I'd like everyone to read this (Rant on Enchanted Christmas)

Skullfarmer · Post by **Skullfarmer** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:08 pm

Would you just read the paper already?

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:29 pm

If it weren't so long, yes.

And the summary turned me away from reading the paper. If that much hate/filth can be summed up in such a nasty way, I wouldn't want to subject myself to reading it tenfold.

Escapay

Skullfarmer · Post by **Skullfarmer** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:38 pm

C'mon, it's not that long....my Contemporary Film prof gave it an A...

pinkrenata · Post by **pinkrenata** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:50 pm

Skullfarmer wrote:But that's what Forte IS-an emasculated homosexual pedophile! Haven't you
ever studied Freud?

I never knew that Freud defined homosexual pedophiles as pipe organs that bear an uncanny resemblance to Tim Curry. How extraordinary!

Skullfarmer · Post by **Skullfarmer** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:54 pm

pinkrenata wrote:
Skullfarmer wrote:But that's what Forte IS-an emasculated homosexual pedophile! Haven't you
ever studied Freud?
I never knew that Freud defined homosexual pedophiles as pipe organs that bear an uncanny resemblance to Tim Curry. How extraordinary!

Hear that? That's the sound of my point sailing over your head.

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:36 pm

Skullfarmer wrote:
pinkrenata wrote: I never knew that Freud defined homosexual pedophiles as pipe organs that bear an uncanny resemblance to Tim Curry. How extraordinary!
Hear that? That's the sound of my point sailing over your head.

See that? That's my eyes rolling at someone who can't take a joke.

Just Myself · Post by **Just Myself** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:52 pm

i know banned people, and trust me Skullfarmer, you are going to be one of them if you keep this ranting and bitching at people over a DTV Cheapquel.

BTW Escapay, these are my eyes rolling at his joke missing prowess too.

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:03 pm

Just Myself wrote:i know banned people, and trust me Skullfarmer, you are going to be one of them if you keep this ranting and bitching at people over a DTV Cheapquel.

BTW Escapay, these are my eyes rolling at his joke missing prowess too.

LOL, referring to He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named-Otherwise-The-Thread-Gets-Locked?. Also, don't you just love the rolling eyes emoticon?

BTW JM, I love your Complete Savages plug. Wish it was doing better in the ratings, though, otherwise it'll just be another one-season flop on the new TGIF.

Escapay

Just Myself · Post by **Just Myself** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:09 pm

Escapay wrote:
Just Myself wrote:i know banned people, and trust me Skullfarmer, you are going to be one of them if you keep this ranting and bitching at people over a DTV Cheapquel.

BTW Escapay, these are my eyes rolling at his joke missing prowess too.
LOL, referring to He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named-Otherwise-The-Thread-Gets-Locked?. Also, don't you just love the rolling eyes emoticon?

BTW JM, I love your Complete Savages plug. Wish it was doing better in the ratings, though, otherwise it'll just be another one-season flop on the new TGIF.

Escapay

No, I am one at two other forums. *shrug*

BTW thanks for the compliment

StitchExp626 · Post by **StitchExp626** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:14 am

I agree with some of the points raised in your very long discussion on the Enchanted Christmas DTV release. Like you Skullfarmer I have watched the original video and now the DVD release of Beauty and the Beast many times; at least fifty times and I have always found it very moving. So I can appreciate how important the movie is to you and to many of us.

I think that many also have been less than thrilled with the overall quality of the sequels, eg new characters, less than strong storylines and often below par songs. You provide an insight into the subliminal sexual subtext of some of the characters in the sequel, such insights are frequently used in discussing various types of literature, eg the works of Charles Dickens, with a young character called Master Bates!!!!!

However as Escapay points out this analysis could be applied to many of the Disney films, eg look at various theories that have been expounded about the relation between Aladdin and the Genie for instance.

We can overly analyze these cartoons, many do and that is why they want them banned. There are many interest groups that do not want movies that advocate a world view that is even slightly different from theirs and these are the are the ones that are very vocal in wanting a number of Disney productions banned. Again The Lion King, a big outrage over suggested cloud formations spelling out an undesirable word!!!! I think that you would agree that these reactions are over-reactions.

You and I both do not think highly of The Enchanted Christmas. However to suggest that all copies should be destroyed is also an over reaction. We do have the power of choice in what we see, like buy etc. We may not like a sequel, but we can not base a dislike on the subtext, otherwise the argument would have to apply to most movies and not just DTV sequels. We can not dislike a sequel because of continuity problems, we know that it is simply impossible to correlate the passing of time between Maurice going in search of Belle until the time that Belle finds him cold and lost in the woods. But we allow some licence with this problem, although this was the reason why the song Human Again was dropped, as it would show even greater amounts of time passing, and poor old Maurice lost in the wood for months!!!! Also most sequels have this problem, no mention of Ursula having a sister in the original, no mention of Scar selecting his heir in the original and no mention of Aladdin's preoccupation with his Father in the original etc etc. Yet we allow these continuity issues to be forgotten in order to enjoy (or not) the new narrative that is being presented.

Utimately it comes down to our own likes and dislikes. There is nothing wrong with simply saying that the Enchanted Christmas is in your opinion terrible and not worth watching. There is no need to have to back it up with some psychological analysis of the animated characters. Just as we don't like it, there are others, especially the younger age group who do enjoy it. So, Skull, keep enjoying the original and don't worry if Disney makes hundreds of inferior sequels. It does not matter, it in no way diminishes the integrity of the original characters that you love. The important lesson, that the original movie tells us, is that we need to have a level of goodness inside, this is why the beautiful enchantress turned the young man into the Beast. It is only when he finds this love inside does he become fully human. Instead of being overly angry, I think that you should focus more on the positive qualities that you have inside.

Interesting thread and hopefully you will have also broadened your vision and thoughts through having this dialogue with everyone who has posted.

Take Care

Kevin

JiminyCrick91 · Post by **JiminyCrick91** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:24 am

Just Myself wrote:i know banned people, and trust me Skullfarmer, you are going to be one of them...

that is just what i was thinking.
also to you "Skullfarmer" i am only 13 but i have read your hysterical
rant before and i have found it to be complete tripe! i also find that you have a blateint disregard towards the great Tim Curry!

and to you "sir" i wish a good day.

Post by **Luke** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:55 am

Nice eloquent response, Kevin! Let's see if Skullfarmer treats you with a customized put-down the way he has everyone else.

Skullfarmer · Post by **Skullfarmer** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:16 am

Jiminy, are you kidding? I hold Tim Curry in high regard-he was brilliant
in CLUE and NATIONAL LAMPOON'S LOADED WEAPON 1; he has great
comic timing and I respect him.

toonaspie · Post by **toonaspie** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:22 am

Perhaps if you made your own webpage with piccies and all for your long rant, the more people can be compelled to waste their time on it...

We know it sucks, okay? Everyone knows about the plotholes. They're as bad as Cinderella 2 and all.

How about you make a website devoted to ranting on the worst Disney sequels ever made? I would so visit it!

JiminyCrick91 · Post by **JiminyCrick91** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:30 am

Skullfarmer wrote: Jiminy, are you kidding? I hold Tim Curry in high regard-he was brilliant
in CLUE and NATIONAL LAMPOON'S LOADED WEAPON 1; he has great
comic timing and I respect him.

i am sorry but i find that your discrping of his batb:ec chaerter to be somewhat offenceve towerds fans of tim curry (ie. as i have enjoyed evey thing he has been in i took offenceve)[/quote]

Tom in North Carolina · Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:50 am

Skullfarmer wrote:Whatever...

Geez!! Were you born this uptight, or did you have to work at it??

Tom

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:08 pm

Skullfarmer wrote:Whatever...

Just because my views are different to yours, I don't believe in attatching Freudian labels to people, I have studied Freud over the past couple of years, not in great depth but I still am able to come to my own conclusions and on the whole I disagree with most of what he says, and like Escapay says you cannot define a person by one of their personality traits. People's Lives, feelings and emotions can't just be worked out and categorised on a table, we are all different we can't be 'pigeonholed'.

If you have a different view that is fine, but don't dismiss my comments with 'whatever' just because you disagree!

Just Myself · Post by **Just Myself** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:21 pm

Skullfarmer, to put it nicely: We don't give a rat's ass.

JiminyCrick91 · Post by **JiminyCrick91** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:40 pm

thank you!

i mean somebody had to say it.

Skullfarmer · Post by **Skullfarmer** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:12 pm

Would that rat be Mickey or Minnie?

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