Sequels

bluemoon86 · Post by **bluemoon86** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 4:30 pm

I have a list of Disney Movies with sequels rumored to be in the works

Snow White: This will follow Snow White the Prince and their 13 year old daughter Rose as they along with Dopey who try to rescue the other 6 dwarves from the wicked queens sister

Hercules: Willl have a new villan named Paris and involve something about the Trojan war also Hercules and Meg have a daughter named Hebe

Dumbo:No Info As Of Yet

Bambi: No Info

Mulan: 2 sequels in the works the first will be released around febuary

thats all I have sop far Ill post more when I here more

Post by **Luke** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 4:39 pm

Welcome to the forum.

Just a couple of things to point out...

Mulan III has not moved beyond the rumor stage and the last update from Ming Na was that there were no plans for a third film to be made.

Dumbo II was planned, but has either been halted or scrapped altogether.

Bambi and the Great Prince will likely be coming in February 2006. That's in production, with some talented Disney animators at work on it, and we'll be getting our first look at it on the upcoming Bambi DVD. In addition to Mulan II, Lilo & Stitch II, Tarzan II and The Emperor's Newer Groove are expected to be out before 2005 is done.

bluemoon86 · Post by **bluemoon86** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 4:56 pm

Thanks for clariffying and for the welcome

Marielle · Post by **Marielle** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:19 pm

I still can't believe they're planning on doing a Bambi II. That film is way too classic and wonderful to make a sequel of.

Lumiere · Post by **Lumiere** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:31 pm

i can't wait to see hercules and mulan sequels!!

i am going to rent Mulan II next weekend, here in mexico is already on sale!!!

bluemoon86 · Post by **bluemoon86** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:43 pm

your lucky, here in the US we have to wait till febuary for Mulan II I cant wait to see it

Isidour · Post by **Isidour** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:28 pm

well, I strongly recomend you to buy--but just for try--a bootleg copy.

It´s something than I have been forced to do because of the "great" decition of Disney Mexico of re-dubbing the movies, so I first buy a bootleg, if I like it, I buy the Original DVD; if not, well, I give away the bootleg.

I know than it´s a way to "make grow" the illegal market, but I´m not all richie and aall-money-mighty to buy a DVD than I don´t know if I´ll like or don´t.

Or you would?

Sh00tingstar · Post by **Sh00tingstar** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:48 am

i think its despicable to contribute to the illegal copying of anything.

its the same as downloading a song for free, or for that matter stealing.

just like poaching, when the buying stops, the killing does too. and thats what your doing, giving your money to theifs and making profit off somebodys work.

i hate sequels as much as the next disney lover, but that doesnt mean some artist hasnt slaved away and put their love into a project.

let me put it this way. would you rather support and artist and a company who has provided you with generations of entertainment? or would you rather support a crimminal, who provides you with stolen goods for a cheaper price?

Isidour · Post by **Isidour** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:01 am

Hi:

well,for the US, Disney have been all-marvelous and good but here in México not.

First of all on the distribution, we don´t have a lot of the specials and golds editions.Buy it by internet? No sir, the legal backup is none, so the Internet shoppings only are secure if the seller wants it.
Maybe buy the importation copyes...well, the DVD than usually cost $14 dlls, whit all the charges here is almost on $50 or $55 and that for some is very expensive for a movie.

"But hey...they´re your memories and your childhood strories..." well, nop. Many have a Dubbing than it´s totally diferent to the original picture, It´s like you saw first a Tarzan whit a Colin Farrel voice and then whit a Gollum voice(and I´m not overreacting).

It´s true what you say about the "artist work whit all their heart" and "instead of helping make profits to an ilegal seller" but if Disney is the All-goodie company it say it is why not be it on all the world and not just in the US?

or I ask you, would you buy a very expensive movie knowing than you risk to a very crapy dubbing, to don´t have the originally voices, to see this movie when you also know than the draws quality is very poor if you compare it whit the original?

I´m not saying than what I do it´s good, I just say than I have to do this to value if Disney it´s still being worthy

Sh00tingstar · Post by **Sh00tingstar** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:45 pm

okay put it this way.

disney (the coporation) ,may say, hell, why bother with exporting to mexico when its so plauged by ilegal copies. we wouldnt make any money that way, its not worth the investment.

or maybe you could start a petition to get better rights as a consumer from disney.

its better than supporting a crimminal market.

toonaspie · Post by **toonaspie** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:25 am

at one time, there was an idea for a Fox and the Hound sequel crossed over with a Dumbo sequel. I remember that Dumbo 2 synopsis involved Dumbo and these circus animals who were lost in the forest after their circus train got stranded

bluemoon86 · Post by **bluemoon86** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:50 pm

toonaspie wrote:at one time, there was an idea for a Fox and the Hound sequel crossed over with a Dumbo sequel. I remember that Dumbo 2 synopsis involved Dumbo and these circus animals who were lost in the forest after their circus train got stranded

That sounds interesting disneys never done a crossover before(have they?)
too bad they abandoned the project(at least thats what Im assuming since you said "at one time"

Ciaobelli · Post by **Ciaobelli** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:19 pm

They just can't make sequels to Bambi and Snow White, please no. I know its happening though.

Imagine if they made a sequel to Casablanca or Gone with the Wind.

Isidour · Post by **Isidour** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:30 pm

Hi:

I agree

A sequel of Bambi is just simply a clearly and very despicable action than shows than this cheapquels are made just to get more and more money.

I hope this end with firing that "great" and "marvelous" person the one who I shall not speak his name--only think on it disgust me-- and is running on the "big chair" of Disney

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:06 am

Ciaobelli wrote:They just can't make sequels to Bambi and Snow White, please no. I know its happening though.

Imagine if they made a sequel to Casablanca or Gone with the Wind.

They did. To both of them. TV series.

Casablanca
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047719/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084994/

Gone With The Wind
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108915/

You're all making out Disney is doing something new (which it's not, see the 1955 Casablanca entry) or different (which it's not - films have been sequelled for years and years).

Look at how Universal's smash hit Frankenstein slowly went down the tubes in the 40's, until he ended up being nothing more than a straight man for Abbott and Costello. People forget that the Original Frankenstein was the box office phenononem of it's time, generating untold box office returns. (It was most certainly bigger than Bambi in its time). And they even managed to make 2 decent sequels before the rot set in (the second film often being cited as improving on the original).

Sequels can work, sequels have been happening since film was invented, and Bambi II could be an exceptional film. Why not just wait and see it before complaining?

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:50 am

2099net wrote:Sequels can work, sequels have been happening since film was invented, and Bambi II could be an exceptional film. Why not just wait and see it before complaining?

You've hit the nail on the head in every which way there, Netty.

There have been some exception sequels made to exceptional films, and there have been some shockers. It is not new.

If we hadn't given sequels a chance, we wouldn't have Empire Strikes Back, Goldfinger, The Godfather Part II, Spider-man 2, The Good The Bad & The Ugly, etc. If people had just dismissed those as a "despicable action" (Isidour) or horrid, then we would have missed out on some of the great films of our time.

I'm not saying Bambi 2 will be brilliant, but I'm not willing to dismiss it as crap either. I'll wait and see.

However, there have been cases where follow-ups have been a bad thing. The Star Wars prequels. "Evil Lucas Lyes. Horrible Nightmare Star Wars Episode 3."

Belle's Magical World. Speed 2. Return of Jafar. Yes, quite bad - but are we really going to hold that against all sequels in perpetuity?

Isidour · Post by **Isidour** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:59 am

Hi:

I know than it have been many good sequels as you mentioned 2, also there´s Shrek 2, The Lord of the rings: The two towers(which is actually the continue of the story, not a sequel) and many others.

When I talked about sequels on the past posts, I was refering to the Disney ones, not all in general

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:46 am

Isidour wrote:Hi:

I know than it have been many good sequels as you mentioned 2, also there´s Shrek 2, The Lord of the rings: The two towers(which is actually the continue of the story, not a sequel) and many others.

When I talked about sequels on the past posts, I was refering to the Disney ones, not all in general

Yes, but while a track record of poor to average Disney sequels in the past indicates that Bambi II will also be average of worse, it doesn't take into account that (generally) the quality has been improving with each release.

It also doesn't take into account the (illogical?) demand for Mickey's Three Musketeers to get a theatrical release, when it was also just a DisneyToon production. It also doesn't take into account that Disney scrapped plans for a CGI Bambi II because they were not happy with the quality or they scrapped their plans for Dumbo II because they were not happy with the story (showing that Disney do increasingly care about their DTVs).

Put it this way, most of the music charts these days is filled with crappy dance cover versions of hits from the 60s, 70s and 80s or inane bland teenage artists. But it doesn't automatically follow that because of this, all chart music is poor, or all future chart music will be poor.

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:18 pm

Isidour wrote:Hi:

I know than it have been many good sequels as you mentioned 2, also there´s Shrek 2, The Lord of the rings: The two towers(which is actually the continue of the story, not a sequel) and many others.

When I talked about sequels on the past posts, I was refering to the Disney ones, not all in general

To add to 2099s comments, and my own, I was using other sequels as an example because people were referring to movies like Casablanca or Gone with the Wind, and sequels to them being unimaginable (despite the fact that they have been made).

My point was: wait and see.

Yes, there have been some dud sequels from Disney - Belle's Magical World and Return of Jafar being the most duddish - but there has also been some great work (Lady & the Tramp 2, for example). It is unfair to dismiss any sequel simply because the first film was a "classic" and therefore these sequels should not be made. My non-Disney examples were there to show that classic sequels can be made to classic films, even if the public might have been questioning whether anything could top the original.

As I have said once before, most "classic" Disney films are based on "classic" stories, and many would argue there was no need for a Disney musical of The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast or Snow White in the first place (in fact, many purists still object to 'Disneyfication'). In essence, Disney have been "remaking" old stories for 70 years, and sequels are merely continuing that tradition.

Nobody complains about a Spider-man sequel, but Disney puts one out "Evil Eisner! He is a money grubbing bastard!".

bluemoon86 · Post by **bluemoon86** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:31 pm

Wow you made some really great points

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