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Hey Joe, it still beats Brother Bear (2099net, stirring it up! )
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Not only "Brother Bear" but "Home on the Range" and "Atlantis" as well.2099net wrote:Hey Joe, it still beats Brother Bear (2099net, stirring it up!
Hehehehe! Anyway, it seems "Shark Tale" will do very well in theaters, which is going to prove executives for once and all that they were right ("CGI is the best"). Unfair, isn't it? Even if the traditional films are much better than the CGI ones, they are still the ones that get bad hype (I haven't seen "Shark Tale", I'm only reflecting the critics' opinion).
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/ch ... =40&p=.htm
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You're welcome for the review, Indy and Luke! It indeed feels like a fishy Wiz. 
It indeed feels like a fishy Wiz. Yeah, I was thinkin' that ST would probably get a sizable haul this weekend anyway - at the very least due to its "screen saturation" (4,016 theatres! O_o). I wouldn't be at all surprised if it dropped by 60-something percent next weekend, though. Still, it'll probably have an Antz-sized gross (moderate but not phenomenal) when all is said and done, and that's all the studio execs care about. Da money.Joe Carioca wrote:Anyway, it seems "Shark Tale" will do very well in theaters, which is going to prove for the executives for once and all that they were right ("CGI is the best"). Unfair, isn't it? Even if the traditional films are much better than the CGI ones, they are still the ones that get bad hype (I haven't seen "Shark Tale", I'm only reflecting the critics' opinion).
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$49 M is pretty repulsive for such a poorly-reviewed film. Maybe people do just want to see CGI? In any event, this will be forgotten by the time <i>The Incredibles</i> comes out.
"Fifteen years from now, when people are talking about 3-D, they will talk about the business before 'Monsters vs. Aliens' and the business after 'Monsters vs. Aliens.' It's the line in the sand." - Greg Foster, IMAX chairman and president
Well, it won't be forgotten. In fact, it's "success" will put the share price up when Dreamworks Animation releases its IPO later this year.
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The Incredibles will probably gross at least $10 million more in its opening weekend than Shark Tale did. I'd also be shocked if it didn't have better legs.Just Myself wrote:I bet Incredibles will be better, but have the same opening. The ad campaign has been horrendous (except for the first and last trailers, kinda funny considering there was 16 months in between them).
I mean really, look at those legs...
"Fifteen years from now, when people are talking about 3-D, they will talk about the business before 'Monsters vs. Aliens' and the business after 'Monsters vs. Aliens.' It's the line in the sand." - Greg Foster, IMAX chairman and president
I think Mr. Incredible and his family are going to fry the hip-hop fishes in a skillet. 
My predictions for The Incredibles:
Opening Weekend: $75
Domestic Total: $290
My predictions for The Incredibles:
Opening Weekend: $75
Domestic Total: $290
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Yeah, well - according to some pansy "focus groups" that DreamWorks previewed the film for, the Sharkslayer title was "too violent".Jungleprince_55 wrote:I saw the movie today.
Why was the name of the movie changed?,Sharkslayer Sounded Better.
So they changed it to the mind-numbingly dull and generic Shark Tale.I swear, what is wrong with people these days?! More and more things are being labeled "offensive" - I mean, do people (especially in this backwards country called the United States) even have somewhat of a spine anymore? Or a brain? Geez.
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I went to see this with my parents yesterday, and we were pleasantly surprised. I had heard a couple of bad reviews about it, but it looked mildly amusing and better than pretty much everything else in October. I went expecting some Will Smith humor and not much else, but I thoroughly enjoyed the movie upon seeing it.
I would give it a 4/5 stars for seeing it the first time, and it will probably slide to a 3 or a 3.5/5 rating as the timeliness diminishes.
There is a lot to like about this movie that the previews do not or cannot show, and the sharks were brilliant. If Dreamworks keeps its DVD standards like they have been, this should be worth a rental or a buy to just about any animation fan.
It's fine if people do not want to see this because they did not like the trailer, but don't knock it if you haven't seen it. Also, don't go in expecting Finding Nemo because the goals, tones, characters, and many other things are completely different.
I would give it a 4/5 stars for seeing it the first time, and it will probably slide to a 3 or a 3.5/5 rating as the timeliness diminishes.
There is a lot to like about this movie that the previews do not or cannot show, and the sharks were brilliant. If Dreamworks keeps its DVD standards like they have been, this should be worth a rental or a buy to just about any animation fan.
It's fine if people do not want to see this because they did not like the trailer, but don't knock it if you haven't seen it. Also, don't go in expecting Finding Nemo because the goals, tones, characters, and many other things are completely different.
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Well, I made this comment a couple of months ago:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... =ant#68899
After reading Paka's review and some of the other member's comments I think it would still be my comment if i watched the film
I'll prefer to save up the money for The Incredibles DVD
Hey we might even get AMAZINGS TALE from Dreamworks soon after
(i do like the non CGI look Dreamworks animations a little bettah)
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... =ant#68899
After reading Paka's review and some of the other member's comments I think it would still be my comment if i watched the film
I'll prefer to save up the money for The Incredibles DVD
Hey we might even get AMAZINGS TALE from Dreamworks soon after
(i do like the non CGI look Dreamworks animations a little bettah)
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Well, I saw Shark Tale this past Thursday and...
I gotta wonder what movie Lindsay saw.
This film is funny. Granted it's no Shrek or Nemo, it's still a funny movie. It's a kids movie, so maybe the fact that I'm a kid has something to do with it.
Oscar wants to be a somebody, but since his job is a tongue scrubber at the local Whale Wash, that's hard to do. His best friend, Angie, has a secret crush on him, but Oscar's too thick to realize that. When the mob sharks start changing the rules, Oscar's boss, Sykes, demands that Oscar give him all the money he's advaced into get rich quick schemes by 24 hours. When Oscar doesn't pay up, Sykes and his jellyfish goons leav him for dead.
The mob boss of the sharks, Don Lino, is grooming his two sons to take over running the reef. Frankie is a pure lean, mean, killing machine shark, but Lenny has a soft side. He can't bear watching a poor, defensless creature be eaten(Watch Dreamworks try to make success with a small character again with a shrimp that Lenny frees from being eaten). Frankie shows Lenny how to be a real shark by trying to get him to eat Oscar, dangling in a field- uh, dropoff. When Lenny tries to free him, Frankie goes after Oscar, gets hit on the head with an anchor and dies. Everyone is shocked to see the big shark on campus's son dead, so Oscar, trying to become a somebody, takes credit for the kill. After a very bleak opening, it all goes uphill from here.
Like I said earlier, Shark Tale is no Finding Nemo. But it is still a funny movie with a good message about acceptance(though Dreamworks really needs to get off this moral, it should have been dropped after Shrek 2 ). Unfortunatley, it will probably fade away in a couple years like Antz has(ANOTHER Dreamworks film about acceptance ), but for now, it's gonna be remembered for 2 things: 1. That it was good and made money, and 2. Because seeing Martin Scorsessee playing a wannabe pufferfish is really funny.
Shark Tale 7/10
I gotta wonder what movie Lindsay saw.
This film is funny. Granted it's no Shrek or Nemo, it's still a funny movie. It's a kids movie, so maybe the fact that I'm a kid has something to do with it.
Oscar wants to be a somebody, but since his job is a tongue scrubber at the local Whale Wash, that's hard to do. His best friend, Angie, has a secret crush on him, but Oscar's too thick to realize that. When the mob sharks start changing the rules, Oscar's boss, Sykes, demands that Oscar give him all the money he's advaced into get rich quick schemes by 24 hours. When Oscar doesn't pay up, Sykes and his jellyfish goons leav him for dead.
The mob boss of the sharks, Don Lino, is grooming his two sons to take over running the reef. Frankie is a pure lean, mean, killing machine shark, but Lenny has a soft side. He can't bear watching a poor, defensless creature be eaten(Watch Dreamworks try to make success with a small character again with a shrimp that Lenny frees from being eaten). Frankie shows Lenny how to be a real shark by trying to get him to eat Oscar, dangling in a field- uh, dropoff. When Lenny tries to free him, Frankie goes after Oscar, gets hit on the head with an anchor and dies. Everyone is shocked to see the big shark on campus's son dead, so Oscar, trying to become a somebody, takes credit for the kill. After a very bleak opening, it all goes uphill from here.
Like I said earlier, Shark Tale is no Finding Nemo. But it is still a funny movie with a good message about acceptance(though Dreamworks really needs to get off this moral, it should have been dropped after Shrek 2
). Unfortunatley, it will probably fade away in a couple years like Antz has(ANOTHER Dreamworks film about acceptance ), but for now, it's gonna be remembered for 2 things: 1. That it was good and made money, and 2. Because seeing Martin Scorsessee playing a wannabe pufferfish is really funny.Shark Tale 7/10
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C'mon, Jack, Spirit SUCKED ASS!!!Jack wrote:Yes, they can. Look at stuff like The Prince of Egypt and Spirit. Admittedly,they don't quite reach most of the Disney or Pixar fare, but at least they tried to artistically tell a story.PatrickvD wrote: I doubt it...
Shark Tale is a shallow attempt at being 'hip' and bringing the teenage crowd into theaters and making loads of cash. Personally, I don't give it any artistic merit at all, from what I've seen.
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I'm just especially hard to impress though, Chris. I don't have a personal vendetta against ST just because it's DreamWorks, or because it's CG. I really tried to watch the film objectively, but it just failed to deliver, for me. Sure there were a few funny moments, but rarely was a joke a creation of its own. The film is just too saturated with pop culture humor, as well as - like I said earlier - adopting a "black" style and sensibility rather shamelessly. Too many times I saw a joke coming before it started, and a lot of those jokes almost seemed to have a neon arrow pointing them out as a joke. They were trying too hard. Sure, it works for the Average Joe, pretty much - but for those of us that have seen it all before, or for those that can appreciate subtlety - we're left feeling almost insulted.
Ebert also pointed out something in his review that I thought was quite true - the story is too "adult". The main character has adult problems and (banal) adult aspirations. There's nothing there that young kids can latch onto, save the obnoxiously bright colors and funny faces of Will Smi... pardon me... Oscar. The characters also have dangerously long periods of doing nothing but talking to each other - a real animation "no-no" if I've ever seen one. A lot of the young kids in the audience I saw ST with got restless and jittery during these times - suffice to say, it was annoying to me, trying to actually watch the film.
Call me a critic, though. I'm more on the side of the curmudgeonly, hard-to-impress film critics that rated this a collective 33% fresh than I am on the side of the easy-to-please masses. ST may do well monaterily, but in my opinion, it's depressing to see the animation industry held afloat these days by middling market-tested crap like this. e_e
Ebert also pointed out something in his review that I thought was quite true - the story is too "adult". The main character has adult problems and (banal) adult aspirations. There's nothing there that young kids can latch onto, save the obnoxiously bright colors and funny faces of Will Smi... pardon me... Oscar.
The characters also have dangerously long periods of doing nothing but talking to each other - a real animation "no-no" if I've ever seen one. A lot of the young kids in the audience I saw ST with got restless and jittery during these times - suffice to say, it was annoying to me, trying to actually watch the film.Call me a critic, though. I'm more on the side of the curmudgeonly, hard-to-impress film critics that rated this a collective 33% fresh than I am on the side of the easy-to-please masses. ST may do well monaterily, but in my opinion, it's depressing to see the animation industry held afloat these days by middling market-tested crap like this. e_e
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Just got back from seeing this, and I wish I had saved my money like Deathie Mouse. My thoughts are pretty much in line with Paka's on this one. I really hoped this would be a good movie, but the humor in this movie was not at all funny to me since it has been done to death elsewhere. The funniest part to me was the frustrated sushi chef, but it sounded like I was the only one in the theater to get the joke.
On top of this, I found that I never really cared about any of the main characters in this movie, especially Oscar. I didn't find anything redeeming in this character. He seemed to me to be a superficial jerk with questionable ethics, which would have been fine to start out with, but I didn't see much growth in the character as the film went on. I suppose he did change a bit at the end, but it seemed too little too late. Lenny was okay, but Jack Black's portrayal really got on my nerves, which I didn't expect going in. Angie was probably the best-realized character in the movie, but she was not enough to save this movie. Now this doesn't mean I want characters to be perfect. Far from it. Some of my favorite heroes in film were the most flawed. However, it's hard for me to become involved in a film if I do not give a rip about what happens to any of the characters.
In case anyone's wondering, I don't feel this way about this movie because it's DreamWorks. I liked the two Shrek films, and I believe Prince of Egypt is highly underrated. I'll admit that I'm not a big fan of Katzenberg's, but I always try to separate the artist from the art (though it's a bit of a stretch calling Katzenberg an "artist").
On top of this, I found that I never really cared about any of the main characters in this movie, especially Oscar. I didn't find anything redeeming in this character. He seemed to me to be a superficial jerk with questionable ethics, which would have been fine to start out with, but I didn't see much growth in the character as the film went on. I suppose he did change a bit at the end, but it seemed too little too late. Lenny was okay, but Jack Black's portrayal really got on my nerves, which I didn't expect going in. Angie was probably the best-realized character in the movie, but she was not enough to save this movie. Now this doesn't mean I want characters to be perfect. Far from it. Some of my favorite heroes in film were the most flawed. However, it's hard for me to become involved in a film if I do not give a rip about what happens to any of the characters.
In case anyone's wondering, I don't feel this way about this movie because it's DreamWorks. I liked the two Shrek films, and I believe Prince of Egypt is highly underrated. I'll admit that I'm not a big fan of Katzenberg's, but I always try to separate the artist from the art (though it's a bit of a stretch calling Katzenberg an "artist").
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Umm... did you even bother to read the entire paragraph I wrote under that statement?Just Myself wrote:I didn't notice ANYTHING adult in this... especially compared to Shrek, which has sex and drug jokes and language. This, I thought, was squeaky clean.
I don't mean "adult" as in "hide the children" adult. I mean it as in "mature" adult. Adult problems, like money, jobs, status in life, relationships, etc. Oscar is an adult with adult dreams. How the hell are kids going to relate to this stuff, barring the superficial visual aspects of the film to keep their attention? But I suppose the film is aimed more at adults, anyway... since all of the story's references are films from the '70s, it seems.Paka wrote:...the story is too "adult". The main character has adult problems and (banal) adult aspirations. There's nothing there that young kids can latch onto, save the obnoxiously bright colors and funny faces of Will Smi... pardon me... Oscar.