Frozen: Part III

[Warm Regards]

Here is hoping we get something along these lines with the musical numbers...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxz-1QbSPyc[/youtube]

I don't understand what she's saying, nor do I understand the context.

But I love the beat and the ice skaters, so it's all cool.

[Disney Duster]

Yeah. I said it was an exception because the movie specifically said it was in France and If I remember correctly, it also has a specific time period too, (1700's) which France is a country by that point as oppose to just a land mass that held several separate kingdoms (like it would in Sleeping Beauty).

What I mean is Beauty and the Beast (which is indeed in the 1700's) could have had an imaginary kingdom within France even though France couldn't really have a seperate kingdom within its own kingdom.

[Super Aurora]

What I mean is Beauty and the Beast (which is indeed in the 1700's) could have had an imaginary kingdom within France even though France couldn't really have a seperate kingdom within its own kingdom.

But that makes no sense. And it sounds pretty bizarre too.

[Scamander]

We will get all Norwegian culture and such implicated in the movie and the city for us to be more than aware that this kingdom is in Norway. I bet you, that we will be seeing Frozen/Snow Queen Characters in Epcot's Noway section, just like Snow White is in Germany, Aurora and Cinderella in France, Aladdin in Morocco, Pinocchio in Italy etc. It never said what country they were in or located but the visuals in the movie were more than enough for us to tell the ethnic origin of that particular movie.

Wait, what? Really? The film is full of German symbolism, they gave both of the kings names of German origin which are really uncommon in other countries/ languages and then they put Aurora in the France section? What the hell?

[Sotiris]

The film is full of German symbolism, they gave both of the kings names of German origin which are really uncommon in other countries/languages and then they put Aurora in the France section? What the hell?

I guess they went with France because of Charles Perrault, ignoring the Brothers Grimm version and the Germanic iconography in the film itself.

Also, Cinderella is most likely set in Belgium, not France and Aladdin is set in Iraq, not Morocco. Both the earlier version of the film as well as the stage version that's coming to Broadway have Baghdad as the setting.

[SWillie!]

So, even though most us older fans may not be wildly fond of the teaser, I saw MU last night and it played before it, and it got some HUGE laughs. Especially the end when he sneezes his head off. So, I think it's safe to say that it's doing the job it was meant to.

[PatrickvD]

So, even though most us older fans may not be wildly fond of the teaser, I saw MU last night and it played before it, and it got some HUGE laughs. Especially the end when he sneezes his head off. So, I think it's safe to say that it's doing the job it was meant to.

I never even doubted that for a single second. It's really only the Disney fans who find their marketing incompetent. For the general audience, they've been doing just fine.

[Super Aurora]

The film is full of German symbolism, they gave both of the kings names of German origin which are really uncommon in other countries/languages and then they put Aurora in the France section? What the hell?

I guess they went with France because of Charles Perrault, ignoring the Brothers Grimm version and the Germanic iconography in the film itself.

According to Tim (PrincePhillipfan), He told me that most likely they took influences from both France and Germany so I guess it's more hybrid like and considering that at time of 1300's, it wasn't rule by countries but smaller kingdoms. So it is possible for it to be located along borders of France and Germany somewhere.

Also, Cinderella is most likely set in Belgium, not France and Aladdin is set in Iraq, not Morocco. Both the earlier version of the film as well as the stage version that's coming to Broadway have Baghdad as the setting.

Yeah I knew Cinderella is more likely Belgium than France too. But since There is no Belgium in Epcot, and people of Belgium do speak french, they most likely put her in France for that reason. Same thing with Aladdin. Since Morocco is the only islam country in the Epcot, They most likely put Aladdin there as it's the closest thing to middle east.

[SWillie!]

So, even though most us older fans may not be wildly fond of the teaser, I saw MU last night and it played before it, and it got some HUGE laughs. Especially the end when he sneezes his head off. So, I think it's safe to say that it's doing the job it was meant to.

I never even doubted that for a single second. It's really only the Disney fans who find their marketing incompetent. For the general audience, they've been doing just fine.

That's a really interesting relationship. Kinda dumb. I mean, if they're doing their job well, shouldn't we all be behind that? Rather than bashing it? I'm guilty too.

[qindarka]

I don't know about that. I've been to quite a few sites and reception to the teaser has been highly negative. Perhaps the internet crowd isn't very representative of the general public eitherbut it's hardly just hardcore Disney fans that are complaining.

On another note, I've actually managed to muster the courage to watch the teaser and found it to be ok. Sven didn't really remind me of Maximus, there is more behind the latter than simply acting like a dog. Sven seems to be more friendly and docile. Though if even PrinceKido who has access to much more information than I do thinks they act the same, perhaps that is the case after all.

[SWillie!]

While you're right that the internet crowd is larger than the hardcore Disney fan crowd, it's still a very small portion of the general audience, and especially the core demographic.

[Disney Duster]

What I mean is Beauty and the Beast (which is indeed in the 1700's) could have had an imaginary kingdom within France even though France couldn't really have a seperate kingdom within its own kingdom.

But that makes no sense. And it sounds pretty bizarre too.

Then no imaginary kingdoms within real places makes any sense. Do you think they are imaginary kingdoms that occur in real countries or imaginary kingdoms that just occur on planet Earth? And it makes no sense that there was no princess or queen Belle recorded in France's history.

[DisneyEra]

While you're right that the internet crowd is larger than the hardcore Disney fan crowd, it's still a very small portion of the general audience, and especially the core demographic.

I have no problem with Frozen's teaser, it's the release I don't agree with. The teaser should of been released on the WIR DVD this past March, not in late June with the lastest Pixar blockbuster. Had it been released in March, it would of been a great way to introduce Frozen to the mainstream. Most people have never even heard of Frozen til they saw the teaser earlier this week. Instead, all Disney did in the early months of this year is pull down leaks & acted like this film didn't even exist. It wasn't til May when Disney officially reconized Frozen & Big Hero 6, with that LA Times article. One thing I heard from other blogs is why does BH6 have a teaser but nothing for Frozen?

Another thing people don't like about the teaser is that it's not a true representation of the film. To the mainstream they think it's about Olaf & Sven. There's no sign of Anna/Elsa/Kristoff/Hans. I know WDAS is working OT trying to get this film ready for a Thanksgiving release, but Tangled & WIR went through the same thing. The only good thing is Disney finally released 3 CGI images of Anna/Elsa/Kristoff/Hans without pulling them. Could be months before we get a true trailer for this film, I hope with Planes & D23 this August 9, but if not then, then when? By far this the most controversial WDAS film in the modern era. I know BH6 won't go through this cause Marvel won't allow WDAS to do this to it's brand & the 2016 films will have ALL of 2015 to work/sort things out, like choosing a project for starters.

Til Disney releases an official trailer for Frozen, this will just continue.

[disneyprincess11]

^^ALL OF THIS

But, I really think the last trailer will come out in August because of PLANES. If the marketing is smarter than we think, they would release it in August, so people can take their kids to see it and be like, "Wow, this actually looks amazing!"

[frankf3]

Even though, I didn't mind the teaser, I do feel this should have been released much earlier. Usually a movie has 3 trailers to hype their movie. If I was working the marketing I would have done this:

Teaser trailer (exact one we got): Played before Wreck It Ralph OR Oz: The Great and Powerful

2nd trailer (show us plot and characters): Played before Monsters University

3rd trailer (final one to hype the audiences): Played before Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2 in September.

[disneyprincess11]

^^Agreed!

[Super Aurora]

But that makes no sense. And it sounds pretty bizarre too.

Then no imaginary kingdoms within real places makes any sense. Do you think they are imaginary kingdoms that occur in real countries or imaginary kingdoms that just occur on planet Earth? And it makes no sense that there was no princess or queen Belle recorded in France's history.

No I don't think you get what i'm saying. The reason it make sense to just give like say Aladdin, SB, Snow White, etc a fictional kingdom despite possibly happening in a real world location, is because of two things:

1. Despite the heavy implication of the location of where it could be, no modern day country is given to the place where they reside.
2. In cases like Aladdin, and sleeping beauty, at those times, there were no such thing as countries as we know of them in modern times. There were individual kingdoms with each have certain cultural and custom to it.

In BatB's case, a country and a time period was given in the movie and in 1700's modern day idea of countries as we know of them started to form about those times.


i'll explain more when you come over. Easier for me to do lol.

[Siren]

The teaser was very disappointing. It felt more like a Pixar animated short. I am sure the trailer will be better when it shows more of the story and main characters but never been a big fan of spotlighting sidekicks.

Also what little I see, it reminds me heavily of Tangled. I was hoping for a more unique looking character. She looks like Rapunzel with different colored hair. The caribou is very Maximus.

[Jules]

The caribou is very Maximus.

Everybody is using different words to refer to this character ... from caribou to reindeer to elk.

Let's just call him the dog and be done with it.

[Disney Duster]

i'll explain more when you come over. Easier for me to do lol.

We could see if we understand each other later, but I think there's an easy way to get each other now because we might forget when I come over. I would just ask "Where do you think, for example, Snow White takes place: an imaginary German influenced country, a kingdom with Germany's country, or Germany itself?"