The new Princesses being excluded from the lineup

[Thumper_93]

Anyone remember how the Disney Princesses franchise used to be a big thing during the 90's, 2000's, and 2010's?

Since between the very end of the 2010's and the start of the 2020's, the Disney Princesses franchise isn't as big as it used to be, (it's still around and still does merchandising, plus they added Raya from Raya and The Last Dragon to the line, just not as major as it used to) what happened and why did it decrease?

When Frozen came out Disney didn't take much care of the Disney princess franchise. They released more Frozen products than Disney princesse's so they became less popular.
I remember that one year I went to search for a gift wrap of the Disney princesses and I didn't found it because stores only had different Frozen designs. Disney only cared about Frozen by the time.
i think that right now they are popular, not as the beginning of the franchise but popular after all. The franchise has Moana and Ariel that sells really well. Cinderella and the classic princesses are popular too. Yesterday I saw a whole Snow white collection for kids at Pepco. They are trying to re introduce them and I think that they are doing it really well.

[Disney Duster]

Thanks for the info, Thumper_93!

[Sotiris]

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[Farerb]

Interesting that they haven't included Asha yet.

[Patricier21]

Interesting that they haven't included Asha yet.

But Asha is not even a princess? Why does everybody keep thinking she’s going to join the lineup? If anything, Mirabel is more of a princess considering the social status that the Madrigals are in the town? They basically created and are the prime people of the town, so she’s literally more princess of the people already in the lineup if you really think about it

[The Disneynerd]

But Asha is not even a princess? Why does everybody keep thinking she’s going to join the lineup? If anything, Mirabel is more of a princess considering the social status that the Madrigals are in the town? They basically created and are the prime people of the town, so she’s literally more princess of the people already in the lineup if you really think about it

If you "really think about it", its not about status or anything, but the idea of animated girls fitting into the same mold: beautiful animated teenage girl that mostly sings. And "Disney Princess" is just extremely striking and more marketable for kids than "Disney Girls" or "Disney Heroines". Belle, Mulan and Cinderella are not Princesses, just random peasents (atleast for most of the movie) and Asha fits into this category too. Too bad her character is unlikeable and the public (rightfully) hates the movie. Disney still tries to make Wish the next sleeper hit like Encanto with the promo still going strong but it doesn't work that well when a movie is bad.

[DisneyFan09]

You know, since Wish was tuoted to be Disney`s Centennial animated feature, it`s remarkable how they didn`t had a Princess in the leading role. Since Wish had such weight on it`s shoulders and it`s sights were set so high in the sky, it`s somewhat odd how they didn`t made Asha a Princess. As it would`ve made sense, for it`s ambitions. But on the other hand, it`s also somewhat refreshing how they`ve gone away from the staple, since Disney milked the Princess premise for what is what worth during the Revival era. Even the Renaissance dared to stray away from it later on, as most of the Renaissance heroines after Pocahontas weren`t actual Princesses (despite how the Princess franchise wasn`t such a official thing back then). Despite how I don`t mind that Disney are making Princesses. But it`s nice to stray away from it once in a while.

Belle, Mulan and Cinderella are not Princesses, just random peasents (atleast for most of the movie) and Asha fits into this category too. Too bad her character is unlikeable and the public (rightfully) hates the movie. Disney still tries to make Wish the next sleeper hit like Encanto with the promo still going strong but it doesn't work that well when a movie is bad.

True, but at least Belle and Cinderella becomes Princesses afterwards by marriage (just as Tiana). And why don`t you like Asha?

[Disney's Divinity]

It's sort of odd Mirabel hasn't been included by now, tbh. But regardless of those three films' varying levels of succes, it's probably a good thing that not every film with a heroine is inducted into the line anyway. It'll just get bloated that way.

[The Disneynerd]

True, but at least Belle and Cinderella becomes Princesses afterwards by marriage (just as Tiana). And why don`t you like Asha?

Ok this will take long lol

Because, vaguely seen, she didnt offer anything new to the lineup. Visually, sure, i guess there are lil girls who are going CRAZY for her couture purple versace dress, her design is unique enough, but we already had this clumsy quirkyness of a character the last decade (something most people already said). Anna and Rapunzel were sheltred most of their life, which is why they are still childish and desperate for community, even annoying Mirabel gets an ok as shes a frustrated outsider in her family and automatically her village, while Asha, popular peasent girl with friends is quirky because Disney told her so. Beside that, Her motivations were questionable, vague and forced a conflict that wasnt needed in the first place, just to get her fight ANYTHING to paint her as the hero (shes the Definition of "create a Problem, sell the solution!"). She also lacked a personal struggle or motivation other than being this fake peoplepleaser beach. No growth or change whatsover. There are few princesses, like Belle or Ariel who also dont really have some sort of growth, but atleast their personalities and norms Form the narrative, and their actions (understandable personal actions), Belle is a bookworm who dreams of adventure and a fairytale life with dancing selfless heroes and so on, knowing Gaston, he could never give her that as hes too vain. So of course she rejects him. Those small personal choices form the rest of the conflict, same with Ariel being Obsessed with the human world, more of a curious party girl which ends up clashing with her fathers understable views which propells the rest of the movie. Personal decisions that lead to chaos a showdown and big payoffs, Asha doesnt have that. The dumb villagers in wish had a CHOICE, they visited the island on purpose, knew the Consequences and when they dont like it they riot. You could compare them to the Players of Squid Game, they are given the choice to go, knowing that they could die but majority of the players choose to stay anyway (unlike the dumb Rosarians or whatever they are called they have valueble financial reasons to stay). And her I want song cant even derermine what she wants, aside from "more than this" of course.She also had no real sacrifice! For all the other Disney girls there were stakes, even connected to their desires, like Belle taking her fathers place so he wont die, meaning she has to give up her previously established want for adventure, not knowing her biggest adventure awaits inside the vivid castle Walls hint hint hint hint. Another thing with Ariel making the Deal with Ursula, where she has to become Ursulas slave if she wont make it, which automatically means her dream of the human world will be closed forever. Blah blah. Ashas "Risk" is...that she maybe gets banned from the kingdom, idk. But nothing really life threatening or dream crushing. The only big Consequence she faced was not getting the freetime job as Magnificos apprentice, which has no financial need or anything. All the characters automatically side with her cause shes the main character.

Also, she was just some random girl that had no role in society. All Disney Princesses, even the passive ones that didnt really activeley do anything, were the catalysts of their movies, with their social positions or status, like Snow White, being the most beautiful girl of them all setting all the actions. Same with Aurora having her birthday party act as the reason why Maleficent cursed her. So either situations were specifically designed AFTER them, or situations were influenced BY them for personal reasons. What Asha was doing could have been done by Literally anyone else in Town, like her grandhag, the goat or one of her friends and the buildup, meaining or structure of the whole movie would be 99% the same.

Everytime i think of this movie i feel like a professional film critic, i should think about this abomination more often then

[Thumper_93]

Asha is the definition of today's young people. They think that they only good way to make things is the one that they say. She also doesn't recognize her mistakes and you can feel a superiority aura around her. In the real world she would have a podcast where she would speak about how bad the society is.
If Disney wants to include an ethnic princess that goes in purple and fight for the people who can't do it then they can include Esmeralda again. She's a much better role.

[Disney's Divinity]

Esmeralda isn't the lead of Hunchback though. Jasmine at least is a love interest. And Aurora is the title character even if she isn't exactly the lead.

I always think it's funny how much complex commentary Wish inspires, tbh. Considering it's a pretty simplistic movie--too much so, both Elemental and Wish felt like someone at the top had been telling both studios to dumb things down--I find it all sort of surprising and funny. I'm not sure Asha exists, for example, because they "needed" an "ethnic princess" or whatever--they have quite a few of them already--so much as all the films they've been making the past decade feature diversity automatically. I don't think any of Raya, SW, or Wish's failures have to do with diversity or else something like Moana and its sequel wouldn't be successful and Encanto wouldn't have succeeded despite the pandemic. Raya also got screwed by the pandemic, being their first film during it and coming right when it all started; streaming was still in iys early phase and the lack of music likely prevented any sort of life for it like Encanto. Strange World was just a bad film all around--story, design, etc.--on top of feeling like Chapek forced them to make it in response to his controversy and I think that film being as poor as it was hurt Wish more than anything else did. Wish was a bland film and the music was on the poor side, but Moana was also fairly bland. Unfortunately, sometimes success or lack of it depends what string of films something falls in. Moana came after things like Frozen, Zootopia, and Tangled whereas Wish followed Strange World. I wonder if Wish had followed Encanto if it might've performed somewhat better or not.

[Sotiris]

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[Thumper_93]

Esmeralda isn't the lead of Hunchback though. Jasmine at least is a love interest. And Aurora is the title character even if she isn't exactly the lead.

Esmeralda is co-protagonist. The story turns all the time around her:

- Quasimodo has a love-friendship relationship with her. He wants to go outside but She's the one who makes him sneak out from the cathedral for the second time in order to save her and the gypsies and to defy his master. His hopes and his dreams change at the moment that he meets her.
- Phoebus arrives to Paris with one purpose that changes in the moment that he meets her so he defies the rules of his job and his superiors to save her because he loves her.
- Frollo goes crazy because of her transforming himself into a more despicable villain and increasing his hate for the gypsies.
All the character are connected with her in the movie. In Victor Hugo's book she's even more protagonist than Quasimodo who doesn't even speak, that's why the original title from the book is Notre-Dame the Paris and not The hunchback of Notre-Dame.

[Sotiris]

In an upcoming Disney Princess book, there's a page where it reveals the real-life place each princess is from.


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[Disney Duster]

It interests me to see Aurora as Western Europe instead of France, Rapunzel as Central Europe instead of Germany, and Tiana as New Orleans and North America. Is the North America part for Naveen's kingdom?

[PatchofBlue]

Belle, Mulan, and Merida are the only princesses whose nationalities are specified in the movie, so it makes sense that like Ariel's isn't listed here. What's odd to me is that Snow White is assigned Germany when there's nothing in the film itself that says this. I'd assumed it was Germany because that's where the fairy-tale is from, but "Rapunzel" is also from Germany, and that apparently wasn't good enough for anyone. (Same case with Cinderella, I guess.)

Actually, no. What's REALLY odd to me is that Aurora's actually in her blue dress in this pic.

[Thumper_93]

Belle, Mulan, and Merida are the only princesses whose nationalities are specified in the movie, so it makes sense that like Ariel's isn't listed here. What's odd to me is that Snow White is assigned Germany when there's nothing in the film itself that says this. I'd assumed it was Germany because that's where the fairy-tale is from, but "Rapunzel" is also from Germany, and that apparently wasn't good enough for anyone. (Same case with Cinderella, I guess.)

Actually, no. What's REALLY odd to me is that Aurora's actually in her blue dress in this pic.

In Snow White there are things that make you think that the story takes place in Germany like the shoes that Snow wears when she's on her rags dress, the cuckoo clock (they are from south part of Germany) that appears or the mug that is in the seven dwarfs cottage. The decoration of the seven dwarf's cottage is also inspired on Germany.

[Disney Duster]

Belle, Mulan, and Merida are the only princesses whose nationalities are specified in the movie, so it makes sense that like Ariel's isn't listed here. What's odd to me is that Snow White is assigned Germany when there's nothing in the film itself that says this. I'd assumed it was Germany because that's where the fairy-tale is from, but "Rapunzel" is also from Germany, and that apparently wasn't good enough for anyone. (Same case with Cinderella, I guess.)

Actually, no. What's REALLY odd to me is that Aurora's actually in her blue dress in this pic.

But Ariel's is listed, the Meditteranean. And Cinderella is based on the French fairy tale, it says so in the film's title cards.

[Disney's Divinity]

@Duster: Sort of like in the Frozen III thread, some of the newer posters seem to say things that are contradicted by what was just posted immediately before them. Feels like A.I. accounts have been sicced on this place or something (not referring to any specific poster, just generally.) Odd. Combine that with how some seem to say only what I imagine corporate Disney wants to be said, too, makes you wonder. Well, to be fair, a few others seem to post nothing but criticism, too, which could come from a different source. A shame Disney is some kind of culture war issue these days, I'm guessing that's to blame.

Anyway, I love that clipart of Ariel holding the dancing figurine. Hopefully that's one they re-use often.

[PatchofBlue]

Belle, Mulan, and Merida are the only princesses whose nationalities are specified in the movie, so it makes sense that like Ariel's isn't listed here. What's odd to me is that Snow White is assigned Germany when there's nothing in the film itself that says this. I'd assumed it was Germany because that's where the fairy-tale is from, but "Rapunzel" is also from Germany, and that apparently wasn't good enough for anyone. (Same case with Cinderella, I guess.)

Actually, no. What's REALLY odd to me is that Aurora's actually in her blue dress in this pic.

But Ariel's is listed, the Meditteranean. And Cinderella is based on the French fairy tale, it says so in the film's title cards.

I meant like a specific country. I know a lot of people will type The Little Mermaid as taking place in Denmark, which is why it was curious to me that they didn't just say "Denmark" when some of the other princesses listed had actual countries that weren't named in the films. (BTW that was a helpful outline of the German connections, Thumper.) Though I guess ... even if we DO decide that Eric's kingdom is in Denmark, then I suppose it would actually still be more accurate to say Ariel herself is from the Mediterranean Sea, so maybe it doesn't matter.

I guess I hadn't noticed the title cards in Cinderella before. I'll have to watch for that next time.