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D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:00 am I doubt that they were going to give up after The Princess and the Frog. That feels like a over-exaggeration.
Disney Animation is closing the book on fairy tales
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html
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Farerb wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:36 am
D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:00 am I doubt that they were going to give up after The Princess and the Frog. That feels like a over-exaggeration.
Disney Animation is closing the book on fairy tales
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html
Yeah sorry, I feel like some of what Disney is saying here is spin because they donโ€™t wanna admit they screwed up releasing it a week before Avatar and should have released it wide on Thanksgiving weekend instead, and some of it is an excuse for them to say in a code of their own that they were doing away with hand-drawn animated Disney films.

Also, considering The Princess and the Frog made $5M in profit, I doubt it was that poor a performer compared to Winnie the Pooh (2011).
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Pokenonbinary wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:49 pm Avantika is taking the role
I think u spelled Sabrina Carpenter wrong :huh: Girl can sing, act and looks like Rapunzel. But now in the peak of her career, i wouldnt be surprised if she would pass on them, especially with the growing hatred of LA remakes :) but at the same time, Arianas Wicked is a huge success (and will get a huge wave of income because the movie opens Internationally next week) so maybe shes open for that. Please Please pleaseeee
Pokenonbinary wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:00 pm The budget was so big because they invented a new hair technology
that too, but i doubt the hair Software crossed more than 20M$. Main thing that catapulted the budget were the 3 different Versions that surpasssed the preproduction process, where Rapunzel Unbraided was even already finished with Voice recordings and whole previz.

The only thing that makes me optimistic about this remake is that, at the end, Tangled never was that Faithful with the original fairytale. It doesnt really capture the essence and thrill of the tale at all, with the whole nailbiting part being Rapunzel to hide the fact from Gothel that she not only had a visitor, but shes secretly planning to escape behind her back throughout the whole story, while in Tangled, that anxiety aspect is completely gone as she makes a whole Roadtrip with Flynn in the first 20 minutes and then only the last 12 Minutes feel like the fairytale again. Even BARBIES Rapunzel did a better job with capturing the Tale better.https://youtu.be/DU37FaD2_bU?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/sbSYOSAVhrw?feature=shared

So they have a chance to not only do their own spin on Rapunzel, but to make it even more Faithful to the Grimm story
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Wicked is Ariana passion dream and also it was always gonna be a prestige movie

I don't think Tangled live action will be a prestige movie, unless you consider the other live action remakes to be prestige and award winners

Ariana is likely taking the Oscar for best supporting (not just my opinion, she's the frontrunner) and that is good for singers and any actor

A Tangled live action remake would only bring money to Sabrina, I don't think she cares about money after her actual popularity
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Boy, the writing's on the wall for all that time and the news still hits you like a cannonball.

Anyways, I'm just putting it out there now: if they have the good sense to bring Menken back, there is a chance I may see this in theaters--if they bring in someone else, even P&P, there is absolutely no chance I will see this in theaters.
UmbrellaFish wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 11, 2024 3:00 pm Yes, IIRC, Tangledโ€™s budget ballooned because it went through so many revisions and a change of director/s. I also think personally if it had come a little later in the โ€œRevivalโ€ it would have had the success Frozen had. Disney was still earning back its street cred then.

That was an exciting time to be a Disney fan!
Yes, it really was, wasn't it? I've been very nostalgic for those days of my Disney fandom lately.
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There's no reason they won't bring Alan Menken back, they brought him back to all the remakes of the movies he had worked on, and this time they won't pair him with a different lyricist because there's no reason not to bring Glenn Slater back too.
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Disney has never really needed "reasons" to neglect him, though.

Yeah, they've kept him on for all the remakes of his films so far, but that doesn't appear to be a hard and fast rule for all their remakes, though. They didn't bring back Tim Rice and Elton John for MUFASA. Moreover, Menken has yet to earn them so much as an Oscar nom for any of his new music, which might decrease his value in their eyes. And Gracey's big hit WAS with Pasek & Paul, so there's a chance he might want to work with them again given the choice.

Menken's got his foot in the door, for sure, but I'm going to need it in writing that he's coming back before I can feel at ease about this.
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If they do it right this can be successful. The current generation of young adult women grew up with Tangled as their main contemporary romantic disney movie.
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UmbrellaFish wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 11, 2024 3:00 pm Yes, IIRC, Tangledโ€™s budget ballooned because it went through so many revisions and a change of director/s. I also think personally if it had come a little later in the โ€œRevivalโ€ it would have had the success Frozen had. Disney was still earning back its street cred then.

That was an exciting time to be a Disney fan!
Sorry for saying this, but for me it truly wasn`t an exciting time to be a Disney fan. Mainly because it was a time where Disney were mostly focusing on their Disney Channel Franchise (and being labeled for it), who was gaining momentum at the time. And frankly sullying the reputation of the company. But sure, despite how I was wanting Tangled to be hand drawn or to have the painterly look that it was rumored to have, it was still exciting to look forward to it!
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DisneyFan09 wrote: Sorry for saying this, but for me it truly wasn`t an exciting time to be a Disney fan.
I thought the same when I read that comment, DisneyFan09. Even as messy as Disney has been the last few years, it's been more exciting Raya onwards than it was during the years that followed TP&TF. Really the only thing that did it for me in those years was Frozen and to a much lesser extent Zootopia. Even things like Moana that I tried to be excited about because it was being made by M&C couldn't escape the overall blandification of the movies being put out then.

And that's why I think Tangled and Moana remakes could easily improve on the originals. Tangled in particular, in somebody else's hands, could free it from the confines of that horrible Dreamworks-esque tone and actually let the music soar. The series proved to me that the characters themselves weren't really the problem.
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:58 pm
DisneyFan09 wrote: Sorry for saying this, but for me it truly wasn`t an exciting time to be a Disney fan.
I thought the same when I read that comment, DisneyFan09. Even as messy as Disney has been the last few years, it's been more exciting Raya onwards than it was during the years that followed TP&TF. Really the only thing that did it for me in those years was Frozen and to a much lesser extent Zootopia. Even things like Moana that I tried to be excited about because it was being made by M&C couldn't escape the overall blandification of the movies being put out then.

And that's why I think Tangled and Moana remakes could easily improve on the originals. Tangled in particular, in somebody else's hands, could free it from the confines of that horrible Dreamworks-esque tone and actually let the music soar. The series proved to me that the characters themselves weren't really the problem.
Thanks for agreeing with me. But what I truly meant that it wasn`t exciting to be a Disney fan due to the Disney Channel franchises at the time. Not for the overall quality of the Revival products.
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Oh, okay. My bad. You're talking about High School Musical and the Miley Cyrus show, right? I actually didn't mind HSM too much.
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I've always said that Tangled is not so great as people use to think. I'm surrounded by people who think that it's amazing but I find it pretty normal. I grew up with Barbie as Princess Rapunzel and in my opinion this version has more the feeling of an old fairy tale. The look of this film is great considering that it was released to VHS and DVD directly. They also had magic creatures like dragons, a beautiful and realistic tower.... They also gave powers to Gothel transforming the character into a wicked witch. They also added the plot of Rapunzel going out of the tower, discovering her own pass and they also gave her the painting hobby and the magic brush... They mantained the more recognizable things about the original story but adding new things that really worked.
Tangled only has the magic flower and Rapunzel going out from her tower, something that we already saw before on Barbie's film.
In my opinion a LA film could improove some things from the animated movie but honestly I think that they are going to cancel all the LA projects after SW.
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:32 pm Oh, okay. My bad. You're talking about High School Musical and the Miley Cyrus show, right? I actually didn't mind HSM too much.
It`s alright, you`re forgiven :) Yup, but I was talking about the whole Disney Channel craze that was following the post-Lizzie McGuire era. Frankly, they were getting too much attention and overexposure and it was annoying. And yes, many of those products were bad. I didn`t mind High School Musical and frankly I didn`t mind Hannah Montana at first. But I started to hate the latter franchise due to how it was overexposed. And besides, I hated the movie with a burning passion due to how it was just meant to capitalize the success and phenonemon, since it was a hypocritical, uneven mess as a whole (*cough, the ending, cough*).
Thumper_93 wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:26 am I've always said that Tangled is not so great as people use to think. I'm surrounded by people who think that it's amazing but I find it pretty normal. I grew up with Barbie as Princess Rapunzel and in my opinion this version has more the feeling of an old fairy tale. The look of this film is great considering that it was released to VHS and DVD directly. They also had magic creatures like dragons, a beautiful and realistic tower.... They also gave powers to Gothel transforming the character into a wicked witch. They also added the plot of Rapunzel going out of the tower, discovering her own pass and they also gave her the painting hobby and the magic brush... They mantained the more recognizable things about the original story but adding new things that really worked.
Tangled only has the magic flower and Rapunzel going out from her tower, something that we already saw before on Barbie's film.
In my opinion a LA film could improove some things from the animated movie but honestly I think that they are going to cancel all the LA projects after SW.
Agreed. It seems like the general public liked Tangled better than the critics. Many people thought it was the best animated feature ever released. But as for Tangled, I find it to be a good movie, but not a great one. While it does have it`s moments (like I See the Lights, Rapunzel`s journey through the kingdom), it is somewhat an uneven movie. My problem with is that the tone was somewhat inconsistent, as the harrowing, darker moments clashed with the lighter moments. Some moments were overdone in a hammy way (like the moment where Rapunzel realizes her identity). Also Gothel was underwhelming. She was a pretty generic and forgettable villain, especially due to how she was following the footsteps of her female counterparts (like the Wicked Queen and Maleficent).
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Tangled honestly probably lands in the top 5 of the Disney canon for me. A part of that is probably the fact that it was the film that really launched my adult Disney fandom, but I also think the machinery of it is pretty impressive. I think the character arcs and plot lines involved all check out, and CG films in and out of Disney looked a lot prettier after this film came out.

A lot of what people consider "bland" or "generic" about the film reads more along the lines of "classical" or "archetypal" to me. Like, this is what Disney films ought to feel like, and it shows me that the movies can have unique variance and flavor across the line that reflect the times in which they were made and still have a unified Disney heartbeat.

The self-aware humor ought to be a point against it, especially seeing how that would skyrocket out of control across the Disney-brand in the years after, but it doesn't feel like a copout here. It feels like a dialogue with an audience that considers itself to be too cool for fairy-tale movies. Flynn thinks he's emotionally past all that, which is why he buries himself in his rapscallion affect, but you also see him make the transition to earnest and sincere as he interacts with Rapunzel and her effervescence and learns to shed the armor.

I think I've gone back to this film twice since WISH came out, and both times I walked away thinking that THIS would have somehow made a better statement on Disney's 100 year legacy.
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I don't think Sabrina Carpenter would be interested in this, but I suppose she wouldn't be terrible. I didn't realize until about a week ago that she was the actress on Girl Neets World. :lol: Her voice is pitiful, but Mandy Moore wasn't great in that department, so it wouldn't be that different.

@DisneyFan09: I never watched Hannah Montana, Miley was just too awful an actor even by Disney Channel standards. I actually came to like her personality a few years ago, but back then she was sort of a running joke.

I'll take even Wish over Tangled--not sure why every thread seems to bring the trollbaiting about Wish from the predictable sources--although Tangled's soundtrack is better. Not by a large margin as you'd expect though since Menken was held back on the film--and Debose wipes the floor with Moore despite "This Wish" being the lesser song--but Donna Murphy's song wins it for Tangled single-handedly. And that's even despite Gothel being a very disappointing character overall. Actually, I hadn't thought about it before, but I do think Magnifico is the better villain--the design is definitely superior to Gothel's--but it is a very low bar.
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:21 pm @DisneyFan09: I never watched Hannah Montana, Miley was just too awful an actor even by Disney Channel standards. I actually came to like her personality a few years ago, but back then she was sort of a running joke.
Word. Miley was an pretty mediocre actor in the show, despite how her acting was adequate enough in the movie. But her acting in The Last Song was pretty meh. As for her personality, I liked it early on. But I never cared for her later on. Mainly because due to her overexposure during her prime.
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Pokenonbinary wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 12, 2024 5:34 am I don't think Tangled live action will be a prestige movie, unless you consider the other live action remakes to be prestige and award winners
...thats why I said they should do their own spin on it, like also focusing more on the source material instead of Tangled.ย  Noone needs the EXACT same movie in a live Action format like Lion King, Mermaid or Beast remakes were. Thats why Cinderella 2015 is beloved as its a remake of the fairytale with tiny ticks of Disneys version with the songs and Mice. Its not depending on disneys version, its an independent standalone film. Make Rapunzel a farmers daughter, cut the magic hair aspect, have them in the tower for 80% of the movie and New songs or Cut the songs altogether and you dont have to associate it with Tangled anymore. :eye:

I personally dont mind them cutting the songs as Tangled doesntย quite have a daring Soundtrack (but loooove When Will my Life Begins reprise because it sounds so timeless and iconic even the Instrumental alone) but seeing the huge musical potential Menken delivered in the Series, i would only celebrate NEW songs from him :frog: ๐Ÿ’‹
Pokenonbinary wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 12, 2024 5:34 am Ariana is likely taking the Oscar for best supporting (not just my opinion, she's the frontrunner) and that is good for singers and any actor
if she does, then theres gonna be an upcoming huge wave of musical movies starring Pop singers (in a good and bad way)
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Doesn't it make you sad that this might be Alan Menken's final movie at Disney?
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Farerb wrote: โ†‘Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:30 pm Doesn't it make you sad that this might be Alan Menken's final movie at Disney?
Unless Disney decides to have him make the music for Moana 3, if they feel Lin-Manuel Miranda not making memorable enough songs for Mufasa: The Lion King might make them think twice about bringing him back.
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