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Sotiris wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:35 am "Allegedly, they have sunk nearly $400 million in production of the film (not including marketing), but many believe they just might get a win with another Barbie-style box office sensation."
Lol the delusion :oops:
Barbie is an iconic figure so her first big theatrical Film was a guranteed Hit, it had a good message (that could have been executed less aggressive imo but it crossed its point)
While this is another of countless remakes of a beloved classic that didnt need polishing or updating in the first place, big budget is impressive, but its gonna flop (hopefully :milkbuds: ).

Again, im latino myself, but seeing "Snow WHITE" being played by a brown skinned woman is so wrong, shes Literally named after her White as snow skin :roll: (eternal eyeroll)

I hope they will cancel it because my nose smells the biggest upcoming live Action Box office failure, so they can save their last few production and Marketing costs.

They can then make an interesting disney plus original docu titled: "the fairest (flop) that almost was" and basically spilling what that remake was suppose to look like. Everyone would go "ah yeah this would have been horrible" and disney would be glad that they scrapped it. Meh. Meh
Sotiris wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:35 am The idea is that by going “soft woke” they can drive mothers and daughters to the box office but simultaneously stay away from hyper controversies that destroyed Lightyear. Strange World and more.
mhh if i remember correctly, Wish had no controversial elements and played it too save...and was STILL a flop?? :shock: :? :o yeah Strange World and Lightyear having small gay scenes had nothing to do with their flop Performances...its because those movies were boring af
Sotiris wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:35 am Disney thinks they finally have a winner on their hands and they’re going to drive it towards female audiences as hard as they can.
Theres this one new female empowerment flop song by THE Katy Perry, "Womans World" with generic lyrics that say nothing else than "girl power" and thats Literally it, it makes "this Wish" sound like pure Poetry...
I think that would be a fantastic end credit song for Snow White :woot:

Cant wait to see Snow awake herself from the poisoned Apple through Girlpower and Team up with the Evil Queen to Beat the shit out of the prince as he was entitled enough to save her 8)
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1. When did you get hot? :mickana: (Sabrina Carpenter)*new
2.House Tour (𝖲𝖺𝖻𝗋𝗂𝗇𝖺 𝖢𝖺𝗋𝗉𝖾𝗇𝗍𝖾𝗋)*new
3. Tears (Sabri- Carpen-)*new
4. Sugar talking (...𝖲𝖺𝖻𝗋𝗂𝗇𝖺 𝖢𝖺𝗋𝗉𝖾𝗇𝗍𝖾𝗋!) *new
5. 9 to 5 (Dolly Parton)
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The Disneynerd wrote: Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:26 pm
I hope they will cancel it because my nose smells the biggest upcoming live Action Box office failure, so they can save their last few production and Marketing costs.
You kidding? After all Disney has put me through watching this dumpster fire all these years, you better bet I have earned the right to look this film in the eye and give it its due roasting.
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A friend of mine sent me these pics on Facebook. I don't know if they're real, but if they are, that is the ugliest costume I have ever seen. I think it's maybe her scullery maid costume, but it's awful. Cinderella's was much, much better.
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Everything about this movie just screams disaster. I want to be excited for it, but I really think it's going to be a massive flop.
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I read somewhere that this pictures are from a vídeo made by IA
This movie would have made a similar box office like Cinderella. It had everything to be a success and they are not making a great work. Even the gown looks like a cheap cosplay.
How do you think that the teaser is going to look like? I think that it will be snow white searching for the dwarf's cottage, the camara following her behind while “with a smile and a sogn” sounds and just when she arrives to the cottage a foreground of her smiling.
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The scullery maid outfit pics look very fake.
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Disney Duster wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:17 am The scullery maid outfit pics look very fake.
I have a terrible feeling that the movie is going to look this way 🤣
Disney live action looks really bad except Cinderella. The effects looks cheap and the movies looks old even a year after the release. This one is going to have the same problem with the dwarfs.
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The article is not true. That website obviously has an agenda, so please take everything in it with a grain of salt.

The dwarfs were always meant to be part of the film. The sensitivity comes from whether to refer to them as such.

Young Snow White was always part of the movie. She wasn't just added during the second reshoots.

Of course there will be a big trailer attached to Moana 2. Every Disney live-action remake that is released in March always has a big trailer out in November of the previous year. This isn't inside knowledge. Plus, it makes sense to attach Snow White to Moana 2, Wicked, and Mufasa because of the musical aspect.

Snow White was always going to be gentle and kind. She also has her own "Have Courage and Be Kind" phrase.

The film will be a lush, colorful, big budget fairy tale musical. The uphill battle for this film will be the fact that Snow White is not as popular as the 90s princesses and beyond; however, If Disney plays their cards right, this film could reach Cinderella's level of success, if not Maleficent's.
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Thank you for the info and reassurance, tsom!
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tsom wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:20 pm The article is not true. That website obviously has an agenda, so please take everything in it with a grain of salt.

The dwarfs were always meant to be part of the film. The sensitivity comes from whether to refer to them as such.

Young Snow White was always part of the movie. She wasn't just added during the second reshoots.

Of course there will be a big trailer attached to Moana 2. Every Disney live-action remake that is released in March always has a big trailer out in November of the previous year. This isn't inside knowledge. Plus, it makes sense to attach Snow White to Moana 2, Wicked, and Mufasa because of the musical aspect.

Snow White was always going to be gentle and kind. She also has her own "Have Courage and Be Kind" phrase.

The film will be a lush, colorful, big budget fairy tale musical. The uphill battle for this film will be the fact that Snow White is not as popular as the 90s princesses and beyond; however, If Disney plays their cards right, this film could reach Cinderella's level of success, if not Maleficent's.
Okay ... what's your source, then?
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tsom wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:20 pm The article is not true. That website obviously has an agenda, so please take everything in it with a grain of salt.

The dwarfs were always meant to be part of the film. The sensitivity comes from whether to refer to them as such.

Young Snow White was always part of the movie. She wasn't just added during the second reshoots.

Of course there will be a big trailer attached to Moana 2. Every Disney live-action remake that is released in March always has a big trailer out in November of the previous year. This isn't inside knowledge. Plus, it makes sense to attach Snow White to Moana 2, Wicked, and Mufasa because of the musical aspect.

Snow White was always going to be gentle and kind. She also has her own "Have Courage and Be Kind" phrase.

The film will be a lush, colorful, big budget fairy tale musical. The uphill battle for this film will be the fact that Snow White is not as popular as the 90s princesses and beyond; however, If Disney plays their cards right, this film could reach Cinderella's level of success, if not Maleficent's.
Snow white is not going to be as successful as Cinderella or Maleficent because people hate what Rachel did. That's a fact. You only have to read people on social media to realize about how much people hate all about this movie.
Not even with The little mermaid they a achieved a great box office. People hated the cast from the movie and it was not a big success. It had more budget than Cinderella and they made a similar box office. We allí new that the movie was not going to make great Numbers because of people’s opinions.
If they didn't make great numbers with one of the most popular characters from all time then they are not going to make them with a less popular character.
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For what it’s worth, I’ve known tsom on this forum for a long time and have always known him to be trustworthy.

Honestly, I don’t know why people are so up in arms about changes being made in a modern adaptation of an 87 year old movie (I am talking about changes to Snow White and the Prince’s characters here, not the exclusion of the dwarfs which tsom tells us is untrue). That just seems normal to me? And there definitely are bad actors using this remake as a bludgeon to further their cultural crusades. I mean, who knew Ben Shapiro was such an OG Snow White stan? lol

I get that Rachel Zegler is also a lot, but she isn’t box office poison, either. The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes was a success.

Disney’s 2010’s box office model is failing all around, and this is a dinosaur of that*, so this movie will probably fail, too. But I just think there is also so much BS around this movie and agitators are making up rumors and using fans’ genuine love of the original to get rage bait clicks. And that pisses me off.

*Even songwriters Pasek and Paul sounded like a great idea when they were announced in 2016, but fast forward to post-Dear Evan Hansen movie, and that probably looks shakier, no? Sorry, I just had to get in a Pasek and Paul dig— I’ve never liked their work!
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UmbrellaFish wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 4:12 am I get that Rachel Zegler is also a lot, but she isn’t box office poison, either. The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes was a success.
That's the only Box office success that Rachel has. West side story was a flop and Shazam 2 was it too. The problem here is not the movies that Rachel made it's the way that she acted when people asked her about the movie and the original Snow White. She talked about the original character without respect. This movie is a classic that is still beloved after more than 80 years. People want to see an accurate new adaptation because if they want to see an alternative version they have other Snow white movies.
People also complain about the choice of Disney with Rachel. They see it as a woke action and people hate it. Rachel sings really good and She's not a bad actress but people don't see it because she doesn't look like the original Snow White. Halle made a good rol as Ariel and she couldn't made a great box office because people were not happy about her look. If you are going to make a live action movie from a beloved classic then people expect you to be as accurate as you can. Obviosuly they are going to change and add things but changing the whole story is not what public expect.
I don't know how the movie is going to look or if the story is going to be good enough. I wanna se it because I love Snow white but I'm still thinking that is going to be a flop.
Sorry for my english by the way! I try to explain as good as I can but it's not my first language! Thanks for your comprehension!
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Thumper_93, I appreciate your response and perspective, although I disagree with you. I enjoy talking about the Princess franchise, dolls, and theme parks with you so I hope our disagreement doesn’t discourage you from engaging in discussion with me in the future! Also, your English is fine and I can always understand it easily.

Listen, I get it. Rachel Zegler is a lot. I personally think sometimes she is unfairly criticized for saying the same talking points all other modern Disney actors have used, but there are other times when she just puts her foot in her mouth in ways uniquely her own.

I get that online, fans are very upset about stuff Rachel Zegler has said about Snow White. But I personally don’t think enough people care about that off-line to make an appreciable difference at the box office. I don’t think Rachel Zegler will make a difference at the box office one way or another because the “movie star” is dead. None of the fortunes of Zegler’s films have rested on her “box office clout” or lack thereof. It’s the health of the franchise that determines a (blockbuster) movie’s success now. Otherwise, Hunger Games would have flopped, too, because of Rachel. Snow White’s prospects look grim(m) because audiences are fatigued of Disney remakes.

Also… the accuracy thing… like when I look at pics of Rachel as Snow White, she looks the most like the animated character of all the remakes besides Jasmine. The costume is the same, barring the long sleeves. The hairstyle is the same. Like, I actually think Snow’s look is shockingly faithful to the OG Snow White. Almost too faithful, tbh! But I feel like everyone is willfully ignoring that, too. The race stuff is the race stuff… these are fairy tales, it doesn’t bother me when a Latina actress is playing a traditionally white, non-Hispanic role. And yeah, I do think it’s kind of weird and potentially racist when other people take issue with Rachel’s casting because of her race. I think there are valid arguments for and against Disney’s methods of bringing diversity to their films, but I think in the wake of Halle and Rachel’s castings we’ve seen so much racist discourse in online Disney spaces, it makes me sick.

The storyline’s accuracy? Well, we don’t really know much about that, most of it is just rumors. I can’t judge them until I see them in the finished film, but the credible rumors we’ve heard about all sound pretty in-line with other Disney remakes. I feel like almost every rumored change could be pointed back to a predecessor remake (developing the romance, empowering the female lead, changing the mechanism of the life saving kiss, removing a character’s birthright royalty). I understand fans don’t like story changes, and I understand a lot of fans are genuinely upset about these rumored changes (and people like Ben Shapiro are using fans for their own malicious purposes). Until TLM,* Disney remakes printed money with these kinds of changes. So I disagree that Snow White is unique is this regard, but these kinds of changes have maybe contributed to the general audiences’ fatigue and potential apathy for remakes. Rumors or not, half of these story changes any one of us could have predicted (and honestly, I think most of these gossip rags did just that!). It’s just de rigueur with these films.

All that to say, I guess, this remake will be more of the same. And it remains to be seen whether that works at the box office anymore.

*I feel like Mulan is an exception here, because that film was an experiment in a Western studio crafting a film specifically for Chinese audiences, and it predictably failed.
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Oh Unbrella it's just a movie! I appreciate you too! It is funny to read other opinions about it. It would be really boring if we all would have the same opinion!
I have a pic that I found on Twitter
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I don’t think I’ve seen that pic yet. Thank you for posting it, Thumper_93! I do not like her headdress, but it may work better on a real person and not a doll!

There is a collector’s doll of Snow White floating around and her cape is enormous. Have you seen it? Not sure if that is reflective of the actual costume design or if it’s exaggerated for the doll, but I want it when it is released. I love the capes in the animated film.
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I’m tired of reading that Rachel doesn’t look like the character she’s playing. If people didn’t know her ethnic background, they’d naturally (and correctly) assume she was a person of European descent. Her proudly stating she was a Latina is what invited all this ire and media lynching, and the movie itself being nitpicked beyond any legitimate reason.

Reshoots are normal. Script changes are normal.

“Snow White is named after snow.” Have people seen snow before? I’d like someone to point me to a living human being whose skin is the exact color of snow. Short of casting a person with albinism, there was never going to be anyone of even remotely similar skin complexion in the movie.

And when you take “skin as white as snow” literally, this is what you get:
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If you lay screencaps form Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and Beauty and the Beast next to each other, Snow White’s skin color is very much comparable to that of Cinderella, Belle and Aurora, aka any other Caucasian character.

Additionally, and I can’t believe I’m actually writing this, Snow White got her name when she was a newborn. Babies’ skin, particularly that of babies whose parents have darker skin, tends to be several shades lighter in their first few months before the actual pigment sets in. So even if in this version Snow White is meant to be an (God forbid!) olive-skinned Spaniard, there’s no reason she couldn’t have been named that way.

General audiences are made of more than Disney fanboys and right wing media consumers. Most people don’t know (or care!) about what Rachel said or didn’t say. Her comments will have no bearing on the financial success of the movie.

Even if she did show some egregious disrespect to the movie and the character, does it really matter? I’m sure nobody here, myself included, talks only nice things about their jobs and their bosses. What she says behind the camera and to the press is technically irrelevant, she’s obviously very opinionated and not media-trained. What ultimately matters is her performance in the actual movie and nobody here has seen any footage to declare it an absolute disaster. If looks and paying lip service to the original movie were crucial, Emma Watson would have killed it as Belle, and yet…

I’ve only seen Rachel in Shazam 2 and the Hunger Games prequel. I barely remember her from the former but she was pretty good in the latter, albeit a tiny bit too theatrical and hammy for my liking given the rest of the cast and the movie’s themes. I haven’t read the book so I don’t know if the character was supposed to be like that, but if she brings that same level of theatricality to Snow White as a role more suitable for it, she’ll do great.

This movie is never going to do BatB or TLK numbers, or even TLM numbers. Never. Come next year, people will try to blame it on the casting and “controversies” and how it would have made bank if only they had cast an undead vampiress with pearly white skin who kept her opinions to herself, but the simple fact is that Snow White is just not as popular property as we may think it is. It’s a historically and aesthetically significant piece of cinema and I love it to death, but not everyone is an animation enthusiast. Even on here among Disney fans, Snow White, her voice and her mannerisms were butts of many, many, MANY jokes (and there’s nothing wrong with that, she’s a fictional character. Even Jodi Benson imitates her voice in Enchanted!), so to insinuate Rachel is committing some sort of blasphemy against the movie by basically just existing is both inane and insane. If there’s anyone people should be angry with it’s Disney Corp. for even entertaining the idea of a Snow White remake, let alone actually greenlighting it.

Finally, people can always choose not to financially support the movie because it offends them oh so much, but we all know most of them will still have their butts in those theater seats.
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UmbrellaFish wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:44 am I don’t think I’ve seen that pic yet. Thank you for posting it, Thumper_93! I do not like her headdress, but it may work better on a real person and not a doll!

There is a collector’s doll of Snow White floating around and her cape is enormous. Have you seen it? Not sure if that is reflective of the actual costume design or if it’s exaggerated for the doll, but I want it when it is released. I love the capes in the animated film.
The collector doll that you talk about it's supossed to be the 17” limited edition doll. The cape is stunning and the details of the birds holding it is lovely. The dress looks really good. The only issue that i have with her is the skirt. It's very yellow in my opinion but I supossed that Disney wants it this way like they did with Cinderella's costume.
There is also a photo of the Mattel doll around internet and the quality is really well too. They improved the fabrics and the facemolds. The queen and her looks almost like collector's edition dolls. I don't know if they changed the qualities because Disney is not going to make regular dolls and Mattel is going to be the only one releasing them.
About what Monky san about olive spamirad skin i have to say that not all the spaniards have dark hair, olive skin and looks like gypsies. We used to be represented like this but it's topical. Like the paella or the bullfighting :lol:
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I've found the photos of Mattel's Snow White! I had it saved on my iCloud
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Oh, I haven’t seen those. Pretty!
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The movie is going to be released in March so I think that maybe we are start seeing merchandise by January. Disney store uses to release the merchandise about 6 weeks before the movie premiere and Mattel uses to do it a few months before too. The merchandise must be all made so they only have to distribute it.
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