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I was going to post in an old thread, but I thought it was worth creating a new thread for the next mainline entry. Long post ahead!

There was a 'leaked' world list recently. While that always happens with every KH game, I'm actually leaning toward this one being real. The higher number of worlds as well as the inclusion of Radiant Garden sound like a response to KH3 not having many worlds and the lack of the Final Fantasy characters, and I know from past experience that Square Enix tend to respond to criticism and feedback to an almost absurd extreme sometimes. Disney's the same way these days, they almost take a criticism and go way too far the other direction to the point they create an opposite problem. :lol:

I always felt like Quadratum would probably be an opening interlude (that is perhaps returned to in the finale) so that tracks. TP&TF, Zootopia, and Moana feel like natural advertisements for Tiana / the Splash Mountain makeover, Zootopia 2, and Moana 2 (even though the former series got canceled, they were probably far along in development by that point). WALL E, Coco, Brave, Inside Out, and The Incredibles all feel realistic to expect, especially with IO2 just out and Incredibles 3 / Coco 2 on the way; the first four of those tie into what little we know about the story fairly well, too, I think. Same with WIR and even Hercules, since one of the things they haven't included from Hercules so far--aside from a trophy cup in 2--are the Fates and 4 seems like an appropiate time to show them. (Since other things seem like a response to criticism 3 received, hopefully the tournaments return in 4. Fingers crossed! Wouldn't mind seeing the Muses, too, and maybe a newgen version of a Hydra boss battle the same way the Titans finally got proper iterations in 3.) And Star Wars doesn't make me so angry since it's just one world of many, like TRON was. Speaking of TRON, it would be a miss if they didn't somehow have him appear in Radiant Garden or WIR. Plus, TP&TF, Brave, and Moana can all tie into the "new" Princesses of Heart plot.

Only thing I'm disappointed by is very few actual Disney (ie, WDAS) worlds in a game that's always been primarily dominated by their canon. And I'm not too fond of WIR or Moana, even though I can definitely see them being fun levels design-wise (same with Coco). At least Hercules, TP&TF, Zootopia, Mysterious Tower, Destiny Islands, and Radiant Garden are things to look forward to, and I do passingly enjoy most of the others. Only the Star Wars stuff is truly eyeroll-worthy, but at least they didn't throw in a bunch of Marvel at the same time. Yes, I know this is a leak and we take those with a grain of salt, but I'm inclined to believe this one, personally. Only thing truly surprising is no Arendelle. I can believe Square would pass because Lasseter was still at WDAS when 3 was made and he was really difficult with them, and particularly in regards to Frozen. That said, I thought Disney would demand they include Frozen anyway. I guess we'll have to wait til KH5 (maybe in 2034 on PS7) for Arendelle to reappear. A shame since it was my favorite world in 3 along with The Caribbean. I imagine Elsa will be a summon though.

One thing to look forward to is the potential for a lot of good boss battles with this list; that was another criticism of 3, that there weren't many actual Disney bosses (they definitely could've made Gothel and Hans work if they'd tried, look at what they did with Scar--I tend to blame that one on Lasseter than Square, tbh), and this list has many potential ones which is another reason I lean heavily toward believing it. Mordu, Syndrome, Syndrome's robot, the computer in WALL E, Dr. Facilier and the shadows, Te Ka, Tamatoa, the coconuts, King Candy / Turbo and the cybugs, Vader, plus any Hercules bosses. With new tournaments, they could give us each Titan, the Cyclops, Cerberus, and the Hydra as solo battles in each one, with a final 50+ match tournament with a last match that includes all of them together. Could also use Nessus the Centaur, the Medusa, the Harpy, the Nemean Lion, various god characters like Zeus as boss battles. (I still like the idea of Hades summoning "dead" villains like Jafar, Ursula, Shan-Yu, etc. Especially since some in the past didn't get great battles, tbh--Jafar especially deserved better.) And for party members--Judy and Nick, Merida and Bear!Elinor, Miguel and Hector, WALL E and EVE, Joy and Sadness (maybe the make-believe friend), Louis with Tiana and Naveen riding atop perhaps for TP&TF, Moana and Maui, Bob and Helen. Would be nice if they brought back the whole trend of FF characters in Olympus and someone like Lightning was a party member. Wouldn't mind Noctis at all, but Nomura is way too bitter to use anything from FFXV. There are others potentially--Clive or Cid from XVI, Snow maybe. Perhaps have Yuna, Rikku, and Paine appear in Moana where the treasure around Tamatoa is, the world is a similar environment to FFX. Naturally, Sora will transform in Zootopia and Coco, not sure where else.

Anyway, turned out I was right to expect KH4 in 2026--at the earliest. I ended up almost right on the dot, it looks like.. :lol: This series is slow as molasses. Unfortunately, Nomura (the director) is getting closer and closer to retirement. I wonder if he really will close off the story at some point as he mentioned. Obviously Disney and Square won't allow the series to end when it's so successful, but maybe they might at least let him write the ending of his original characters, with any new installment after he retires starting over with new, unrelated characters.

EDIT: Hope springs eternal that they bring things back from the past that were better like trinities and Hidden Mickeys, tech points that made battles more interesting, some kind of mushroom side quest, and a summon that functions like Tinker Bell in KH1. I miss the way Cure functioned in 1, too, where you had more control over how it's used and on who. Of course, that includes tournaments and FF characters, but I had already mentioned them above.

EDIT x2: Of course, the list is supposedly from the earliest phase of what Square was asking for before discussion with Disney, so it's possible Disney could've later demanded Frozen's inclusion. I hope so, since Elsa could be a party member with the II story. We'll, she could have in 3, too, they just didn't. And I couldn't help noticing as I was looking at the list again that it's a 50:50 split of PIXAR and WDAS properties aside from the original worlds and Star Wars, which is another thing that has me leaning toward it being real.
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Sora Is Back! Square Enix Drops First "Kingdom Hearts IV" Trailer in Four Years
https://www.laughingplace.com/disney-en ... iler-2026/

Hades Voice Actor James Woods Shares Excitement and Hints at Involvement for "Kingdom Hearts 4"
https://www.laughingplace.com/disney-en ... woods-kh4/
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Sounds like Hades has a larger role than in the past. That's interesting. I had the strangest thought the other day if the box Maleficent and Pete spent 3 searching for--initially asking Hades about--might be Quadratum somehow? As in, Quadratum / Unreality is a world inside the box.

A shame they didn't really show anything new at all, much less any Disney content. Hopefully it's finally coming out next year though.
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I'm conflicted with most of what they've shown. Some good things--the Mickey segment, D&G playable, Hades likely having a larger role--mixes with things I've heard about less Disney worlds than 3 (which already had few), particularly considering at least 3 will probably be PIXAR, Marvel, and Star Wars nonsense. I'm not expecting it to be as good as 1, 2, 3, or 3D--maybe not CoM either, we'll see.

They're saying 2027, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up delayed. Either way, next year will probably be the Hogwarts Legacy sequel's release year, so there should be something to look forward to whatever happens.
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Nomura Reveals Why Kingdom Hearts 4 Won’t Have Many Disney Worlds
https://www.vice.com/en/article/kingdom ... ds-nomura/

Kingdom Hearts 4 script almost twice as big as KH3's, Tetsuya Nomura says
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment ... ngNewsSerp

The reasoning for fewer Disney worlds might be true. It's still a shame, though. I feel like they gave us that same warning for KH3. At this rate, KH6 will just be one long tour of the police headquarters at Zootopia.
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Just ridiculous the game has less worlds than 3. 3 already had larger worlds than 3D--and to me 3D was just the right size and scope, and more original than straight recreations of film plots like in 3 and I suppose IV if Coco is anything to go by so far.

It would be more bearable if half the list or over half didn't end up being not!Disney properties altogether like Star Wars, PIXAR, etc. I guess 3 sucked the Final Fantasy half of the series out, now this one's working on sucking out the Disney half. Pretty much all I'm looking forward to so far is what they have Mickey, Donald, and Goofy doing in the trailers, Hades (who Woods says has a larger role than in the past), Riku showing up to interrupt Quadratum, Xehanort's role, and possibly Maleficent (if it's true she actually does anything here like they say--although I'm very doubtful of that claim). Hopefully at least 1 or 2 worlds that are worth playing (Zootopia, Raya, Frozen, Encanto, etc.) although that feels like a pitifully low bar the series is scraping at this point.

IV should outperform FFVII Part III which is also releasing 2027, since VII part II did very poor sales. Not shocking since a remake shouldn't have been split in 3-4 parts like that, they were just hoping they could milk the cow and found out they couldn't. That may be to the FFIX and X remakes' benefit, that they don't repeat the mistake. The VII remake was just a misfire all around to me, with most of the characters coming across neutered, the unnecessary recasts, bloat, etc.; I'm glad it didn't happen to one of my favorites like IX/X. But, anyway, Hogwarts Legacy 2 will also be releasing next year. I'd be surprised if it sold quite as well as the first HL--although who knows, it could do *more* considering how good the first ended up being--but I wouldn't mind if it outperformed KHIV considering what a mess it looks to be right now.
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Well, the world list leaked. Only new Disney world is Zootopia. Looks like this one's going to be a trainwreck / shitshow. Maybe in another 10 years, they'll put out a good game after this. The one positive is it sounds like Oswald appears.

Personally right now, I hope Disney puts their foot down post-4 and exerts more control over IP inclusion. I guess that's well-timed with Nomura probably likely to retire soon anyway. But I guess I don't really trust Disney's direction currently either, what with the the extent of their creativity only being "make the characters Black" at this point, just hard to imagine things would be worse than it already is now.

Worst part of all is the repulsive fanbase. :roll: :roll: :roll: No doubt they'll be happy to see the Disney sucked out of this franchise, such torture for them having had to play games that featured Disney characters all these years. Although who's so stupid to pick up a game with Disney characters in the first place if they hate Disney so much is anybody's guess.
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Interesting that we're getting a "Haunted Mansion" world. I think it'd be interesting to have it based directly on the Disneyland attraction, but I somehow wouldn't be surprised if we saw animated versions of Rosario Dawson and Jamie Lee Curtis. Then again, we are apparently getting "Imagineer Planet."

I've actually always really been a fan of returning to old Disney worlds with the same characters but a new story. It feels a similar need to like seeing a sequel to the animated film but without tripping over canon and without needing to divert resources from Disney Animation. I'd be happy to go back to Neverland or Agrabah. They don't really need a super intricate plot.

For that matter, I'm also kinda surprised we didn't see like a return to the "Frozen" world following the events of the second film. I feel like there would be a ton of really fun bosses to go up against.

Now I'm just curious about who our summons are going to be.
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