WDFA and CHicken Little problems

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:48 am

http://www.o-meon.com/pages/business_of ... 09-04.html

So it looks like Chicken Little might not be the sure fire hit Disney was hoping for! I seems like Disney've done it again and ended up witha film that has already goen into animation when they haven't even got the story sorted!

Why am I not surprised?

Jens · Post by **Jens** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:07 am

Relax. This article is probably correct but they probably are behind those problems already. And it's no big deal anyway... Look at Aladdin, they had loads of problems with that movie and it turned out to be one of Disney's greatest!

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:13 am

Jens wrote:Relax. This article is probably correct but they probably are behind those problems already. And it's no big deal anyway... Look at Aladdin, they had loads of problems with that movie and it turned out to be one of Disney's greatest!

I agree, and nobody ever mentiones the problems Pixar faced with Monsters Inc. If I'm not mistaken that movie had some drastic story changes. And now, it's a classic.

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:17 am

PatrickvD wrote:I agree, and nobody ever mentiones the problems Pixar faced with Monsters Inc. If I'm not mistaken that movie had some drastic story changes. And now, it's a classic.

Well I wouldn't go that far!

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:22 am

ichabod wrote:
PatrickvD wrote:I agree, and nobody ever mentiones the problems Pixar faced with Monsters Inc. If I'm not mistaken that movie had some drastic story changes. And now, it's a classic.
Well I wouldn't go that far!

well, the point is that almost every animated movie has a difficult production, it's not always as fun as the "making of" will try to make us believe, where everyone is gathered around to talk about how magical it was and how it changed their lives,

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:41 am

Jens wrote:And it's no big deal anyway... Look at Aladdin, they had loads of problems with that movie and it turned out to be one of Disney's greatest!

Yeah, but Jens, the shoe can go on the other foot too. Three words: The. Black. Cauldron. So much was cut out and so much was changed that it ended up a very disjointed movie (which is hard for me to admit as it's one of my favorites). It was supposed to bring BACK Disney Animation (which is why it was released 4 years after Fox and the Hound, cause they kept tinkering with it), but it was a box office bomb.

Escapay

Jens · Post by **Jens** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:05 am

Escapay wrote:Yeah, but Jens, the shoe can go on the other foot too. Three words: The. Black. Cauldron. So much was cut out and so much was changed that it ended up a very disjointed movie (which is hard for me to admit as it's one of my favorites). It was supposed to bring BACK Disney Animation (which is why it was released 4 years after Fox and the Hound, cause they kept tinkering with it), but it was a box office bomb.

Escapay

I agree, but as I am a Disney fan I will always think positive and not negative when I have the choice

I CAN think it will bomb, but I won't

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:27 am

Jens wrote:I CAN think it will bomb, but I won't

Maybe that's why Home on the Range didn't do as good as it could've. I kept saying to Kram, "IT'S GONNA BOMB! IT'S GONNA BOMB!"

Escapay

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:50 am

I agree that all animated movies, including those as Pixar, go through story problems while in production. However, I think "don't worry about it" is going a little too far.

Yeah, it may not turn out to be a total mess of a movie, but CL doesn't sound too promising. Not only has FA's creativity been quite low lately, but Stainton doesn't sound like he's creating is good environment for the film to be made in - it sounds like more of a business "get things done" type of place than a truly creative one (which I believe Pixar is; that is why their films have been turning out so well).

Even then, I'm not sure if everything that article says about Stainton is true. He's portrayed as an idiot who's on the verge of a panic, which seems a little over-the-top. However, I do believe that he is in no way a positive influence for FA, and he should be replaced if the moral of the animators is that low.

Jens · Post by **Jens** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:55 am

It's all about expectations... If you go being all negative about it people around you won't be as excited for the movie too... So try to be positive! Come one, we're Disney fans! I agree that we must see things critical, but I don't see anything that should be critisized yet!

We always have certain expectations (mostly positive) for Pixar movies, and therefore we mass visit the theatres to see them... Untill now they never seemed to fail, but the expectations also have a lot to do with the success of a movie.

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:28 am

Jens wrote:So try to be positive! Come one, we're Disney fans!

Jens, UD's eternal optimist!

I'll try not to be so negative about Home on the Range (I haven't even seen it yet)...

Escapay

Jens · Post by **Jens** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:48 am

I don't care if non-Disney fans are rather negative about Disney movies that aren't released yet (altough they do irritate me to some level), but I think Disney fans should be a little more positive... I mean, why else are we Disney fans? I don't see the point in being a Disney fan when you are negative about all future movies? But that's just my humble opinion

reyquila · Post by **reyquila** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:57 am

Jens wrote:I don't care if non-Disney fans are rather negative about Disney movies that aren't released yet (altough they do irritate me to some level), but I think Disney fans should be a little more positive... I mean, why else are we Disney fans? I don't see the point in being a Disney fan when you are negative about all future movies? But that's just my humble opinion

I agree with you 100%. Moreover, I love Emperor's New Groove and if Chicken Little is having problems as well, I'm sure the result will be excellent. When you are dealing with stories, budget and studios, problems will arise. The important thing is to sort them out.

Paka · Post by **Paka** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:03 pm

To me, "Disney fan" is quite appropriately conditional. "Fan" does not mean "blind follower", in my opinion. True fans know when to say no, they know when the company's gone too far, and they know when to withdraw their support if they simply don't like what's going on. It's simple common sense and instinct, versus silly unconditional love. To use an old rhetorical question, if Disney jumped off of a bridge, would you, too?

Jens · Post by **Jens** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:14 pm

I'm not saying Disney fans should all blindly follow everything Disney does... I'm just saying that if we keep acting like this there will be no difference between Disney fans and regular non-Disney fan people (or even critics). If it comes so far that we are already critisizing a Disney movie before it's out, I'm not sure if we're heading the right way...

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:09 pm

Jens wrote:I'm not saying Disney fans should all blindly follow everything Disney does... I'm just saying that if we keep acting like this there will be no difference between Disney fans and regular non-Disney fan people (or even critics). If it comes so far that we are already critisizing a Disney movie before it's out, I'm not sure if we're heading the right way...

I'm not trying to be smartass, but I honestly don't understand what you're talking about. What do you mean "if it comes so far"? How is it "so far" to express one's worries about a film that is being reported on as having problems in the production? I don't think that's such a stretch. And saying "I'm not sure if we're heading the right way..." makes it sound like we're a big group of people who are always being negetive, which is quite the contrary.

Jens · Post by **Jens** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:34 pm

Jack wrote:What do you mean "if it comes so far"? How is it "so far" to express one's worries about a film that is being reported on as having problems in the production? I don't think that's such a stretch. And saying "I'm not sure if we're heading the right way..." makes it sound like we're a big group of people who are always being negetive, which is quite the contrary.

Well, we're Disney fans... I'm not saying we should blindly follow Disney but some of us are being negative about almost everything that is being released these days or in the future (Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas, Mulan II, Chicken Little, ...) and I don't think that really is something fans of ANYTHING should do.

Take this example: You're a fan of Amy Grant and a new album is being released of her. Would you be the first to spread the news that it will suck? I don't think so... You're a fan of hers, so you should be the first to stick up for her. This is just the same.

Jack wrote:And saying "I'm not sure if we're heading the right way..." makes it sound like we're a big group of people who are always being negetive, which is quite the contrary.

I didn't want to make it sound like that but lately all I see here is negative critism on Disney movies that aren't even released yet... Maybe that's why I posted "we".

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:49 pm

I think people who are being critical of Disney's unreleased films only want to express their concern over the quality of Disney's products and the legacy of animation. But that's fine, right? I think we all know where everyone stands on Disney's current situations. In my opnion it is only fair to expect quality from a company like Disney. I actually think Chicken Little will be pretty good. I liked the trailer better than the Cars teaser, surprisingly.

Jens · Post by **Jens** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:43 pm

What PatrickvD said

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