Snow White (Live-Action)

[Vlad]

Allow me to quote the ever so lovely Rachel Zegler, "does it matter?" The content speaks for itself, this is how she thinks. It's irrelevant where it came from.

[PatchofBlue]

Context is always important. Hard stop. There are a lot of ways you can distort a person's message, many of which don't even include doctoring footage or anything fancy like that. For Zegler, all it seems to take is cutting a video message of her responding to some unspecified audience about leaving her alone, and captioning it with "see how she reacts to any and all criticism?" to paint her as an entitled brat. Do we even know who Zegler is supposed to be directing her thoughts to in that video? Certainly she has been subjected to the worst of the internet, including online death threats. Does she not get to bite back at those groups at all?

I don't remember her ever even saying anything about Disney fans specifically. In that Cosmopolitan article where she's reacting to the backlash, she didn't really even say anything about Disney fans calling her out for not respecting the animated film. She talked about being freaked out when strangers started pounding on her door, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be alarmed by and something that the discourse needs to reckon with. She may have said something in the Variety article, but what I remember was mostly just PR razzle-dazzle rather than full-on denial.

I know that a lot of us here are fans of Lindsey Ellis, and I see some parallels between her Twitter fallout and how the internet has chosen to react to Zegler. That initial tweet that condemned her got a range of responses, yes, but within that totality, there was a portion who were downright ugly to her. When Ellis pushed back against that specific segment of people who were blaming her for hate crimes--and specified she was pushing back against people who were blaming her for hate crimes--the entirety of the internet doubled down on her. There were some very similar lines about her not taking accountability when she was being full-on violated. The default justification seemed to be, "What's she doing complaining? I wasn't blaming her for hate crimes," and it's just like ... "then honey, she wasn't talking about you. Just go home." At that point, people were just leaving angry yelp reviews to a party they weren't invited to, all while refusing to see the full range of the abuse she was fighting off, and I think something very similar is happening with Zegler.

Anyway, if Zegler really feels this way about the original Snow White, that's a bummer, but I'd honestly rather she just leave her comments standing and dance around them instead of waffling out some empty apology for PR. I will not be pandered to.

[D82]

Someone uploaded a clear, HD version of the trailer on a YouTube fan account. Clearly, that person had access to the original file, so it's either someone who works for Disney or partners with them. It's ridiculous Disney has yet to share the trailer on any their official accounts online. It's unprecedented. Are they really that afraid of it getting downvoted? Downvotes are not even publicly visible anymore. You need to install an extension to see them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7GwmoVHLag

It's now been uploaded it in even higher resolution. I think it's a good trailer, though most likely I won't like the actual movie. Yeah, it's strange that it's playing in theaters in front of Wicked, but Disney hasn't released it online yet. I've read there were some copyright issues with some of the music or something, but that doesn't make much sense.

Some fans noticed some interesting details about it:
https://x.com/picharako/status/1860901491512336519
https://x.com/picharako/status/1860462233647472837

The leaked poster has also been spotted now in some theater.

Also, according to the Twitter fan account Snow White News, actress Lorena Andrea will indeed play Snow White's mother and her, the king and young Snow White will sing or be involved in a musical number in the village.

[Pokenonbinary]

Guys, have you seen this?

https://x.com/i/status/1859368433558880433

I just can't....she's so insufferable.

This is a very good video, you guys just hate her for existing



Also to use something from "End Wokeness" an OPENLY neonazi twitter account... this forum will never stop surprising me, how can so many Disney fans be such bigots when Disney movies teach the opposite

[Vlad]

Context is always important. Hard stop. There are a lot of ways you can distort a person's message, many of which don't even include doctoring footage or anything fancy like that. For Zegler, all it seems to take is cutting a video message of her responding to some unspecified audience about leaving her alone, and captioning it with "see how she reacts to any and all criticism?" to paint her as an entitled brat. Do we even know who Zegler is supposed to be directing her thoughts to in that video? Certainly she has been subjected to the worst of the internet, including online death threats. Does she not get to bite back at those groups at all?

I don't remember her ever even saying anything about Disney fans specifically. In that Cosmopolitan article where she's reacting to the backlash, she didn't really even say anything about Disney fans calling her out for not respecting the animated film. She talked about being freaked out when strangers started pounding on her door, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be alarmed by and something that the discourse needs to reckon with. She may have said something in the Variety article, but what I remember was mostly just PR razzle-dazzle rather than full-on denial.

I know that a lot of us here are fans of Lindsey Ellis, and I see some parallels between her Twitter fallout and how the internet has chosen to react to Zegler. That initial tweet that condemned her got a range of responses, yes, but within that totality, there was a portion who were downright ugly to her. When Ellis pushed back against that specific segment of people who were blaming her for hate crimes--and specified she was pushing back against people who were blaming her for hate crimes--the entirety of the internet doubled down on her. There were some very similar lines about her not taking accountability when she was being full-on violated. The default justification seemed to be, "What's she doing complaining? I wasn't blaming her for hate crimes," and it's just like ... "then honey, she wasn't talking about you. Just go home." At that point, people were just leaving angry yelp reviews to a party they weren't invited to, all while refusing to see the full range of the abuse she was fighting off, and I think something very similar is happening with Zegler.

Anyway, if Zegler really feels this way about the original Snow White, that's a bummer, but I'd honestly rather she just leave her comments standing and dance around them instead of waffling out some empty apology for PR. I will not be pandered to.

I simply refuse to believe that she has received death threats. I think she is simply playing the victim card yet again. She just doesn’t want to take responsibility for what she said and how she acted. She has been extremely insufferable, with everything she posted on social media. I’m sorry, but she brought this on herself. I mean, she said she wished that Trump supporters and Trump himself would never have peace, what a crappy thing to say. I don’t have any sympathy for her at all.

[Disney's Divinity]

This is a very good video, you guys just hate her for existing



Also to use something from "End Wokeness" an OPENLY neonazi twitter account... this forum will never stop surprising me, how can so many Disney fans be such bigots when Disney movies teach the opposite

How would a non-Disney fan know what Disney movies teach anyway? And anyway, may not agree with Sicoe on everything, but they're undeniably nicer than you, that's for sure, so I'm not sure what room you have to be lecturing anyone here or anywhere.
Anyway, personally I've never thought Gal Gadot was a bad actress; she was always the only thing to look forward to about this project.

TBH, I thought the teaser was better. The official trailer makes it more clear how different it all it is. It feels very weird to see the Queen and SW speaking together--or even being in the same scene together--when they never inreract in the original aside from the whole Hag facade. The dynamic doesn't exist, so they had to create it entirely; it's hard to imagine the Queen from the animated film talking to her like that or at all really. And the Dwarfs turned out terrible, of course, about like the fairies in Maleficent. I don't feel either way about the song. I'm sure it'll be fine for what it is, but sit odd next to the original songs.

[Thumper_93]

I didn't like the scene of them talking. I don't find it necessary. Snow White's story is simple and trying to add things is a mistake. We have seen lots of adaptations before and we are not going to find anything new in this one. If they wanted to make something new then they should have addapted how the Queen tries to kill her three times like in the original fairy tale.
I also missed Snow White's innocence in the trailer. This version looks like another generic warrior princess and I'm tired of this kind of characters.

[Disney Duster]

Even though I like the trailer, and where the film is headed, am I the only one who not only recognizes "take back the kingdom from the Queen" is from Once Upon a Time like Farerb said, but also from Mirror Mirror and Snow White and the Huntsman? I do not mind they are doing it, but maybe they should have gone the traditional, Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast route, similar to what Thumper said?

[Thumper_93]

Even though I like the trailer, and where the film is headed, am I the only one who not only recognizes "take back the kingdom from the Queen" is from Once Upon a Time like Farerb said, but also from Mirror Mirror and Snow White and the Huntsman? I do not mind they are doing it, but maybe they should have gone the traditional, Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast route, similar to what Thumper said?

Yes, all the things that they've used are not new. They have a problem if they thought that people were going to be surprsied with the plot that they've created.
Do we have to be surprised to see Snow White riding a horse or talking with the Queen? We saw it like 10 years ago. They should've made something more traditional as you said. Cinderella was the same story as always but including new good things and BATB too but it did it worst.

[Pokenonbinary]

Context is always important. Hard stop. There are a lot of ways you can distort a person's message, many of which don't even include doctoring footage or anything fancy like that. For Zegler, all it seems to take is cutting a video message of her responding to some unspecified audience about leaving her alone, and captioning it with "see how she reacts to any and all criticism?" to paint her as an entitled brat. Do we even know who Zegler is supposed to be directing her thoughts to in that video? Certainly she has been subjected to the worst of the internet, including online death threats. Does she not get to bite back at those groups at all?

I don't remember her ever even saying anything about Disney fans specifically. In that Cosmopolitan article where she's reacting to the backlash, she didn't really even say anything about Disney fans calling her out for not respecting the animated film. She talked about being freaked out when strangers started pounding on her door, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be alarmed by and something that the discourse needs to reckon with. She may have said something in the Variety article, but what I remember was mostly just PR razzle-dazzle rather than full-on denial.

I know that a lot of us here are fans of Lindsey Ellis, and I see some parallels between her Twitter fallout and how the internet has chosen to react to Zegler. That initial tweet that condemned her got a range of responses, yes, but within that totality, there was a portion who were downright ugly to her. When Ellis pushed back against that specific segment of people who were blaming her for hate crimes--and specified she was pushing back against people who were blaming her for hate crimes--the entirety of the internet doubled down on her. There were some very similar lines about her not taking accountability when she was being full-on violated. The default justification seemed to be, "What's she doing complaining? I wasn't blaming her for hate crimes," and it's just like ... "then honey, she wasn't talking about you. Just go home." At that point, people were just leaving angry yelp reviews to a party they weren't invited to, all while refusing to see the full range of the abuse she was fighting off, and I think something very similar is happening with Zegler.

Anyway, if Zegler really feels this way about the original Snow White, that's a bummer, but I'd honestly rather she just leave her comments standing and dance around them instead of waffling out some empty apology for PR. I will not be pandered to.

I simply refuse to believe that she has received death threats. I think she is simply playing the victim card yet again. She just doesn’t want to take responsibility for what she said and how she acted. She has been extremely insufferable, with everything she posted on social media. I’m sorry, but she brought this on herself. I mean, she said she wished that Trump supporters and Trump himself would never have peace, what a crappy thing to say. I don’t have any sympathy for her at all.

You refuse to believe that the most hated celebrity by right wing people around the planet (not just the USA) didn't received any serious death threats?

Literally random youtubers with 200k followers receive attacks and death threats, why wouldn't Rachel?

This forum hates her so much it's crazy

I used to hate her because she said stupid comments about how she didn't needed to do anything to be hispanic (not eat the food, speak the language, practice the traditions, being born there, have connection to the people) and some other stupid videos she made back then when she was 17-18-19 (I ended up liking her after Lucy Gray)

But you guys don't hate her for valid reasons, just for existing, like she can say anything and right wing people will hate completely what she said.

Anyways SHE'S A SUCCESFUL ACTRESS

Yes, she had Shazam 2 flop (critics and audiences disliked it plus bad box office) but she had WSS being critically good (not good box office) plus awards season) and Hunger Games had good strong legs (many trades attributed that to her being great in the movie)

And got the role of Snow White among many other roles, she did all that in her first 5 years of being an actress.

She's probably the only actress that is not a nepobaby that has been so successful in terms of booking roles (and yes, Rachel is not nepo at all, her dad has a comfortable job so she's not a poor girl, but doesn't have any connection to the movie or theater industry)

[Disney's Divinity]

It's not just right wing people who dislike her personality and you aren't an arbiter of what "valid" reasons for disliking someone or something are. I think she has a good voice, that's about all. I don't think she's a bad actress, but not a notable one either--she wasn't strong enough to carry the final scenes of WSS from what I recall, fine in the rest of it though.

I believe every celebrity or famous person in existence has received death threats and from different directions (Rowling comes to mind). I'm sure she's probably getting extra at the moment because the Right have a bull's-eye on Disney in general these days and she's starring in another of the remakes with a controversial racebend (this time with a character named for her White skin...), but it's hard for me to believe it's a commonplace thing.

[Thumper_93]

Hunger games is the only thing that she made that was successful and she even wasn't the main character in the film. The rest of her career is a box office flop so don't try to pretend that she's a star that makes studios earn tons of money because that's not true.
And we are free to give our opinions about her just as you do.If I don't like her behaviour I'm gonna say it because I'm free to talk without having someone telling me how bad person I am for it. You are not better than teh rest of us. You should learn that your truth is not the only one. You are always talking bad about the rest of the forum and nobody did anything to you so there's no way to justify your behaviour.

[Pokenonbinary]

Hunger games is the only thing that she made that was successful and she even wasn't the main character in the film. The rest of her career is a box office flop so don't try to pretend that she's a star that makes studios earn tons of money because that's not true.
And we are free to give our opinions about her just as you do.If I don't like her behaviour I'm gonna say it because I'm free to talk without having someone telling me how bad person I am for it. You are not better than teh rest of us. You should learn that your truth is not the only one. You are always talking bad about the rest of the forum and nobody did anything to you so there's no way to justify your behaviour.

"The rest of her career" she just has 3 theatrical movies released

One of them released during a pandemic and the other one is from a dead cinematic universe (literally James Gunn said in January of that year that they were going to reboot everything and Shazam 2 wouldn't matter at all)

As I said Shazam 2 is her only flop critical and box office

[bruno_wbt]

I'm worried about the songs... How many original songs will they have left in the movie?

- So far we know that "Waiting on a Wish" is replacing "I'm Wishing"

- And we know that "Whistle While You Work" and "Heigh-Ho" are going to be there.

- We can assume that "Some Day My Prince Will Come" is going to be cut because of the romantic theme...

- But what about "With a Smile and a Song"? I love that song, I hope they kept it!

- And "The Silly Song" or "The Dwarf's Washing Song"?

[Farerb]

I read that "With a Smile and a Song" is in the movie.

[tsom]

Did you guys really think they were going to go through the whole movie and not have Snow White and the Queen interact at all? Like, come on. Also, Cinderella never rode a horse in the original film, but she rode a horse in the live-action remake. Why is it bad now that Snow White is riding a horse? This is not the film being woke or girl boss or whatever. It's common sense that a princess who is the rightful heir to the throne would want to get back her kingdom from her tyrannical stepmother, who is a usurper to the throne. Then of course she would need the help of Jonathan, his bandits, and her dwarf friends to reclaim her rightful place as queen.

Moreover, we all know these remakes expand on things that their animated counterpart left out, so this film will naturally expand on several plot points. Just think of Snow White like the Cinderella live-action remake. The same story, but expanded into a fantasy period drama. They're practically similar fairy tales.

It's very believable that RZ gets death threats. Even random people on Twitter get death threats. People are truly crazy out here.

Oh, and I feel like the hairstyle is not Snow White's choice. If you saw the leaked trailer, you'll see that Young Snow White has long hair. It's very possible that the Queen makes SW cut it for her to look ugly on purpose. That's my theory with the hairstyle.

[bruno_wbt]

I read that "With a Smile and a Song" is in the movie.

I really hope so! It's my favorite song!

[Thumper_93]

Did you guys really think they were going to go through the whole movie and not have Snow White and the Queen interact at all? Like, come on. Also, Cinderella never rode a horse in the original film, but she rode a horse in the live-action remake. Why is it bad now that Snow White is riding a horse? This is not the film being woke or girl boss or whatever. It's common sense that a princess who is the rightful heir to the throne would want to get back her kingdom from her tyrannical stepmother, who is a usurper to the throne. Then of course she would need the help of Jonathan, his bandits, and her dwarf friends to reclaim her rightful place as queen.

Moreover, we all know these remakes expand on things that their animated counterpart left out, so this film will naturally expand on several plot points. Just think of Snow White like the Cinderella live-action remake. The same story, but expanded into a fantasy period drama. They're practically similar fairy tales.

It's very believable that RZ gets death threats. Even random people on Twitter get death threats. People are truly crazy out here.

Oh, and I feel like the hairstyle is not Snow White's choice. If you saw the leaked trailer, you'll see that Young Snow White has long hair. It's very possible that the Queen makes SW cut it for her to look ugly on purpose. That's my theory with the hairstyle.

We are not saying that the changes that they are making are bad. We are saying that we've already seen these things in the previous versions of Snow White that were made some years ago. I have the feeling that they are trying to sell us a movie with lots of new things when they didn't showed us anything new at all.
About the queen and SW having a relationship this is something that we don't need. The queens hates her so I don't think that she would like to spend time with SW. I'm not saying that I don't like it but I think that it's not neccessary at all.
I do have to say that I don't like all the plot of SW trying to take her kingdom back and the fact that she's more like a heroine in this version. Snow White's personality is very charming and I think that not all the heroines must be powerful and strong. I didn't see anything from the original SW in the trailer and that's the only thing that I didn't liked it. We know that they used to change the characters in these LA versions but if you see Jasmine or Cinderella you are going to find at least some things that reminds you to the originals one.

[DisneyFan09]

The leaked poster has also been spotted now in some theater.

That was a beautiful poster. But it`s remarkable how Disney haven`t released it yet.

Also, according to the Twitter fan account Snow White News, actress Lorena Andrea will indeed play Snow White's mother and her, the king and young Snow White will sing or be involved in a musical number in the village.

Thanks for the information. But due to the famous staple of the dead mother to a Disney Princess, she`ll most likely won`t have a huge part in this picture. She`ll most likely going to have a brief part in the beginning, just as with Kenneth Branagh`s Cinderella.

On the other hand, it`s really noteworthy how this remake is just simply called after Snow White herself. And not Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Which makes me wonder if the dwarfs themselves are going to play a lesser part in this version.

[Lukas1986]

Wait, they really have removed The Silly Song from the movie?
I thought so, since she's already dancing with the dwarves in Whistle While You Work.
Very sad indeed They have made so many changes, that the message and spirit of Snow White is completely gone.