Wish

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

I'd just like to point out that it's such a cop out to defeat a villain by singing a song. I don't recall any previous Disney villain defeated that way, that's something out of a TV show.

Dr. Facilier was defeated during a song in The Princess and the Frog.

[Farerb]

Dr. Facilier was defeated during a song in The Princess and the Frog.

Tiana didn't sing a song in order to defeat him.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

Dr. Facilier was defeated during a song in The Princess and the Frog.

Tiana didn't sing a song in order to defeat him.

Still was defeated in a song, regardless

[Farerb]

Still was defeated in a song, regardless

But that wasn't my point so I'm not sure what it has to do with anything?

[Sotiris]

I'd just like to point out that it's such a cop out to defeat a villain by singing a song. I don't recall any previous Disney villain defeated that way, that's something out of a TV show.

A preschool TV show, to be exact. Also, other characters taking part in the reprise of 'This Wish' really exemplified how empty Asha is as a character. Even her 'I Want' song which is supposed to be something very personal and tailored to the individual became common property because Asha has no real dreams or aspirations of her own.

[PatchofBlue]

I actually kinda liked Asha defeating the villain through a song in concept, and even teared up a little when I realized that's how they were playing it. I think I would have liked it MORE in a stronger movie and with a stronger song, but I think this is one of those rare moments where you see the movie actually living up to its promise to capture the core of every Disney movie. The Little Mermaid doesn't actually culminate with Ariel having a "Part of Your World" sing-off with Ursula, but the story is ultimately a battle between Ariel's ideology and Ursula's. I think that bringing that thematic undertone to the surface with song is a perfectly reasonable approach.

Anyways, Moana does kind of have its heroine defeat the bad guy with a song. "Know Who You Are" is playing as Moana confronts Te Ka just before she restores her to her true form. A little off-center from what we're talking about, but Wish's tactic isn't completely unprecedented in the Disney canon.

[Disney Duster]

It was that the people all connected to the star power in them (science says we all come from exploding stars from the birth of the universe), and they just did it while singing. It wasn't defeating a villain just by song.

[friendoftheotherside]

We knew he was developing a film for WDAS, but I don't think there was a thread about it yet. This was going to be his first film for the studio, but now of course, it'll be the second since he and Don Hall replaced the original directors of Raya and the Last Dragon.

Here are some details about the project he shares in this interview (in Spanish):

- It's a very personal film.
- He developed it from scratch (unlike Raya, where he was brought in mid-production).
- It'll be released in 2023.
- It's in full development right now and in a few months they'll start with storyboards, music, screenplay, etc.

Anyone knows what happened to this movie? Was López Estrada working on Wish all along? He’s credited as “ Additional Story Material” on Wish. But I couldn’t find anything about his involvement in the movie beyond that.

If he really were working on Wish, that contradicts what he said in that LA Times interview, since it wouldn’t be a personal film nor he developed it from scratch. The ideia for Wish came from Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck, at least that what was said in the press.

Were his movie and Wish being developed for the 100th anniversary (in some kind of a competition) and Wish won the spot? Or both projects were merged together? Was he replaced as Wish’s director?

[Farerb]

I rewached the film a couple of times with my brother's family and each time made me dislike the film even more. I'm sorry.

[friendoftheotherside]

I rewached the film a couple of times with my brother's family and each time made me dislike the film even more. I'm sorry.

If I may ask, Farerb, what you disliked about Wish?

For me, I have very mixed feelings about Wish. And part of the problem is how short the movie was. I think if they had 15/20 minutes more, they could’ve fleshed out some plot points better, especially the ending. Or maybe they could have cut some of the characters. Asha’s friends and family don’t have much to do, besides being reference to other things (seven dwarfs/WDAS 100th anniversary). I’m not very fondly of most of the easter-eggs, because it seemed so heavy handed, like that person dressed as Peter Pan

But there is some elements that I really liked. Like I’ve said in Tiana’s thread, I really liked the animation, because I don’t really like photorealistic CGI And the backgrounds were so beautiful. Also I really love some of the songs, especially At All Costs and This Wish (Reprise), and the scene in which the last one plays gave me goosebumps! I’m glad that we’ve got a new villain, instead of being family trauma or some force of nature. Yet the thing I loved the most about Wish is Star. It’s such a wonderful and cute character, symbolizing hope and good things. And in a way, Star also represents Walt’s quote about “keep moving foward”. At least, for me lol

[The Disneynerd]

New instsgram short comparing Encantos Abuelas and Magnificos motives, with Mirabels apology to her fitting both Magnifico and Abuela... interesting
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6GPvpNK ... hta2plcw==

If Disney wasnt too determine for the Fanservice of having a traditional unredeemable big bad again, he would have been easily forgiven as he only had good unselfish intentions and was less abusive than Bruja Abuela

I’m not very fondly of most of the easter-eggs, because it seemed so heavy handed, like that person dressed as Peter Pan

This was easily the worst one for me. It wasnt even a reference anymore, but a Cameo

Also really interesting how much Japan loves Magnifico and wanted him redeemed, that even the official Disney Japan Account praises him now. There were many Protests in Japan as they felt the character was done dirty and more https://www.instagram.com/p/C5wYattq7IW ... FpajAzcTdy

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Also the whole Wish narrative reminds me of the Musical "Twisted, the untold Story of a royal vizier" where disneys Aladdin gets told through the eyes of the good Jafar, who sees Aladdin as a troublemaker,  And this song raps it up perfectly, with the people of Agrabah letting their hatred out to Jafar because they can, saying that every bad thing in the kingdom is linked to him and singing they "need to dream a little harder" and their Wishes will automatically come true, which is all what Wish is in its core, only that this is a parody and Wish meant it serious https://youtu.be/icOdk4zcCxo?si=9OWKhQBDJujkf1Ju

But Unlike Wish I really enjoyed this musical, its really hilarious and also has its soft moments.

[DisneyJedi]

What I don’t comprehend is how people see Asha as the “true” villain when Magnifico is hoarding the wishes and won’t grant even the most harmless ones under the guise that the wish is “dangerous.” Hell, he’s the one who literally smashes the people’s wishes for power.

[Disney's Divinity]

Unfortunately, a lot of people choose to see the movie through political lens and politics involves a heavy dose of race-baiting and hatemongering these days. By that I mean that some people have a hard time accepting that the villain is White and the hero is Black for some reason. I don't see any way you can write Magnifico as the good guy when, like you said, he's essentially hoarding people's souls more or less. I guess I can see A.I. agreeing that the world would be a better place if everyone was dead and unfeeling inside, more easily controlled, like the one Magnifico leads.

I feel like the commentary around Wish is bombastic for the same reason (politics). To me, even its flaws aren't something I could feel strongly about, so it's hard to buy most of the talk around it being genuine. The film is very much in the "okay" zone, it's hard for me to feel too strongly about it. Except for the "I'm a Star" song, that moment / song was cringeworthy. Still, I think the film could possibly be looked at as the start of another uphill climb for WDAS, depending if the next film does even better. After all, Strange World left quite a pit for them to climb out of, I think I simply underestimated how much impact that film being poor affected WDAS, but the pandemic impacting the films before it probably made it being underwhelming have more impact, I suppose. Sort of a one-two punch that really put them in a ditch. I don't hate Strange World, but I wasn't surprised at its performance. The design was terrible and everything about it looked very uninteresting from the trailers. The future will tell if Wish might be looked as something that helped begin to lift them out of that zone, the way TLM and TP&TF did in the past.

[PatchofBlue]

People also just see Wish, and most of Disney's 2023 output, as an outlet for their general frustration toward the Disney company during its victory lap throughout the 2010s. Everyone who's been saying all along that Disney films are all just syrupy sentiment and no plotting are NOT missing their opportunity to broadcast their disdain for Wish. The dialogue around the movie's flaws (which are many, in my opinion) has kind of left an opening for just about anyone with a platform to throw rotten fruit at the film, and because everyone already agrees the movie is a "DIsAsTEr," people will just go and run with whatever gets lobbed at the movie, whether or not the points are valid.

[Sotiris]

Wish debuted at #4 on Nielsen's overall streaming chart and at #1 on the movie streaming chart.




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During its second week, Wish fell to #10 on Nielsen's overall streaming chart, but remained #1 on the movie streaming chart.




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During its third week, Wish fell to #5 on Nielsen's movie streaming chart.


Source: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/nielse ... 235693657/


During its fourth week, Wish rose to #4 on Nielsen's movie streaming chart.


Source: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/nielse ... 235693657/

[Sotiris]

Disney lost over $130 million on Wish.


Source: https://deadline.com/2024/05/biggest-bo ... 235902825/

[Farerb]

Even Disney admits that Asha's main goal was to make chaos:

[Patricier21]

Even Disney admits that Asha's main goal was to make chaos:

I know that you hate the movie, but Jesus Christ! What’s your problem? One of the many things I cannot tolerate in life is this kind of cynical, out of context, recontextualized Kind of humour or even statement. You overall know this is not what they overall mean, you are merely framing and contextualizing it to go along with you what you feel about the movie!

And may I just say a few other things about the movie. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe one of the reasons why a lot of people don’t like magnifico is because it’s been so long since there has been a traditional Disney villain, That people are to conditioned into sympathizing for the villain, hence their overall feelings towards Asha being the villain instead of truly knowing the difference between good and evil, especially paying attention to a lot of subtle and even not so subtle clues that are always overall there?

It also disturbs me that people don’t overall understand the movie. And arguments with me here and on YouTube is that people need to realize that sometimes not getting what you directly want/things not working out can lead to some of the very best things. That may be still overall or at least somewhat true, but the key is it’s not EVERY single time. Not everyone can be OK or conditioned into not having what they truly want especially if it’s something so grand and so overall connected to who they truly are not work out. Not everyone is like Mike Wazowski, Who also by the way like a lot of other things in life Got lucky. Not everyone has the gull/Drive let alone overall ability/opportunity to be able to have their dreams still come through. Not everyone can truly be OK with having the bear necessities and basic needs. Yes, it’s nice being able to live there “rent free”, But come on! You very well or I would surely hope surely know that you will never ever be happy in life with just that. I mean what’s the point of being able to have privileges and or writes like that, let alone having a lot of money and a lot of whatever if you can’t truly enjoy/truly do what you wanna do? No matter what you do, YOU have to truly like it! And it seems like you and or others are focussing and emphasizing more on what other people want for you instead of what YOU truly want for yourself. Yes, other people matter but do you see what I’m getting at? Being selfless can also be just as bad or worse than being selfish, heck I’d even say most the time it’s even the latter, because it’s YOUR Life. YOUR Feelings.YOUR Values.YOUR Time etc. why on earth would you ever, ever ever ever ever want to spend one fraction of a second not truly being YOU. That’s what life is always truly about. That’s what gives meaning to literally everything. It’s what our hearts are all made of. That’s what the movie is trying to say. Heck, that’s what Disney has always been trying to say, even with variants like what they did in monsters University, but much like how you praise that for being unique and trying something different with that kind of thing, ironically which is that seems to be what they are trying to say here, But again in reverse and in a more poignant and directly relevant to Disney (in case you forgot, monsters University is Pixar NOT Disney, there is a big difference). Especially when you also consider that this is supposed to be for Disney’s 100th anniversary, it wouldn’t be Disney without this kind of thing, regardless of Pixar technically being Disney, but do you get what I mean?

[Patricier21]

Even Disney admits that Asha's main goal was to make chaos:

I know that you hate the movie, but Jesus Christ! What’s your problem? One of the many things I cannot tolerate in life is this kind of cynical, out of context, recontextualized Kind of humour or even statement. You overall know this is not what they overall mean, you are merely framing and contextualizing it to go along with you what you feel about the movie!

And may I just say a few other things about the movie. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe one of the reasons why a lot of people don’t like magnifico is because it’s been so long since there has been a traditional Disney villain, That people are to conditioned into sympathizing for the villain, hence their overall feelings towards Asha being the villain instead of truly knowing the difference between good and evil, especially paying attention to a lot of subtle and even not so subtle clues that are always overall there?

It also disturbs me that people don’t overall understand the movie. And arguments with me here and on YouTube is that people need to realize that sometimes not getting what you directly want/things not working out can lead to some of the very best things. That may be still overall or at least somewhat true, but the key is it’s not EVERY single time. Not everyone can be OK or conditioned into not having what they truly want especially if it’s something so grand and so overall connected to who they truly are not work out. Not everyone is like Mike Wazowski, Who also by the way like a lot of other things in life Got lucky. Not everyone has the gull/Drive let alone overall ability/opportunity to be able to have their dreams still come through. Not everyone can truly be OK with having the bear necessities and basic needs. Yes, it’s nice being able to live there “rent free”, But come on! You very well or I would surely hope surely know that you will never ever be happy in life with just that. I mean what’s the point of being able to have privileges and or writes like that, let alone having a lot of money and a lot of whatever if you can’t truly enjoy/truly do what you wanna do? No matter what you do, YOU have to truly like it! And it seems like you and or others are focussing and emphasizing more on what other people want for you instead of what YOU truly want for yourself. Yes, other people matter but do you see what I’m getting at? Being selfless can also be just as bad or worse than being selfish, heck I’d even say most the time it’s even the latter, because it’s YOUR Life. YOUR Feelings.YOUR Values.YOUR Time etc. why on earth would you ever, ever ever ever ever want to spend one fraction of a second not truly being YOU. That’s what life is always truly about. That’s what gives meaning to literally everything. It’s what our hearts are all made of. That’s what the movie is trying to say. Heck, that’s what Disney has always been trying to say, even with variants like what they did in monsters University, but much like how you praise that for being unique and trying something different with that kind of thing, ironically which is that seems to be what they are trying to say here, But again in reverse and in a more poignant and directly relevant to Disney (in case you forgot, monsters University is Pixar NOT Disney, there is a big difference). Especially when you also consider that this is supposed to be for Disney’s 100th anniversary, it wouldn’t be Disney without this kind of thing, regardless of Pixar technically being Disney, but do you get what I mean?

[Farerb]

It was a joke. What that was made by Disney...