Disenchanted

[Farerb]

Even the hand drawn was disappointing to me. In the credits I saw a long list of "rotoscopers". was the original as rotoscope heavy?

No.

[Patricier21]

Having just watched the movie, I am wondering if anyone on here can provide any explanation towards anything And everything that was cut, Including why Rachel Covey, Despite cameoing, And as such did not Reprise Her role when she still could’ve, was re-casted?

I don't think an official reason for Morgan's recasting has been given, but there are some theories we've discussed here. One of them is that perhaps they wanted someone younger for the role. 15 years have passed in the real world, but only 10 in the movie, so they wanted someone who could play a teenager. I believe Gabriella Baldacchino, the actress who ended up playing the part, was 19 when she was cast. She's just four years younger than Rachel Covey, but it could still have been a consideration. Also, Rachel hasn't made a movie since Enchanted, so maybe she wasn't prepared for a role like this. Another possible reason is that, unlike last time, Morgan had to sing in the sequel. Rachel Covey is a playwright and a composer now, but I don't know if she sings or not. I've searched on Youtube and didn't find any video of her singing. Baldacchino, though, had experience in that regard. She did a good job, in my opinion, but it's a shame Rachel didn't get to play the character again.

Here’s the following but I know what cut, please let me know anything else that I’m missing here:

What makes a hero musical number in the Tavern
The seven dwarves
Jodi Benson cameo

The seven dwarfs appearing in the movie was a rumor by TheDisinsider and was never confirmed, so we don't know for sure if they were ever going to be in it or not. Jodi Benson is rumored to have a cameo in the Little Mermaid remake, but I haven't heard anything about her appearing in Disenchanted. But yes, the musical number "Hard Times for Heroes" was shot, but cut from the movie.

I also know that Menkin and Schwartz wrote about 11 songs for the movie so we know that the side of the one mentioned above That there were others that were cut.

Yes, Alan Menken said he and Stephen Schwartz wrote 10 or 11 songs for the movie in total. I'm not sure if they count the two parts of "Fairytale Life" as separate songs or not. Same with "Andalasia" and "The Magic of Andalasia", which have the same melody, but different lyrics and performers. I suspect they at least count "Faitytale Life" as one song. So, that makes 6 or 7 songs used in the movie. Two of the cut ones, "Hard Times for Heroes" and a duet by Morgan and Malvina's son titled "Something Different This Year" are included in the soundtrack. That leaves from one to three cut songs we haven't heard.

"Something Different This Year" was recorded by the actors who play the characters in the film, but we don't know if the musical number was shot or not.

Also, most of the songs that are in the movie were trimmed. We know that because they are longer on the soundtrack. The full version of "The Magic of Andalasia" was most likely filmed, because part of the cut verse was featured in one of the trailers, but we don't know if the other missing bits were cut after or before filming.

It also seems like they were supposed to be A scene right after Giselle went and sat down with Malvina And her minions at the beginning, As she was supposed to meet and talk with them, and we only saw the beginning With her arriving to sit down and then It cuts to the next scene?

She does sit down at the very end of that scene, but I also had the impression something had been cut from it when I first watched the movie, so maybe there was some shot from it shown in a trailer or TV spot that wasn't in the final film.

It's also possible some of the scenes filmed during the reshoots replaced older ones.

And of course, was anyone at the test screening that Led to them having to do re-shoots? What was different/Not included in the final move either was there? Where the dwarves and the Jodi Benson cameo there? Any information from what was changed from the test screening as well please!

I don't remember anyone here mentioning they had had been at the test screening, but who knows, maybe some other member has more info regarding that.

Thank you so much For replying if you could please provide a link to that specific trailer that you talked about, it would be truly gratefully appreciated

The following is an article that explains the Jodi Benson cameo for this movie, not live action little mermaid: https://deadline.com/2022/11/disenchant ... 235174622/

[D82]

Thank you so much For replying if you could please provide a link to that specific trailer that you talked about, it would be truly gratefully appreciated

You're welcome, Patricier21! The trailer I mentioned is this one. The cut verse from Nancy and Edward's song can be heard at the 0:18 minute mark.

The following is an article that explains the Jodi Benson cameo for this movie, not live action little mermaid: https://deadline.com/2022/11/disenchant ... 235174622/

I remember that article, but I hadn't listened to the podcast included in it. You were right she filmed a cameo that was cut. Thanks for providing the link! I'm curious about it, especially after hearing Barry Josephson loved it and that, according to him, it was a very funny scene. He says Robert was in it too and that it took place in his office. I wonder if it was going to happen before or after they move to Monroeville.

[Patricier21]

Thank you so much For replying if you could please provide a link to that specific trailer that you talked about, it would be truly gratefully appreciated

You're welcome, Patricier21! The trailer I mentioned is this one. The cut verse from Nancy and Edward's song can be heard at the 0:18 minute mark.

The following is an article that explains the Jodi Benson cameo for this movie, not live action little mermaid: https://deadline.com/2022/11/disenchant ... 235174622/

I remember that article, but I hadn't listened to the podcast included in it. You were right she filmed a cameo that was cut. Thanks for providing the link! I'm curious about it, especially after hearing Barry Josephson loved it and that, according to him, it was a very funny scene. He says Robert was in it too and that it took place in his office. I wonder if it was going to happen before or after they move to Monroeville.

Thank you so much, truly gratefully appreciated Again, may you and anyone else reading this please let me know if you find any other information that I’m looking for here, would also be truly gratefully appreciated

[D82]

Some updates:

• "Fairytale Life (After the Spell)" and "Love Power" full song clips.

• Amy Adams and Maya Rudolph visit Disneyland and promos centered on Edward, Robert, Morgan, Pip and the film's Easter eggs.

• Gabriella Baldacchino on The Kelly Clarkson Show.

• TONIC DNA's internal credits made for the company's private screening of the film.

• More stuff shared by the animation team:

John Pomeroy (Animator)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl5Z26qPJqA/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmRu25CsDnB/

Tony Bancroft (Animator)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Clp1-5Yr9Uc/

Ole Christian Løken (Animator)
https://twitter.com/OleLoken/status/159 ... D457AsAAAA
https://twitter.com/OleLoken/status/160 ... 6d2LQsAAAA

Madalin Truica (Animator)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cld_F7vMPUp/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Clt2tTVo0Jk/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl1Hc9eoC3w/

Alain Seguin (Animator)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl7B_WugCPb/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmErcWWAtsO/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmXGhynA7Et/

Felipe Almeida (Animator)
https://www.instagram.com/p/ClzkCg2PhjN/

Álvaro Martínez Bernardo (Illustrator/Character designer)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmJK_vIJ0WJ/

Pierre Vanderweerd (Character Designer)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmKuVJjr2v9/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmU-wEMMe4z/

Diogo Cambrian (Layout Artist)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl6AXM_Kfc2/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl8HzV1KvXU/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl_NLlTqKfy/
https://diogocambrian.com/disenchanted-1
https://diogocambrian.com/disenchanted-2

Jason Seiler (Background Painter)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmE1k3duO9a/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmE1yJaug2R/

Matthieu Petit (2D VFX)
https://twitter.com/matthieup85/status/ ... 8614755328
https://twitter.com/matthieup85/status/ ... 0270069761
https://twitter.com/matthieup85/status/ ... 9898913792

Again, may you and anyone else reading this please let me know if you find any other information that I’m looking for here, would also be truly gratefully appreciated

Yes, of course. If I find anything else regarding that, I'll post it here.

[Warm Regards]

• More stuff shared by the animation team:

John Pomeroy (Animator)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl5Z26qPJqA/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CmRu25CsDnB/

Wow, Edward's giraffe neck wasn't in the rough animation! And his expression matches the voice more than the "cartoon dad" vibe the final animation had.

Thanks for posting all these links D82! It's nice to see artists being open about their contributions to the film too. (I.e., thankful this isn't behind a paywall or a Disney+ documentary,...)

[Disney Duster]

Lol why the giraffe neck?!!

[D82]

You're welcome, Warm Regards. I agree about the animators. And you're right about Edward's giraffe neck. I hadn't noticed it wasn't in the rough animation.

Speaking of him, his design looked more similar to the original in some of the rough animation shots, don't you think?


Source: https://twitter.com/OleLoken/status/159 ... mLp6gsAAAA


Source: https://twitter.com/OleLoken/status/160 ... 6d2LQsAAAA

Character Designer Pierre Vanderweerd revealed on Instagram that one of the reasons he looks a bit different in the sequel is that Adam Shankman wanted his design to be aged up for the sequel:

Edward's 2D design went through quite a few different artists while his costume was finalized in the live-action department. We looked a lot at his design in Enchanted, although the director ultimately decided he wanted Edward's design to be slightly aged up from the original film.

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmKuVJjr2v9/

In this article about the animated segments, which I found quite interesting, creative director Todd Shaffer and animation supervisor Simon Pope explain why the style of animation is a bit different this time as well:

While the animation was looking to evoke the look of classic Disney fairytale movies, the performances and the storytelling are more subtle and tailored to the needs of this movie, Pope says. “The tone of the shot as a composition is the thing that’s different, rather than necessarily the animation,” he says.

Shaffer compares the result to the style seen in the 1995 feature Pocahontas, which is on the more realistic end of the Disney style spectrum.

“Adam didn’t want us to go from live action into a world where they were more cartoony and bubbly, and then they go back to live action,” Shaffer says. “And so that’s sort of where we landed with it, and that did distinguish us from the previous movie.”

Schaffer also admits it was difficult to find 2D animators with enough experience to work on a project like this:

Finding 2D animation talent wasn’t easy, Shaffer says. The animators worked in Toon Boom software, but without 3D references it was all essentially hand drawn. “We don’t have the talent pool that we once had, but that’s changing,” he says.

The highlight of the project for Pope was seeing the performances come together. “It was a new challenge for, I think, most people to do such a realistic approach,” he says.

“I love working with new animators and seeing what their strengths are and collaborating with them,” adds Shaffer. “This is a very demanding project. It’s great that we have demanding projects because that’s where you learn to grow. And those are great challenges that are very exciting.”

[Sotiris]

Disney Reveals ‘Disenchanted’ Was Over Budget At $127 Million
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinere ... 7-million/

[Thumper_93]

Compare Disenchanted animation with Pocahonta's one is an insult for Pocahontas and their animators.
The animation that they made for Disenchanted looked really bad, more cheap than the first one and they even lost the beautiful style that the first movie has.

[Farerb]

People tend to complain about the music in this movie but I prefer it much more than the music in Bob Iger's Snow White, Mufasa, Moana 2, Wish, etc...

[Kyle]

Compare Disenchanted animation with Pocahonta's one is an insult for Pocahontas and their animators.
The animation that they made for Disenchanted looked really bad, more cheap than the first one and they even lost the beautiful style that the first movie has.

I dunno if it was confirmed or not, but it definitely looked rotoscoped to me, more so than the original. All to save money.

[Thumper_93]

Compare Disenchanted animation with Pocahonta's one is an insult for Pocahontas and their animators.
The animation that they made for Disenchanted looked really bad, more cheap than the first one and they even lost the beautiful style that the first movie has.

I dunno if it was confirmed or not, but it definitely looked rotoscoped to me, more so than the original. All to save money.

I could understand them to make it with rotoscope to save money but changing the whole style is a big mistake. It doesn' looks like the first one and they seem from different universes.

[Vlad]

I just noticed that Nancy now has blue eyes, while in the first one, she had brown eyes.

[Sotiris]

Menken revealed there was serious executive meddling with the film.

Q: Are there any songs you wish were not cut from your films?

Alan Menken: One of my recent projects had songs cut that really frustrated me and I think actually hurt it badly. It was called 'Disenchanted'. It was originally a real, full musical, but people who'll remain unnamed who had "titles" said...nope! But anyway, you live with that. That's the way it goes.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF5NmkqB2II

[DisneyFan09]

People tend to complain about the music in this movie but I prefer it much more than the music in Bob Iger's Snow White, Mufasa, Moana 2, Wish, etc...

Sorry, but I found all of those soundtracks superior to those from Disenchanted.

[Thumper_93]

Menken revealed there was serious executive meddling with the film.

Q: Are there any songs you wish were not cut from your films?

Alan Menken: One of my recent projects had songs cut that really frustrated me and I think actually hurt it badly. It was called 'Disenchanted'. It was originally a real, full musical, but people who'll remain unnamed who had "titles" said...nope! But anyway, you live with that. That's the way it goes.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF5NmkqB2II

The songs included in the film were really bad. If the ones that are in the soundtrack are the good ones then I can't imagine how bad are the ones that were removed from the film...

[Disney Duster]

The songs were bad. I think the only good one was the villain song, and probably because that's the only song I can remember parts of the tune and I just remember liking it a lot. Oh, and I can remember parts of "Love Power" but that really was not a good song in my opinion. I can't believe Menken wrote Disenchanted's music, really.

[The Disneynerd]

Menken revealed there was serious executive meddling with the film.

Q: Are there any songs you wish were not cut from your films?

Alan Menken: One of my recent projects had songs cut that really frustrated me and I think actually hurt it badly. It was called 'Disenchanted'. It was originally a real, full musical, but people who'll remain unnamed who had "titles" said...nope! But anyway, you live with that. That's the way it goes.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF5NmkqB2II

those were probably really specific plotdriven broadway songs and they just kept the most basic and save tunes...they should have learned from We dont talk about Bruno (most plotdriven Encant song) that those are not only the most memorable, but can also be charttoppers. They did Menken dirty, they just need to take one GLIMPSE at his iconic discography to see that he clearly knows what hes doing

[Disney's Divinity]

People tend to complain about the music in this movie but I prefer it much more than the music in Bob Iger's Snow White, Mufasa, Moana 2, Wish, etc...

Sorry, but I found all of those soundtracks superior to those from Disenchanted.

I agree, actually. Not sure what went on with Disenchanted, but the music wasn't great. Not surprised at all there was executive meddling. Tangled was also middling from him, and we know there was heavy interference there as well as TLM's live-action soundtrack where executive meddling put a major dent in that one with ludicrous lyric changes that destroyed PUS, song cuts of Fathoms Below and Les Poissons, and then the addition of songs that didn't sound anything like the rest of the soundtrack (FtFT, Scuttlebutt) although I could at least appreciate FtFT separate from the movie itself. But I think part of Disenchanted's problem was the project itself was bland just like Hocus Pocus 2 was. I imagine lackluster characters / plot make it more difficult to generate a strong musical because the songs in musicals are character- and plot-driven. No surprise the only song I liked from the film felt more like something on the radio than out of a musical (Love Power). But my unpopular opinion is even the first Enchanted's soundtrack was just alright. The only truly great song is "That's How You Know" and then the cleaning song was very cute. "So Close" is okay... Boring, but okay. Adams and Marsden sound great on True Love's Kiss even though I was never crazy about the song itself. And I can't recall if he wrote the ending song Carrie Underwood sings, but it's terrible. Enchanted and Disenchanted being parodies with very minimal plot or defined characters probably has a lot to do with it.

Tangled: The Series, Galavant, B&tB (2017), Aladdin (2019, In This Place, and Wild, Uncharted Waters + the main theme he had for Rachel Zegler in that Netflix film were proof he still had it despite this whole movie--not just its soundtrack--being a mess. I'm guessing he mostly had free reign on the TV series which is why there were so many gems from both. I believe he had to fight executives with B&tB, but he mostly won those fights which is why they made sure to punish him on the next remake by bringing in new composers to "help." Aladdin was still great though because Pasek & Paul were incredibly respectful of him despite the people at the top intending their involvement to be an insult or punishment. The TLM remake wasn't thar lucky unfortunately.