Moana 2

[Pokenonbinary]

I keep thinking this will get bad reviews, but like Frozen 2 that got a A- cinemascore (a bad score for kids animated movies, Wish and Ruby Gilman got the same one) I think the movie will still do well

I don't know if a billion but around the same money that the first one did

It won’t get bad reviews, PB. Just stop.

Also, Sotiris, that could just be another Pixar Spark Short, don’t expect that to be another theatrical short from WDAS, otherwise we would have heard about it at Annecy.

As I said Frozen II got a bad cinemascore

And we come from Strange World and Wish

Considering the movie was a TV show until last December...

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

It won’t get bad reviews, PB. Just stop.

Also, Sotiris, that could just be another Pixar Spark Short, don’t expect that to be another theatrical short from WDAS, otherwise we would have heard about it at Annecy.

As I said Frozen II got a bad cinemascore

And we come from Strange World and Wish

Considering the movie was a TV show until last December...

STOP with your lying.

Frozen 2 got a decent CS. An A- is not bad compared to a B.

Also the decision was made in November.

Again, knock it off with your negativity.

Moana 2 will not get bad reviews. And that's FINAL.

Now KEEP. YOUR MOUTH SHUT. OK?!?

GOD!

[D82]

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Here's also some more clip art of Moana and the other characters we already knew:

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[Pokenonbinary]

As I said Frozen II got a bad cinemascore

And we come from Strange World and Wish

Considering the movie was a TV show until last December...

STOP with your lying.

Frozen 2 got a decent CS. An A- is not bad compared to a B.

Also the decision was made in November.

Again, knock it off with your negativity.

Moana 2 will not get bad reviews. And that's FINAL.

Now KEEP. YOUR MOUTH SHUT. OK?!?

GOD!

Stop and relax, it's just a freaking kids movie, you don't need to be so exhalted about someone saying it might flop

And as I said A- is bad for animated kids movies

Or you think Wish and Ruby Gillman were well received by the audience?

[D82]

Two new book covers featuring Moana and Simea. They're using the sisters a lot in merch, right? I like that they gave Moana a little sister. There aren't many female Disney leads who have little siblings. If I remember correctly, Mulan had a little brother in earlier versions of the script. And of course, there's Anna and Elsa, but there's not a big age difference between the two.


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The back covers of two books also reveal new synopses and Nalo, the god of storms, in mentioned in both:

Long ago, the god Nalo hid the island of Motufetu in order to divide humans, scattering people to the four corners of the ocean... When Moana receives a vision of her ancestor, the explorer gathers a crew and sets off in search of this lost place!

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Moana is now an explorer! When she receives a vision from her ancestor, she sets off on an adventure to find the island of Motufetu, hidden by the terrible god Nalo. Helped by Maui and a new crew, the young woman will face monsters, storms and an angry god.

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Lastly, the first pages of a couple of French books have been revealed. There's not much new info, but if anyone wants to read them here's a translation of the text:

One morning, after setting foot on a new island, the courageous Vaiana blows long into her conch in the hope of finding other peoples. Once again, alas, no answer reaches her.
-One day, someone will hear us... I am sure of it! sighs the explorer.

Suddenly, the young woman hears a voice calling her.
-Moana! Simea exclaims happily, jumping into her big sister's arms.
After kissing the little girl, Moana confides her discovery to her parents.
- What does it mean? Simea asks.
To answer her, Moana takes her to the Explorers' Cave.

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Moana, the navigator, heads for her island Motunui. She is impatient to show the other inhabitants the vase she found during her last voyage. Indeed, the pottery is decorated with a mysterious design.

In Motunui, everyone lives in harmony. Each one occupies a specific function, corresponding to their talents. Thus, Moni is the storyteller and historian of the village, Loto is a canoe maker. As for Kele, the grumpy old farmer, he's in charge of the plantations!

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[Disney's Divinity]

I kind of like what was in the trailer of the two as sisters. While there's been Nani-Lilo and Anna-Elsa, their dynamic doesn't feel anything like those two even though the age gap is similar to Nani-Lilo. This film's still a question mark for me. I expect it to be worse than the first because it's a sequel and was a TV series (and M&C aren't involved, and I'm not sure if there's any music either?). Then again, Lasseter blandified the original so much, perhaps just the fact that there's a little more risk allowed story-wise could make it more of an interesting watch than the first, who knows. Then again, Wish did seem to follow the same strategy of Moana as far as sanding off all edges (I see elements in both films that would've made them great stories if they'd been explored more), so maybe that's not something to bet on happening.

[blackcauldron85]

and I'm not sure if there's any music either?).

The music is by
Mark Mancina, Opetaia Foaʻi, Abigail Barlow, & Emily Bear.

There's a video from D23 of Auli'i singing a song from the film:

Full D23 presentation including Auli'i performing one of the new songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CoDWWJgN4g

[Disney's Divinity]

Ah, good to know! I wonder how this soundtrack will end up standing next to the original's. I do like "How Far I'll Go" even though I tend to listen to Cara's version most of the time, hopefully she gets a few more solos here.

[D82]

New book covers from Spain:


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I kind of like what was in the trailer of the two as sisters. While there's been Nani-Lilo and Anna-Elsa, their dynamic doesn't feel anything like those two even though the age gap is similar to Nani-Lilo.

Oh, it's true; there's also Nani and Lilo! I can't believe I forgot about them. They're even Polynesian like Moana and her sister. But I agree their dynamic feels different, plus the older sister is the protagonist here, while it was the opposite in Lilo & Stitch.

This film's still a question mark for me. I expect it to be worse than the first because it's a sequel and was a TV series (and M&C aren't involved, and I'm not sure if there's any music either?).

I feel the same way about the movie. I wonder how Musker and Clements feel about it. Well, several of their films have gotten sequels and TV series they weren't involved with, so perhaps they're used to it, but this is the first one made by WDAS themselves and therefore it's more of an official sequel or more canon, so to speak.

[Thumper_93]

Moana looks way better than she looked when the first movie came out. They improved the design in my opinion. Maybe I'll buy the spanish "gran libro de la película"

[DisneyFan09]

Two new book covers featuring Moana and Simea. They're using the sisters a lot in merch, right? I like that they gave Moana a little sister. There aren't many female Disney leads who have little siblings. If I remember correctly, Mulan had a little brother in earlier versions of the script. And of course, there's Anna and Elsa, but there's not a big age difference between the two.

Well, Belle was going to have a little sister as well. And both Nala and Pocahontas were going to have a little brothers, who were discarded.

[Pokenonbinary]

Two new book covers featuring Moana and Simea. They're using the sisters a lot in merch, right? I like that they gave Moana a little sister. There aren't many female Disney leads who have little siblings. If I remember correctly, Mulan had a little brother in earlier versions of the script. And of course, there's Anna and Elsa, but there's not a big age difference between the two.

Well, Belle was going to have a little sister as well. And both Nala and Pocahontas were going to have a little brothers, who were discarded.

Something I dislike from Disney movies set in the past in the only child trope, like that doesn't make any sense in that time context

Specially in Tangled, why would the monarchy not try to have another heir after their daughter is kidnapped as a baby (they had 18 years)

It's just a lazy way of not writing extra characters, like they dont need to have character development, just be there

[UmbrellaFish]

But Rapunzel’s birth was very traumatic. I think the movie implies that it was too dangerous for Rapunzel’s parents to try for another child.

I mean, historically, I guess you could argue that a royal couple might keep trying until a male heir was born or the wife died in the attempt. And certainly, there’d be some rival claimant to the throne— maybe a Richard, Duke of York or Mary, Queen of Scots figure. In real life, someone claiming to be a long lost heir returning to take the throne would have sparked serious conflict (see Perkin Warbeck).

But Disney movies are fairy tales, not history. The simplicity of having fewer character makes for more, IMO, effective (and more efficient) storytelling. You say the siblings could just be there for history’s sake, no need to develop their characters, but then, what really is their point? Besides, if you want to talk historicity— the sheer amount of morganatic marriages in Disney movies would be enough to make a 19th century monarch’s head spin!

[Pokenonbinary]

They can make a family friendly version of a royal family, like in Brave where they have 4 kids, 3 are from the same birth so you get the family friendly version instead of making the mother be a baby maker like they were in real life monarchies

Some cultures had 15-20 kids since most would die but also because they were small communities and needed to grow fast

My auntie had 13 kids from 13 different births, and she's not a monarch (duh) back in the day people used to have many kids unless they had some type of medical problem

So I guess Tangled can be justified with the mother health condition

Basically what I'm saying is that I know Disney will not make 15 kids in a family but like at least 3 kids

[Mooky]

Most of their fairytale movies are based on pre-existing source material too, so while they may not be historically accurate, they’re accurate to the oral tradition. The same reason why Disney protagonists are often motherless/fatherless applies here — as UF said, it simplifies and streamlines the plot. Unless the sibling relationship is the focus of the narrative (like in Lilo & Stitch), there’s no point in introducing it. Merida’s brothers, other than the novelty of it all, don’t really add anything to the plot, and I’m afraid Moana’s baby sister will be the same — just a cute character to make baby dolls/toys out of.

[Pokenonbinary]

Most of their fairytale movies are based on pre-existing source material too, so while they may not be historically accurate, they’re accurate to the oral tradition. The same reason why Disney protagonists are often motherless/fatherless applies here — as UF said, it simplifies and streamlines the plot. Unless the sibling relationship is the focus of the narrative (like in Lilo & Stitch), there’s no point in introducing it. Merida’s brothers, other than the novelty of it all, don’t really add anything to the plot, and I’m afraid Moana’s baby sister will be the same — just a cute character to make baby dolls/toys out of.

A character doesn't need to serve any purpose to the plot, just existing there is a valid reason

Like a town with no villagers, they don't have to serve anything to the plot, but them not being there would make the movie feel empty

[PatchofBlue]

You need to fill out a character's setting to impart that they live in a community, but a sibling or redundant parent comes with specific ties to the protagonist. A little sister for Belle would come with expectations to be shaping her story that wouldn't be there for shopkeeper #24. If we introduce that little Suzie is hanging around the cottage while Maurice is looking for Belle while she's off doing her stuff, I'm distracted wondering who on earth is taking care of this girl and all sorts of other questions. The villagers in Beauty and the Beast, meanwhile, function basically as a single body in that story just so that when the plot tells us "Belle feels out of place among her community," we have in-universe evidence that illustrates this, and that's all we need from them. Even Ariel's sisters in The Little Mermaid end up serving a very similar purpose. Ariel doesn't really interact with them at all. They're mostly just there to set up a contrast for how Ariel is Triton's "problem child."

Given how few plot details we have for Moana 2 right now (which is incredible seeing how the movie comes out in little over two months), it's perfectly possible that she plays some role that is not yet clear yet and may not until we see the full movie. I mean ... she could also just be a clumsy addition with no real purpose that was thoughtlessly added in for merchandising. We'll have to wait and see.

I also agree that Disney movies are fairy-tales, not textbooks. If we start asking questions about succession politics and whatnot, the whole enterprise just collapses.

[Pokenonbinary]

We need a behind the scenes documentary like the Frozen 2 one for Moana 2, the change from TV show to a full movie in less than one year has to be the most stressful moment in disney animation history (at least in the last 30 years)

[DisneyFan09]

Well, Belle was going to have a little sister as well. And both Nala and Pocahontas were going to have a little brothers, who were discarded.

Something I dislike from Disney movies set in the past in the only child trope, like that doesn't make any sense in that time context

Specially in Tangled, why would the monarchy not try to have another heir after their daughter is kidnapped as a baby (they had 18 years)

It's just a lazy way of not writing extra characters, like they dont need to have character development, just be there

Well, the thing is that I didn`t dislike that trope, but it became derivative and homogenous after a while. It`s understandable to have a single child or a single parent trope, for economy of having less characters. But it`s also nice to break from that trope in a while. Belle`s little sister was discarded to stress Belle`s independence. And Pocahontas` brother Pochins (who was her brother in real life) was deleted in order to stress the love story. But it would`ve been nice to see that trope changed in the Renaissance films, cause it would`ve been a nice cue to see that.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

We need a behind the scenes documentary like the Frozen 2 one for Moana 2, the change from TV show to a full movie in less than one year has to be the most stressful moment in disney animation history (at least in the last 30 years)

Again, it’s not, when the story is staying the same. It’s not as stressful as having to change and rework Aladdin a year before release