EscapayStill not done with the news. Universal has also announced that it's going to be re-releasing Back to the Future: The Complete Trilogy on 1/25 at the new low price of just $27.98. The good news about this is not just the price - the set will contain the V2.0 discs, featuring corrected aspect ratio versions of the films. So if you haven't picked it up yet, there's never been a better time. Click here to read more on this from our friends over at BTTF.com.
Back to the Future V2?
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Back to the Future V2?
I read this at The Digital Bits, and to be honest, I have no idea what V2.0 discs are. Was there something wrong with the first release aspect ratio? Can anyone clue me in?
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From what I gather, a few shots in Part II are misframed either up or down a little bit from what they should be. It's minorly annoying, but far less annoying than trying to track down V2 discs or sending in for replacements that may never come. From what I read anyway. I'd recommend forgetting about it, and simply enjoying Back to the Future Part II for all its mind-bending glory!
This is okay/good news for those who haven't picked up the Trilogy yet, but how have they lived the past two years without it?!
This is okay/good news for those who haven't picked up the Trilogy yet, but how have they lived the past two years without it?!
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The Back To the Future movies being standart widescreen 1.85 movies, were shot on Academy cameras (open matte) but as you know effects on movies are sometimes done in hard matted widescreen. In the case of Back To the Future II, I remember the SFx shots (not only the sci fi model work etc but even any shot with 2 Marty mcFly's on it, etc) were edited/transfered on some kind of analog? HDTV 1.77 video system for the film cus whenever a sfx shot appeared the image went fuzzier than the rest of the 35mm film and looked just like a better higher resoution videotape to film transfer than regular tv derived ads and the corners of the hard mattes were round like the usual ads transfered from videotape to film instead of square film ones.
Sooo the 4:3 video versions of the movie would have the non sfx live action sections open matte and the sfx sections pan scaned. I think when they did the BTTF II DVD they either took as guide a 4:3 transfer and hard matted everything from 1.375 to 1.85 (including the already pan scanned sfx shots) or that in going from the different aspect ratios 1.66/1.78/1.85 posible framings to 16:9 DVD they misframed the true center of the sfx shots using the top (or the bottom?) frameline of the wrong ratio or something. What happened was that people compared their correctly framed Widescreen Laserdiscs with the DVDs and they saw the misframing (or just noticed the framing was weird) and complained. (I think i have on my HD some comparison shots somewhere..) Universal said there would be a represing and that those that bought the misframed disc could exchange them with a return program. The problem was that that was years ago and they aparently never recalled the old misframed versions in the US so they are still in stores and you always had to return the disc to Universal to get the correct ones. (I think Canada was luckier and they did get v2 boxes with stickers on them to diffrentiate.) And now they seem to have finnaly redone it correctly here.
Now if you want to talk horror pressing stories, I think in Europe they have v.3 versions! They corrected the misframings but then when you got your v2 replacement discs through the mail they were too dark or something so they had to do the disc warp again! (mmm makes me wonder if they are getting a rerelease over there too but with the correct v.3s)
I never bought the DVDs and was thinking, mmm i'll wait till the Blu ones arrive (Back To The Future III was one of the sharpest 35mm projections i've ever seen) and I won't have to worry about misframed returnable DVDs at all.
Guess what. Universal chose hd-dvd??
Keeping the highest quality dvd standart reputation alive ehh Universal?
too bad for all those Hichtcock and Universal Classic Monster movies too
and hey, will you have space left in your lower capacity hd-disc to finally include the original Oscar winning MONO Jaws soundtrack this time???
Sooo the 4:3 video versions of the movie would have the non sfx live action sections open matte and the sfx sections pan scaned. I think when they did the BTTF II DVD they either took as guide a 4:3 transfer and hard matted everything from 1.375 to 1.85 (including the already pan scanned sfx shots) or that in going from the different aspect ratios 1.66/1.78/1.85 posible framings to 16:9 DVD they misframed the true center of the sfx shots using the top (or the bottom?) frameline of the wrong ratio or something. What happened was that people compared their correctly framed Widescreen Laserdiscs with the DVDs and they saw the misframing (or just noticed the framing was weird) and complained. (I think i have on my HD some comparison shots somewhere..) Universal said there would be a represing and that those that bought the misframed disc could exchange them with a return program. The problem was that that was years ago and they aparently never recalled the old misframed versions in the US so they are still in stores and you always had to return the disc to Universal to get the correct ones. (I think Canada was luckier and they did get v2 boxes with stickers on them to diffrentiate.) And now they seem to have finnaly redone it correctly here.
Now if you want to talk horror pressing stories, I think in Europe they have v.3 versions!
They corrected the misframings but then when you got your v2 replacement discs through the mail they were too dark or something so they had to do the disc warp again! (mmm makes me wonder if they are getting a rerelease over there too but with the correct v.3s)I never bought the DVDs and was thinking, mmm i'll wait till the Blu ones arrive (Back To The Future III was one of the sharpest 35mm projections i've ever seen
) and I won't have to worry about misframed returnable DVDs at all.Guess what. Universal chose hd-dvd??
Keeping the highest quality dvd standart reputation alive ehh Universal?
too bad for all those Hichtcock and Universal Classic Monster movies too
and hey, will you have space left in your lower capacity hd-disc to finally include the original Oscar winning MONO Jaws soundtrack this time???
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to the format and back <-_
ok I got them. Here's a couple.
On the left is the original 1.85 Projector Aperture aspect ratio. On the right is the misframed 1.85 dvd aspect ratio:
For example, if you look closely on the bottom one on the misframed one you don't get a sense that what Doc is gonna do is pull the thing to adjust Marty's sleeves cus you can't even see his sleves are too long.
On the top one you don't see the enviroment /background that Marty is in too well (He's getting out of the pond and leaving the disaster area after the attack behind) (and maybe blow drying his hair at the same time too by pressing a button on his right hand?)
At least that's what i think is happening on the left. Haven't seen the movie in a while
You get a better sense of this by looking at my piccie in a larger size
Anyway, these are the perils of getting the "correct" numerical aspect ratio (both are 1.85) but not the correct 100% Projector Aperture.
It's not hopeless, and i'm sure that there are some theaters that can be so screwed they could show it like this (I for a fact fixed one theater that was worse than this once) but it's not the original photography neither.
In this case it was a misframing/transfer error. In other DVDs it might be a zooming in to get closer to the action or more detail in a low resoution format like DVD or the wrong negative format or something similar (like in Sleeping Beauty/Ben Hur etc) but ''keeping" the abstract numerical ratio that "sounds" correct to the consumer/videophile. What I sometimes call corporate fear of aspect ratio
On the left is the original 1.85 Projector Aperture aspect ratio. On the right is the misframed 1.85 dvd aspect ratio:
For example, if you look closely on the bottom one on the misframed one you don't get a sense that what Doc is gonna do is pull the thing to adjust Marty's sleeves cus you can't even see his sleves are too long.
On the top one you don't see the enviroment /background that Marty is in too well (He's getting out of the pond and leaving the disaster area after the attack behind) (and maybe blow drying his hair at the same time too by pressing a button on his right hand?)
At least that's what i think is happening on the left. Haven't seen the movie in a while
You get a better sense of this by looking at my piccie in a larger size
Anyway, these are the perils of getting the "correct" numerical aspect ratio (both are 1.85) but not the correct 100% Projector Aperture.
It's not hopeless, and i'm sure that there are some theaters that can be so screwed they could show it like this (I for a fact fixed one theater that was worse than this once
) but it's not the original photography neither.In this case it was a misframing/transfer error. In other DVDs it might be a zooming in to get closer to the action or more detail in a low resoution format like DVD or the wrong negative format or something similar (like in Sleeping Beauty/Ben Hur etc) but ''keeping" the abstract numerical ratio that "sounds" correct to the consumer/videophile. What I sometimes call corporate fear of aspect ratio
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On Home Theater Forum they have a whole guide on how to replace your discs. I called for a mailer which took about a couple days to arrive, then sent them off. It took about a week for them to come back to me. The movie looks much better now. Those shots that were FUBAR'ed really mess up some things. Especially the shot that was just shown. Totally ruins the sight gag.
The first movie is okay, it's just the second and third that were messed up.
Here's a link to the page:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... did=140414
If you payed money for these DVDs, you deserve a product that's not defective.
The first movie is okay, it's just the second and third that were messed up.
Here's a link to the page:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... did=140414
If you payed money for these DVDs, you deserve a product that's not defective.
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Just checked the BttF site and they have this new article:
December 06, 2004
“The Complete Trilogy” coming again January 25, 2005 — and cheaper
But is V2 set moratorium bound 4½ months later?
Universal City, Calif. — Over two years after its initial release, Universal Studios Home Video will re-release Back to the Future™ - The Complete Trilogy on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at a new low price of only $27.98 SRP.
Universal's upcoming "OUTTA TIME" (sic) promotion tagline touts "Three Great Comedies — Two Favorite Characters — One New Low Price!", however, warns consumers to purchase the collection before it disappears — it'll be available only through Monday, June 6, 2005.
The collection will apparently be placed on moratorium after that date, presumably paving the way for another collection to be issued later in the year to commemorate the series' 20th Anniversary. While no official word has yet to have been given in regards to a new collection, Universal representatives outside the U.S. have reportedly been hinting to international fans that a special edition for the first Back to the Future film is being planned for release sometime during the second half of 2005.
Expect no announcement regarding any such collection though until well after the "OUTTA TIME" promotion has run its course early next year. Given the current promotional plans, it's highly doubtful that an announcement would come before the third quarter of '05.
As to whether the January promotion of Back to the Future™ - The Complete Trilogy will finally see the fabled "V2" replacement discs for the sequels to be made commercially available, I'm happy to report that consumers can finally breathe a sigh of relief.
A representative at USHV tells BTTF.com that they will indeed be manufacturing and shipping the V2 product to retail. However, we were alerted to the fact that some of the older product ("V1") will without a doubt enter the distribution cycle during the normal course of returns from retail and reorders, so consumers concerned about the version they are purchasing will finally be able to visually verify the presence of "V2" on the barcode sticker on the back of the box. Of course, if a V1 product is still purchased but V2 is preferred, Universal's toll free number (888-703-0010) is still active for providing these replacements.
December 06, 2004
“The Complete Trilogy” coming again January 25, 2005 — and cheaper
But is V2 set moratorium bound 4½ months later?
Universal City, Calif. — Over two years after its initial release, Universal Studios Home Video will re-release Back to the Future™ - The Complete Trilogy on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at a new low price of only $27.98 SRP.
Universal's upcoming "OUTTA TIME" (sic) promotion tagline touts "Three Great Comedies — Two Favorite Characters — One New Low Price!", however, warns consumers to purchase the collection before it disappears — it'll be available only through Monday, June 6, 2005.
The collection will apparently be placed on moratorium after that date, presumably paving the way for another collection to be issued later in the year to commemorate the series' 20th Anniversary. While no official word has yet to have been given in regards to a new collection, Universal representatives outside the U.S. have reportedly been hinting to international fans that a special edition for the first Back to the Future film is being planned for release sometime during the second half of 2005.
Expect no announcement regarding any such collection though until well after the "OUTTA TIME" promotion has run its course early next year. Given the current promotional plans, it's highly doubtful that an announcement would come before the third quarter of '05.
As to whether the January promotion of Back to the Future™ - The Complete Trilogy will finally see the fabled "V2" replacement discs for the sequels to be made commercially available, I'm happy to report that consumers can finally breathe a sigh of relief.
A representative at USHV tells BTTF.com that they will indeed be manufacturing and shipping the V2 product to retail. However, we were alerted to the fact that some of the older product ("V1") will without a doubt enter the distribution cycle during the normal course of returns from retail and reorders, so consumers concerned about the version they are purchasing will finally be able to visually verify the presence of "V2" on the barcode sticker on the back of the box. Of course, if a V1 product is still purchased but V2 is preferred, Universal's toll free number (888-703-0010) is still active for providing these replacements.
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Aw damn, so now I gotta get replacement discs. Thanks for the info everyone (especially the caps, deathie. I never noticed it before when watching II and III).
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I bought this when it first came out and the whole fiasco about the misframed came 3 weeks after and Universal offered a replacement program the misframing was on BTTF II and III. So I sent both disc back to Universal and I got the V2.0 disc 2-3 weeks after! this V2.0 is long overdue! Universal said it was going to be available Jan 04! Liars!
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Yeah, I can see how a thing like that would ruin your life...MickeyMouseboy wrote:I bought this when it first came out and the whole fiasco about the misframed came 3 weeks after and Universal offered a replacement program the misframing was on BTTF II and III. So I sent both disc back to Universal and I got the V2.0 disc 2-3 weeks after! this V2.0 is long overdue! Universal said it was going to be available Jan 04! Liars!
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no it didnt ruin my life.Loomis wrote:Yeah, I can see how a thing like that would ruin your life...MickeyMouseboy wrote:I bought this when it first came out and the whole fiasco about the misframed came 3 weeks after and Universal offered a replacement program the misframing was on BTTF II and III. So I sent both disc back to Universal and I got the V2.0 disc 2-3 weeks after! this V2.0 is long overdue! Universal said it was going to be available Jan 04! Liars!
but i did get new discs hehehe just kinda pissed the people has been buying this misframed set when universal said they were going to take care of it at the beginning of this ending year. a year after..........-
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So that set they came out with, that had the whole series, has messed up scenes on it? So they are reissueing it? Dang now I will have to buy it again. 
Oh well, Ebay here we come! 
You think they would sample the DVD out before releasing it.
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Toy Story Girl wrote:So that set they came out with, that had the whole series, has messed up scenes on it? So they are reissueing it? Dang now I will have to buy it again.
no you dont! just call universal so they can give you the addy for the replacement program! it's free!
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I was just about to say the same thing. I would think you still can exchange the misframed discs for free through Universal without having to put your box set on eBay and having to buy a new one.
Oh and while you're at it tell them to abandon ship (the hd-dvd ship) and switch to Blu-Ray
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Okay I guess I will try that program thing. It would be a shame to get rid of that box set! I haven't seen the second movie in awhile so I didn't notice the frames being weird.
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