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)I liked the new master. It was excellent. The linework ran as thin as can be without being *too* small. The colors jump off the screen. Depth, contrast, brightness is all good. The thumbnail for the disc on the PS3 uses the original colors( :roll: ). The DTS-HD MA soundtrack was heavily immersive and overall satisfying.

I'm soft about the 3D menu. Only the 2D animation looks awkward against it. Lumiere was *not* annoying, as I was going to do everything on the disc, anyway. And he tells you the weather.

I did feel as though a little more about the movie itself could have been talked about in the documentary, but that was a nice meal to consume. I suppose that's why it's called "Beyond "Beauty'"as it talks about more than the film.

The deleted opening should've had a little more in the "reasons it was changed/deleted department". a commentary would've been excellent.

The commentary is from the old DVD. To add insult to.......well, not "injury" per, se..........the music from the old blue castle logo is there with the WDAS logo.
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jpanimation wrote:Now hopefully people are done whining about my disappointment and are willing to give their own thoughts in the form of a report card.
Er... well...

Naaaaah, I'm not done yet.

You made a caricature out of my point. I was not asking for more bonus cartoons. I was just saying you got a shitload of bonus features on the dvd, all related somehow to the film. And I would kill for that.
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jpanimation wrote:Now hopefully people are done whining about my disappointment and are willing to give their own thoughts in the form of a report card.
How ironic- we thought you were the one whining.

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jpanimation wrote:Actually, I got through all the extras in about 2.5 hours, with about 75-80 of those minutes being junk unrelated to Beauty and the Beast (the shorts and Story Behind the Story crap). If you get the DVD, you're not missing out on anything important (a decent gallery and some worthless shorts that will eventually be released in their own set). Seriously, it looks like there is a lot but many of the features are just repeats that were renamed ("Alternate Opening" is the same things as "The Purdum Reel" and so on and so forth).

The whole release is disappointing, which is why I only rented it from the library.
Aren't people satisfied with *anything* anymore?! I mean, I would kill to own those Laugh O'Grams on DVD. (Well, maybe not kill... although... depends on whom I had to kill, but...) What's 'junk' to one man may mean the world to someone else. If Disney put THAT much bonus material on the sets of The Black Cauldron or The Great Mouse Detective, you would have seen me dancing in the streets. Now you get them on BatB and you go: "meh..."

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Ha- well, those 2 movies actually deserved special releases rich with this kind of archival content. Beauty and the Beast is the exact type of film that deserves the crappy kids' stuff, Disney Channel 'music stars' cover song videos, and retarded games. Oh, and commentary and whatever blah they aired on The Disney Channel to promote the film. A Diamond Edition for a Marble film.
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jpanimation wrote:Video: A+
Direct digital transfer from the original CAPS source in a more open aspect ratio. Looks better then ever. Any argument about color preference is not a fault with this gorgeous transfer.
But...I thought the only reason you weren't buying this...was because you thought the transer wasn't accurate enough?

And I thought they changed the CAPS files a bit (to make it look more "how they intended" as the transfer to film made it look darker than they wanted).
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Disney Duster wrote:But...I thought the only reason you weren't buying this...was because you thought the transer wasn't accurate enough?

And I thought they changed the CAPS files a bit (to make it look more "how they intended" as the transfer to film made it look darker than they wanted).
That is the reason I'm not buying it and they did change the CAPS files. I just don't feel alterations made by the directors should effect the rating I give the picture quality, as it looks exactly how they want it to look (whether we feel it looks good or not).
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Hey, Coolmanio, can we have the report card for the BATB Diamond DVD report card? It's been about a week and a half now. I want to move on now. I've got an idea for what to do next.
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Beauty and the Beast Diamond Report Card

Presentation: B+
Film: A
Video: A+
Audio: A
Extras: B+

Overall Grade: A- (85.8%)


Scoreboard:

1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: A (93.4%)
2. Beauty and the Beast Platinum: A-(88%)
3. Beauty and the Beast Diamond A- (85.8%)
4. Pocahontas A- (84.3%)
5. Bambi A- (83.6%)
6. Dumbo B+ (82.4%)
7. Mulan B+ (82.2%)
8. Princess and the Frog B+ (81.8%)
9. Peter Pan: B+ (78.4%)
10. Lion King: B- (78.2%)

Next is....... Lilo and Stitch: Big Wave Edition

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Oh and if anyone wants to make a request as to which one should be next, just PM me.
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Lilo & Stitch 2-disc Special Edition (Equivalent to 'Big Wave Nonsense')

Presentation: A

Nothing to complain here. The disc-art may not be spectacular, but it's nice enough and it's better than a grey disc, right? Some people on UD have complained about the cover, but I absolutely love, love, love it! I especially like the dark blue background. Even though Stitch is blue, too, it works very well.

Film: A

It's certainly in my top 10 of Disney films. It's also the only really great feature Disney has released in the 2000's, in my opinion. From the magical Hawai'ian music to the wonderful waterpaint backgrounds; and from the huge emotional impact of Lilo's dysfunctional broken family to the original characters, there's not a weak link in this film. It knows when to go for wacky humor and when to focus on the more dramatic storylines. Disney dared to do something different and it didn't shy away from controversial storylines, like the way Nani and Lilo interact; or Lilo's unconvential behavior. Another daring thing was to inject Elvis Presley into the mix. Because Disney didn't walk down the trodden path of the Broadway musical yet again, they made something unique and enjoyable.

Audio and video: A

No complaints here.

Bonus features: A++++

I was overwhelmed with the amount of bonus features on this dvd. It was even better than some Platinum Editions. If only Disney could do all dvd's like this one. I believe that only the 'Making Of' alone lasts for over two hours. It's a fantastic documentary, far more detailed than any other Disney has ever produced for their dvd's. Plus, this is also the most informative I've seen and also the most 'casual'. Unlike other Making Of-specials, footage of all participants aren't shot in a studio, but during everyday activities (Sanders riding his car, DuBlois with his dogs, Sluiter on a fishing trip).

It gives the documentary a very authentic and honest feel. It covers everything from Sanders and DuBlois' arrival at Disney to the premiére of Lilo & Stitch. Not one aspect is skipped. It also leaves room for some informal moments, like Sanders toying with his breakfast, or Sanders and DuBlois singing kindergarten songs while at work. It gives you the feeling you get to know these people a bit, and the feeling that you're there at the moment the events are taking place. That's also why I felt I could relate to them when their film was finally finished and released. Their project was over and the only thing left was a big black hole gaping at them. At least that's the impression I got from it.

Bonus points for the way they set up the Making Of, with chapters and 'footnotes', which took you to bonus features directly related to what had been discussed in the previous chapter. It includes a class on drawing Lilo by Andreas Deja; extensive model sheets comparing the characters to other Disney characters, in order to explain the style they were going for; pictures taken on the crew's trip to Hawaii; inspirational sketches from Sanders' scrapbook; deleted scenes; the imaginative teaser trailers and much, much, much, much more.

I wanna go watch it all again immediately. :D
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Coolmanio wrote:Oh and if anyone wants to make a request as to which one should be next, just PM me.
I can't PM you (or anyone). But I would like to do next the Pinocchio Platinum DVD.
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jpanimation wrote:
Disney Duster wrote:But...I thought the only reason you weren't buying this...was because you thought the transer wasn't accurate enough?

And I thought they changed the CAPS files a bit (to make it look more "how they intended" as the transfer to film made it look darker than they wanted).
That is the reason I'm not buying it and they did change the CAPS files. I just don't feel alterations made by the directors should effect the rating I give the picture quality, as it looks exactly how they want it to look (whether we feel it looks good or not).
I still don't get it, you're saying it doesn't matter if it looks good or not when it's what they wanted. So Beauty and the Beast is now how they wanted, how they originally intended it to look. So the reason you're really not buying it is because you would rather have how it looked in theaters first time around because you like that more? I would just keep the old one and buy the new one so I could have the original intention they want and the original theatrical one I like better. The new one is like "the real" Beauty and the Beast. Though I guess you could call the original theatrical version that, too, but I would say the newer one is more real, the real way it was supposed to be.
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More thoughts on the Lilo & Stitch dvd, please...
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Lilo & Stitch: Big Wave Edition / Special Edition

Film: A+
The best animated Disney film of the 2000s. To borrow what I said in "Is Lilo & Stitch a Disney movie?:

It has heart.

It has drama.

It has comedy.

It has richly-developed characters.

It has amazing animation.

It has wonderful character design.

It has a smashin' score.

It has a well-written story of redemption and acceptance.

It has villains who are not one-note, one-sided, or one-anything (except maybe one-eyed).

It has love.

It has lots of love, actually.

It has family.

It has family acting like family.

It is a damn fine film, regardless of the Disney name.

I could elaborate, but I'd be here too long.

Video/Audio: A

Excellent a/v quality, nothing to complain about.

Extras: A+ (Internationa) & A- (U.S.)

Goliath pretty much covered all the bases.

"The Story Room: The Making of Lilo & Stitch" is one of the best - and probably the best from Disney - documentary I've ever seen on the making of a film. You get to really know the people involved, instead of them just saying "We did this, then did that, there was this scene, and that voice actor, etc." It's very intimate and very real. About as close to being part of the film as one can get.

The Documentary Footnotes are also amazing as well, because they are excellent branching options (well, internationally, but I'll get to that later) that expand on the already extensive documentary. The Aladdin: Platinum Edition simplified that in a way, as the "main" documentary is 43 minutes (Producers / Music / Animation / Voice Actors / Made You Look) while the featurettes in each section adds an hour or so more. Even the Beauty and the Beast Diamond Edition does something similar with their "Beyond Beauty" experience. But with Lilo & Stitch, because it's a recent film, and the supplements are all basically *during* filming (as opposed to the "sit down in a fancy studio, get some make-up thrown on, wire up the mic, check the lights, and just talk" interviews), there's a LOT more that is said and shown, and again, gets you as close to being a part of the film as possible.

For the rest of the world, the footnotes are accessible either in branching from the documentary, or in an index. And for the U.S., they stupidly didn't include the branching option after each chapter (I think mainly because of the dumbass decision to keep delaying the two-disc set, that when we finally got it, they changed it so that option wasn't used anymore). As a result, you get an index of extra featurettes that are still good, but without the context of "what part of the documentary were they branching from for this?" Hence my different grade for the US. Without the branching option, to someone unaware of how it was intended to be seen, you just get extra featurettes, which really serves better when in the context of the actual documentary.

But overall, the supplements for Lilo & Stitch are easily among the best Disney has ever produced on DVD. It came during a time when Disney released a fair amount of A+ supplements (Atlantis: The Lost Empire is another fine example, and up until I bought the 2-disc Lilo & Stitch last year, I always considered it the best DVD that Disney ever made) on a few films, though they were still generally underwhelming on a majority of them. To date, there hasn't been a Disney home media release that has ever topped Lilo & Stitch in terms of the quality of the extras and the right-there-with-them aspect of making the film.

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Wow. You guys have really got me wanting that Lilo and Stitch DVD. I saw it for the first time a few months ago...what a surprising gem it was!
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Escapay wrote:"The Story Room: The Making of Lilo & Stitch" is one of the best - and probably the best from Disney - documentary I've ever seen on the making of a film. You get to really know the people involved, instead of them just saying "We did this, then did that, there was this scene, and that voice actor, etc." It's very intimate and very real. About as close to being part of the film as one can get.
What I wanted to say.
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Film
Well, probably the best Disney animated film of the 2000s, beating The Princess and the Frog a bit. Stuff like Atlantis tried to say "oooh, let's break the formula and look cool" but ultimately tried too hard and wound up looking contrived and as though Disney was desperately searching an audience. Lilo and Stitch, however, is just an unpretentious film, full of heart and soul, warm characters and pleasant imagination. It does start a bit slow, but not in a boring sense. It's a childs' storybook come to life, and Chris Sanders' styling is gorgeous, while still recognisably Disney. The spirit of Hawaii is there, as is Disney magic. Screw the Disney purists who insist that Disney can only be set "once upon a time in a land far away" and have nothing to do with science fiction (a very childlike and fresh approach to it, as well). This 'aint no stinker. ;)
Grade: A-, maybe A

Cover art:
I do prefer the original DVD cover, as it opted for single scene as opposed to floating heads/multi-scenes. Needless to say, not all that bad for a cover anyway. It still captures the mood of the film. Very good use of blue.
Grade: B

Video/Audio
Very good.
Grade: A

Extras:
Easily one of the best DVDs Disney has ever produced, due basically to the documentary. It's very a in-depth attempt done there and then (kudos for whoever's idea it was to film practically everything along the way), where you get to know the people working on the film reasonably well. I honestly can't think of what they may have left off.
Grade: A+
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Lilo & Stitch: 2-Disc Special Edition
Presentation: A
Film: A+
Video/Audio: A+
Extras: A+
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Lilo and Stitch Big Wave Edition Report Card

Presentation: A
Film: A
Video: A
Audio: A
Extras: A+

Overall Grade: A (90.2%)


Scoreboard:

1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: A (93.4%)
2. Lilo and Stitch: Big Wave Edition: A (90.2%)
3. Beauty and the Beast Platinum: A-(88%)
4. Beauty and the Beast Diamond A- (85.8%)
5. Pocahontas A- (84.3%)
6. Bambi A- (83.6%)
7. Dumbo B+ (82.4%)
8. Mulan B+ (82.2%)
9. Princess and the Frog B+ (81.8%)
10. Peter Pan: B+ (78.4%)
11. Lion King: B- (78.2%)

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Pinocchio: Platinum Edition

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Pinocchio: Platinum Edition

Note: I only own the DVD version, not the Blu-Ray version, so this is only for the former

FILM: A-
Just awesome! It's quite a bit of an upgrade from the pitiful-looking "Gold Collection" release in 2000 and even the "Special Edition" of 2003, released overseas. It looks so natural. I don't care what those people think that the quality looks too good, too perfect, that it didn't look like this even when it was first released. True, they did err (perhaps accidentally) on the omission a few small snippets of dialog by Jiminy Cricket during "Give a Little Whistle", and that slightly docks the film's grade, but that's just a small thing, because the whole movie is just great. Kudos to Walt and his staff for kicking it up a notch with this one after "Snow White". Plus, I just plain love the movie, period. As for watching it, I never bother just wading through the previews and go to the movie directly. Instead, I go straight to the menu and watch it from there, thereby bypassing everything except the FBI warning and the Disney DVD logo sequence. Thus, I have never seen the anti-smoking PSA supposedly on this DVD.

COVER ART: B+
This one here looks quite dazzling, yet also is a bit lacking, especially considering how when the film was rereleased to theaters, more often than not, they would try to pack in as many of the characters from the movie as possible onto the movie posters that advertised them. But here, the only ones we have are Pinocchio, Jiminy Cricket, Geppetto, Figaro, the Blue Fairy and Monstro. Where are Honest John and Gideon? Or Stromboli? But that's just me. And it looks very blue.

VIDEO/AUDIO: A
With the exception of the aforementioned omissions of lines of dialog by Jiminy during "Give a Little Whistle", it's just superb.

EXTRAS: B (this one here is quite long, so get comfortable)
Things are a bit basic here, but there's good news and bad news. First, I'll get the bad news out of the way (hence, the grade it gets), on what it does have and what it doesn't have. One thing that they had on the overseas 2003 DVD that is absent here is the "I'm No Fool" series with Jiminy Cricket, as seen on the Mickey Mouse Club. They could have at least included a bonus on Jiminy's career after "Pinocchio" (similar to the bonus on Tinker Bell on the "Peter Pan" DVD), because he did have one, and a good one at that. They also don't have any Figaro shorts, either (the little kitten became both a pet of Minnie Mouse and a foil for Pluto here). There is also lacking a posters gallery. Even "Peter Pan" had that. I also thought it would be neat to have a look at the movie in the Disney parks (walkaround characters, the Pinocchio dark ride, etc.). And considering the extensive usage here of the multiplane camera, I also think that re-reusing that footage from the 1957 Disneyland episode "Tricks of Our Trade" on the camera (used on the old "Snow White" and "Bambi" DVDs) wouldn't have been out of line here.

Okay, enough rambling on about what's absent. Let's gripe about what they do have. Actually, there's not all that much there to gripe about. One thing is the quasi-obligatory teenybopper music video that, like clockwork, sorely makes a mockery of the song they're doing. In this case, it's Meaghan Jette Martin of "Camp Rock" fame's rendition of "When You Wish Upon a Star". I just plain don't touch that one with any length of pole. Also, there's a Pinocchio Puzzle game that is super easy, yet is also quite long and tedious to get through, having to wait for long stretches at a time to pick the next piece. See? I told you it was short.

Okay, now that the bad news on the extras is out of the way, let's move onto the good news. Everything else is superb. The commentaries during the movie (both visual and audio), deleted scenes, the live-action references, the galleries, everything! I particularly liked how they had a few (if not all) of the trailers from the film's releases over the years, including the original 1940 trailer, which is the only bonus on the old GC DVD. I also liked "No Strings Attached", which is about the making of the film. The Sweatbox bonus was good, too; very insightful as to how they did things at the studio (even though the person trying to sound like Walt didn't quite get it down). And the bonus on "Geppettos of the World" was good, too. On the deleted scenes front, I especially liked the alternate scene inside Monstro, where Figaro and then Geppetto are so starved that they almost try to eat Cleo. The galleries are cool, too, and even the deleted song "Honest John" was a nice treat.

Okay, I'm rambling again here. So you see, this DVD is not perfect in the bonus department, but what it does have is just great.

And thus concludes my review of the Pinocchio Platinum Edition DVD.
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Movie:
The most awesome movie ever? It's up there at least. ;)
A+

Video:
The 1990s VHS (and the first DVD) had a lovely warmth about it, but it ultimately was probably not what was exactly intended. The 2003 international DVD had generally fine yet ultimately rather sterile video; I'm not one to complain about colours, but that was an example of problematic colour timing, as everything had a washed out, almost yellowy green tint. This release however, really improved on the previous releases; it had a warm, golden feeling to it, yet still felt clear and well balanced. All I could complain is that it seems to defy its film-based origins and looks like it came off the CAPS system, but I won't get steamed up too much over a lack of grain. :p
A

Sound:
Overall fine, but loses some points due to the missing dialogue in "Give a Little Whistle". :|
B-

Extras:
Well, it's the standard Platinum Edition mash-up; commentary, making-of, serious animation feature (The Sweatbox), fluff feature (toy makers), reconstructed deleted scenes, a deleted song, galleries, games and a bland teeny bopper music video. Generally good, but it all could have been pushed a little bit further. It would have been good to have had some "I'm No Fool [insert activity]" stuff, as well as something touching upon the later careers of Jiminy Cricket and Figaro. Greater analysis on the pre-Jiminy version of the film would have been nice, but from watching the film, I'm guessing that they simply made Pinocchio less crass and inserted Jiminy in and around scenes already developed (hence why he's sometimes just a spectator, or has somehow lost Pinocchio). I think that Pinocchio hasn't had as huge an impact on the Disney theme parks as Alice in Wonderland or Sleeping Beauty, so no reference on the film's theme park ties isn't the end of the world. So overall, it could have been better, but it'll do.
B, maybe B+
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Pinocchio: Platinum Edition

Presentation:

Normally, I don't care for covers, but I'm still confused as to why they decided to have Attack of the 50 Foot Puppet and the title card off-center. Otherwise, it's a nice cover.

Film: A-/B+

I've got a love/like/indifferent relationship with this movie. Most of the time, I enjoy it to bits and eagerly watch it whenever I can. Other times, I enjoy it, but feel underwhelmed and tired by the end of the film. Overall, it's a film that I'll enjoy, and enjoy even more if I'm in the right mood. I don't watch it as often as, say, Aladdin or Dumbo. What I love most about the film is that Pinocchio is essentially clean slate, and it's his experiences that help define him. It speaks to all of us, because it's our experiences that shape who we are, and how we choose to react to them. While it's nice to believe in the whole "we'll all inherently good or evil", the concepts of good and evil are just that, concepts. It's how we act that defines us, and that's based on what happens around us. He's very much a product of his environment. Had he been given to a lonely old hermit who lived deep in the woods with no threats to his livelihood, Pinoke would probably be a very boring little wooden boy. But the adventures he has because of all the "wrong" choices he makes will help make him a real boy.

Video/Audio: A

For the longest time, the only reference copy I had was a VHS from the early 90s (not the actual release, but a dub of it with Sleeping Beauty and Bambi on the same tape), and the 1999 DVD didn't look any better. I actually held on to that DVD even after I bought the Platinum, then decided to finally sell it this year since I had no use for it anymore (audio issues notwithstanding). But anyway, the new restoration is a marvel to watch. Of course, some people have issues with it (I need only mention candlelight), but that's just more griping of the faded-VHS-and-faded-memories variety. The audio does have some legitimate issues, but it generally doesn't bother me anymore, which is why I finally decided to sell my old DVD.

Extras: A (Blu & DVD Extras) & A+ (Blu-Exclusive)

The commentary (and Cine-Explore option on the Blu-Ray) is excellent. Much better than the praise-fest that was used on Sleeping Beauty (I still prefer the 2003 commentary). This was the first Cine-Explore I actually watched, and really enjoyed it. Every animated feature should have this, I honestly don't know why they didn't bother making one for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (the budget must've gone to all the bells-and-whistles interactivity of the second disc), Beauty and the Beast (well, that comes with the WiP in PiP, so that's probably why), or Fantasia (which initially would've had an interactive Schultheis Notebook playable with the film). Oh well, at least there's Dumbo and Alice in Wonderland to look forward to.

I was über-excited when the BBFC classifications came in for this film because it said we got an hourlong documentary (well, 56 minutes, but what's 4 minutes?). I was a bit upset that there wasn't a "Pinocchio that Almost Was" feature to cover the first version, but the deleted scenes we got were okay. The featurette/recreation of the "Sweatbox" experience was good, definitely could have gone on longer. I didn't mind the fluffiness of the toymaker featurette, especially since it eventually amounted to a plug for the WALL-E toy. There could have easily been some additions that others have mentioned (retrospectives on Jiminy & Figaro, and their cartoons). One of my favorite features is the maquettes for Pinocchio, and the ability to watch a short video showing a turnaround of them.

The Blu-Ray games are exciting, but probably only playable a few times. I didn't have the patience for the DVD games, though I played them anyway just out of courtesy to the game designers. But I doubt I'll ever play them again.

I haven't watched the music video. Don't intend to.

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