are probably missing the last few layers of lighting and texturing. Because they sort of look direct-to-video in their current state and, based on Wreck-It Ralph, Disney's technology is better than what those pictures show. (Again, all my opinions).


Anyways, those are my two cents on the subject. OH, our source also gave us more info on the story and more about Hans. Chels and I were going to do a video, but Chelsea worried that we would be spoiling the entire thing. So we decided not to release it (and we also don't want to get on Disney's bad side).

Anyways, thoughts?

Hi Morgan, thanks for the updates. I was surprised hi-def images of Anna/Elsa were leaked so soon. But after I though about it, I really wasn't. The posters has that "Cine1" logo on it. A similar poster for Wreck-It Ralph was released last June a week after the 1st trailer came out:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 0460_n.jpg

The only thing different from the Frozen posters is the back ground is clear white. But when you compare the characters Ralph/Vanellope to the posters of Anna/Elsa I see more detail on Anna/Elsa. Plus them being in Hi-Def made it more better.

Also, the "fake" background in the Frozen posters, I knew clearly they were fake. I found this image back in April 2012 of Frozen online:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7662_n.jpg

You can clearly see that is the same back ground as in the Frozen posters.

I think the real reason people say the images are fake is because they don't like the designs of Anna/Elsa personally. Even when the 1st concept image of Anna/Kristoff was released last December, they're were negative feedback. I overall like the designs, & can't wait to see more! As for Elsa being too young, I think Disney wanted both sisters to be around the same age. Them being closer to each other age wise will possibly make their relationship better than if Elsa was much older than Anna. And as for Hans/Kristoff, I agree, best to keep silent on them. Plus considering the negative response on Anna/Elsa's designs, you can imagine what the response for those 2 will be. I'm not even gonna mention Olaf

If you have anymore info on Frozen or want to disscuss more, no better place than this forum. Take care.

[Semaj]

OMG have you guys even noticed Patrick's avatar? It's funny as hell!

She was warned not to stare at Gepetto's clocks.

[TsWade2]

I hope this movie will be a hit.

[TheRotoscopers]

Also, the "fake" background in the Frozen posters, I knew clearly they were fake. I found this image back in April 2012 of Frozen online:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7662_n.jpg

You can clearly see that is the same back ground as in the Frozen posters.

NICE catch! That's impressive. Yeah, the castle in the poster isn't what I remember seeing at Destination D either. Haha.

[Sotiris]

I don't think the backgrounds in the posters are fake. The backgrounds are the same as the one in this image which I know is official as it was the only one that ever featured the earlier official logo.




And we know that was the earlier official logo as it was featured in the official French presentation about Disney's upcoming film slate.




The only things fan-made in those posters are the graphics plastered on top of the images. That includes all the lettering (the names of the characters, the Disney website at the bottom, the "coming soon to cinemas in 3D" tagline), the snowflakes, and the tree branch graphic at the top.

[DisneyEra]

Also, the "fake" background in the Frozen posters, I knew clearly they were fake. I found this image back in April 2012 of Frozen online:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7662_n.jpg

You can clearly see that is the same back ground as in the Frozen posters.

NICE catch! That's impressive. Yeah, the castle in the poster isn't what I remember seeing at Destination D either. Haha.

This has happened before. This is the 1st image of Rapunzel that leaked in her final CGI design. Got this online back in September 2009:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 3020_n.jpg

Now here is the 1st "official image of Rapunzel in CGI design, released in late December 2009:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 0151_n.jpg

Plus here is a very early image of The Princess & the Frog, back when it was called "The Frog Princess" found this image back in 2007:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 4539_n.jpg


Also, one more thing, have you 2 seen the designs of the "Snowman Guards" that guard Elsa's palace? I heard from reports at Destination D that they look menacing & have spikes coming out of them.

[Prince Kido]

Ok,I can also say that the designs are not fake, the posters are obviously but the backgrounds are concept-arts.
The Rotoscopers are right about what they said and described but I think it would be better to not spoil the story girls !
I also know the story and all the visuals for months because I work for Publishing but if Disney took off the posters from Cine1 (despite it was too late), there's a reason!
Only Disney should have the right to publish what they decide to show to the public for the marketing campaign of Frozen.
Look at the Wreck-it Ralph posters, their textures are less good than in the movie itself and they are not always on-model, plus sometimes there are paint-over the CG charas for posters and promos (there were some on Tangled sometimes, and there are some on the Frozen leaked poses I think (especially on some hair parts).
Sure Anna looks like Rapunzel and Elsa is not what most of you expected because everyone has this picture of this regal mature and cold lady as the Snow Queen unconsciously, but both sisters are great characters and the overall story is good believe me.
Last but not least, it's a typical Disney movie okay so please stay patient until things will be revealed by Disney and stay confident if you are a fan of Disney and fairytales.
And about the "uninspired" designs, don't you think that Paperman's characters are so common to what use to do Disney? Don't you think that Elowny, Ariel and Belle have the same face design? Not to mention all the characters from Disney animated features which were reused from the 60s or the 90s...and what about the Ghibli's characters? They look all the very same, but the stories, music, settings are so moving all compiled that you must love the characters in the end.
With CG, it's a bit complex and the production is so tight, and nearly every big studio designs their human leading ladies with big eyes, or thin lips and small nose ( Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs, upcoming Epic etc...). After all, Disney has its own style and Ariel and Rapunzel are some of the most popularized heroines in the heart of children and adults, so I don't have a problem with that even if I got your first negative feelings.
I'm pretty sure you'll love those sisters at the end of the year.

[Sotiris]

OK, I can also say that the designs are not fake, the posters are obviously but the backgrounds are concept-arts.

So my theory was correct. The backgrounds are indeed official.

[qindarka]

Ok,I can also say that the designs are not fake, the posters are obviously but the backgrounds are concept-arts.
The Rotoscopers are right about what they said and described but I think it would be better to not spoil the story girls !
I also know the story and all the visuals for months because I work for Publishing but if Disney took off the posters from Cine1 (despite it was too late), there's a reason!
Only Disney should have the right to publish what they decide to show to the public for the marketing campaign of Frozen.
Look at the Wreck-it Ralph posters, their textures are less good than in the movie itself and they are not always on-model, plus sometimes there are paint-over the CG charas for posters and promos (there were some on Tangled sometimes, and there are some on the Frozen leaked poses I think (especially on some hair parts).
Sure Anna looks like Rapunzel and Elsa is not what most of you expected because everyone has this picture of this regal mature and cold lady as the Snow Queen unconsciously, but both sisters are great characters and the overall story is good believe me.
Last but not least, it's a typical Disney movie okay so please stay patient until things will be revealed by Disney and stay confident if you are a fan of Disney and fairytales.
And about the "uninspired" designs, don't you think that Paperman's characters are so common to what use to do Disney? Don't you think that Elowny, Ariel and Belle have the same face design? Not to mention all the characters from Disney animated features which were reused from the 60s or the 90s...and what about the Ghibli's characters? They look all the very same, but the stories, music, settings are so moving all compiled that you must love the characters in the end.
With CG, it's a bit complex and the production is so tight, and nearly every big studio designs their human leading ladies with big eyes, or thin lips and small nose ( Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs, upcoming Epic etc...). After all, Disney has its own style and Ariel and Rapunzel are some of the most popularized heroines in the heart of children and adults, so I don't have a problem with that even if I got your first negative feelings.
I'm pretty sure you'll love those sisters at the end of the year.

Thanks for the info.

[Disney's Divinity]

With CG, it's a bit complex and the production is so tight, and nearly every big studio designs their human leading ladies with big eyes, or thin lips and small nose ( Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs, upcoming Epic etc...). After all, Disney has its own style and Ariel and Rapunzel are some of the most popularized heroines in the heart of children and adults, so I don't have a problem with that even if I got your first negative feelings.

Ariel and Rapunzel are one thing, but I find it hard to believe that they'll still be as popular once there are 4 to 5 more characters who look just like them.

Still, whatever I think of Anna being a copy, I find Elsa's design to be worse. I didn't even expect her to be regal or like the design SuperAurora posted, but pixie-ish would never have crossed my mind. I wonder if it would look better on paper, considering 3D never seems to translate as well.

[Sotiris]

I visited the Hat Building this morning and Frozen is sledding right along. Beyond that, there are some shorts in work, and a second feature will go into production sometime around August.

So for the first time in a while, the studio will have two overlapping animated features in production. Which is a good thing.

Source: http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... oyant.html

[SWillie!]

THAT is great news.

[PatrickvD]

The success of Wreck-It Ralph must have triggered confidence in the studio.

I don't even remember the last time Disney outgrossed the season's competitive Dreamworks film by over $80 million domestically. Yes, Tangled beat Megamind, but this is a considerably bigger gap.

And I'm guessing Big Hero 6 is next. And I'm willing to bet the combination of Disney crossing over with an obscure Marvel property will result in a big hit.

But with King of the Elves shelved, I'm much more interested in what's next. I don't think we no anything, do we? I've read something about an Island theme, but that's it.

[Sotiris]

I'm much more interested in what's next. I don't think we know anything, do we? I've read something about an Island theme, but that's it.

Yeah, pretty much. The film will be directed by John Musker & Ron Clements, it will utilize the Paperman technique, and it will be a musical. We also know that the development team took a research trip to the South Pacific, and that the proof of concept for this project involved a Tiki guy.