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Jäger-Rose wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:14 pm Sharing my interviews with Chris Buck, Fawn Veerasunthorn & Peter Del Vecho for anyone that's interested.

We talked about their motivation for animated movies, where the idea for Wish came from, also how the premiere in Germany went and then also Easter Eggs. I tried to let them talk about their involvement for their movies (Frozen, Tarzan) in Kingdom Hearts games. But it seems like they are not involved at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzcV0sUyIQ

This has been my first interview in a while so I was a bit rusty haha. Feedback is always welcome (as are likes on YT)! :)
Great job here! :-) You’re not rusty at all in the slightest, very natural genuine actually :-) how did you get to actually interview them? I really truly appreciate you asking them about kingdom hearts, interesting to hear they’re kind of involvement, but either way, Kingdom hearts truly needs to be talked about and brought up a lot more :-)
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Patricier21 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:53 pm
Jäger-Rose wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:14 pm Sharing my interviews with Chris Buck, Fawn Veerasunthorn & Peter Del Vecho for anyone that's interested.

We talked about their motivation for animated movies, where the idea for Wish came from, also how the premiere in Germany went and then also Easter Eggs. I tried to let them talk about their involvement for their movies (Frozen, Tarzan) in Kingdom Hearts games. But it seems like they are not involved at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzcV0sUyIQ

This has been my first interview in a while so I was a bit rusty haha. Feedback is always welcome (as are likes on YT)! :)
Great job here! :-) You’re not rusty at all in the slightest, very natural genuine actually :-) how did you get to actually interview them? I really truly appreciate you asking them about kingdom hearts, interesting to hear they’re kind of involvement, but either way, Kingdom hearts truly needs to be talked about and brought up a lot more :-)
Thank you so much! I'm fortunate enough to get invited to conduct interviews through Disney Germany's PR department from time to time. I'll always try to ask some questions besides the usual stuff that we've already heard many times (which is hard sometimes haha).

For Kingdom Hearts, I'm a HUGE fan myself (like, it's my #1 Disney property I think). However, I'm part of the group of people that were disappointed with KH. And especially Arendelle is the worst world imo. So I was kinda hoping to find out the process (because clearly, there must have been so many restrictions that the developer faced). But it seems like whoever Square Enix gets to talk to would mainly be a property watching (maybe even legal) department and not the actual film makers. Which is a shame...
Hopefully, reminding the creators that those awesome games exist, will make them more present also at WDAS. I asked someone else a similar question in an interview last year but I can't recall right now who it was... haha
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"On the sad side of affairs, Thanksgiving releases Disney’s Wish and Apple Original Production’s Napoleon dropped like a rock respectively, with -64% (estimated $7M) and -65% ($7.2M). Both results being front-loaded are rather eyebrow-raising. While Wish was soft out of the gate, Disney’s return to princess movies is posting a second frame percent drop that’s worse than last year’s bomb, Strange World (-58%, $5M)."
https://deadline.com/2023/12/box-office ... C%20%245M).
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Maybe it's just me, but I can't help but feel that the public is letting Wish flop on purpose.
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DisneyJedi wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:57 pm Maybe it's just me, but I can't help but feel that the public is letting Wish flop on purpose.
It’s not just you, it’s an unfortunate fact :( just goes to show you that there’s something wrong with our species, and like I said, THEY Need to change. Another thing that I’ve always known is that people don’t like something because it reminds them about something that they don’t like no matter what no matter how otherwise it may seem. And you can look at that fact in very different ways in regards to Wish.
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A theater owner in Michigan claims that moviegoers were asking him if Wish was a "safe" movie for kids. He also said Disney was expecting it to perform much better than it did.
We own a movie theater and talk to everyone who comes in. People do not trust Disney. I got more "is this movie safe to bring my children to" question for this movie than I have with any other movie. It is a lack of trust, the economy and streaming. Migration will tell us more.
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkCBott/status/17 ... 8238595571
People are losing trust in Disney. We showed Wish to big crowds this weekend but I have had more people ask me if it was safe to bring their children or grandchildren to, than any other movie we have shown. People use to never ask that with a Disney movie.
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkCBott/status/17 ... 2656693288
It is a lack of trust in Disney. I was asked often if Wish was safe to bring their children or grandchildren.
It is a Disney animated movie, there was a day people didn't feel the need to ask. Now I get that question a few times a day.
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkCBott/status/17 ... 9921509819
Wish is good movie with horrible animation. We screened the movie today. The animation does not appear to be from Disney. I asked our Disney rep who explained it was done in this style to be nostalgic since it is being released during Disney's 100th Anniv. I missed the connection and thought the studio was trying to save money. Most of the songs don't stand out, the animation looks like it comes from a small studio with a small budget but the story is good and as long as you don't have high expectations, it is an enjoyable film. Not going to be a classic but it will likely be a good time with the family or grand kids.
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkCBott/status/17 ... 8668252185
We did well with it at the theater. As a business, it was not the best Disney movie we have played but far from the worse.
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkCBott/status/17 ... 1929657718
We did well with this movie.. not great but better than Disney will do. This movie is on the path to lose a lot of money.
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkCBott/status/17 ... 4586797189
Having talked to people within Disney, I know they were expecting much better numbers. They thought it was going to be #1... it was actually #3.
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkCBott/status/17 ... 1397425389
Disney was expected Wish to be #1 over this past weekend. This has to be disappointing news for them.
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkCBott/status/17 ... 2168896863
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Um… I think a quick cursory glance of this man’s Twitter feed reveals he is not exactly an unbiased source lol

Also… I just have to push back against this idea that conservative audiences have always trusted Disney until this moment in time. That’s patently not true. In the 90’s there was a lot of evangelical pushback against Disney.

I’m sure I travel in much different circles than this dude, but when people ask me about my experience with Wish, they ask “is it worth the money?” And I can’t really in good conscience recommend they see it in theaters since A) despite my personal enjoyment as a huge Disney fan, it’s a mid-tier movie, and B) it will be out on Disney+ in a few months.
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If Wish doesn’t lead to leadership change at WDAS I don’t know what will.

Excluding Encanto, a sleeper hit, they haven’t had a true success since Moana. Frozen 2 was a financial success but who really talks about that movie?

They’re super disconnected from what audiences want at this point.
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UmbrellaFish wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:16 am Um… I think a quick cursory glance of this man’s Twitter feed reveals he is not exactly an unbiased source lol

Also… I just have to push back against this idea that conservative audiences have always trusted Disney until this moment in time. That’s patently not true. In the 90’s there was a lot of evangelical pushback against Disney.

I’m sure I travel in much different circles than this dude, but when people ask me about my experience with Wish, they ask “is it worth the money?” And I can’t really in good conscience recommend they see it in theaters since A) despite my personal enjoyment as a huge Disney fan, it’s a mid-tier movie, and B) it will be out on Disney+ in a few months.
Well maybe if you changed your attitude about it, not seen it as a mid tier movie (which it’s not, even if not the very best),Considering why I and others actually love it, and maybe why you may be over thinking it,And reminding people that it will in fact not be on Disney+ in a few months per the recent change in strategy and giving movies a little bit more than that to play on the big screen, then maybe just maybe he might be able to help convince others to go and check it out :-)
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The Mouse hasn’t signed my paychecks in 5 years, I won’t do his work for free!
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UmbrellaFish wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:45 am The Mouse hasn’t signed my paychecks in 5 years, I won’t do his work for free!
Did you actually work for Disney? But either way, if you are truly a fan, and don’t want things to potentially get any worse and or not in your favor, you should at least consider some of what I’ve said. Maybe at least check it out a second time if you haven’t already because that might overall change your opinion, eh?
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Yes, I worked in the parks as part of the Disney College Program for a year. No involvement with the movie side of things, in case my joke made it sound like I was saying that.

You know, I’ve written in this thread that I actually did enjoy the film despite its issues. I cannot personally justify spending the money to see it in theaters again (actually, in all my life I don’t think I’ve ever seen any movie more than once in the movie theater). I am eagerly awaiting its release on Disney+ and 4K disc to rewatch it.
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UmbrellaFish wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:01 am Yes, I worked in the parks as part of the Disney College Program for a year. No involvement with the movie side of things, in case my joke made it sound like I was saying that.

You know, I’ve written in this thread that I actually did enjoy the film despite its issues. I cannot personally justify spending the money to see it in theaters again (actually, in all my life I don’t think I’ve ever seen any movie more than once in the movie theater). I am eagerly awaiting its release on Disney+ and 4K disc to rewatch it.
But like I said, you could try to change your tactic towards others, again if you actually want to help things be better and not only for the movie but for Disney overall, Especially if like you said you actually enjoy the movie, And truly believe that it doesn’t deserve to fail like this
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Patricier21, it’s not up to the fans to fix Disney’s problems. Even if I was so inclined, there is no fixing Wish’s problems at the box office now… word of mouth was not positive enough to turn the tide and that’s not going to change.

Maybe you need to change your perspective. Sometimes failure is healthy for a studio… it will encourage them to reevaluate their practices. Maybe Wish’s failure at the box office will encourage them to spend more time working on the story of the next Disney film and it will be much better!
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UmbrellaFish wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:46 am Maybe Wish’s failure at the box office will encourage them to spend more time working on the story of the next Disney film and it will be much better!
Or maybe they’ll misinterpret it as people not being interested in more stylized looking animated films or films that aren’t sequels and pump out standard CGI looking sequels forever. Part of the reason why they’ve been doing live action remakes or sequels is because anytime they’ve done risky live action projects, it’s blown up in their faces.
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This is giving cult behavior. No studio (or company, or organization) should be exempt from valid criticism. Regardless of how much you enjoyed Wish, the point stands that it's objectively a badly written and assembled movie (and I enjoyed it, but I also enjoyed Catwoman. That doesn't stop me from recognizing it as a bad movie.) People don't own studios anything and they're not "letting the movie flop on purpose". I mean, what? They just rather spend their money elsewhere. And speaking as someone who has spent thousands on Disney products, whether movie tickets, home media, merchandise, and subscriptions, I (and everyone else) deserve better entertainment from the company. Don't settle for mediocrity.
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Yeah, watching Disney fail is like seeing your grown-up child making poor life decisions. You may want to rescue them, but in the end the best thing you can do is just let them learn from their mistakes.

I've said before, Disney needs to internalize that whatever the memes dictate, the public doesn't respond to Disney because of a specific assemblage of tropes or images. They respond to sincere storytelling, and the moment they start delivering that, I'll be the first to celebrate.

In the meantime, I think the best autopsy we can give for Wish is one of nuance and discernment. There have been a lot of amateur commentators overreacting in trying to paint this as the "DISNEY'S WOOORST MOVIE EVERERER!!!!!" which it definitely isn't. There are things about the movie that work, and it's worth discussing both what those are and how they could have landed better in a more even product. I think a better outlet for people who are discouraged by this movie's performance might be investing in creating healthy dialogue that rejects the best/worst binary and seeks to look at the movie's strengths and shortcomings honestly, because that's where the learning actually happens.
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Mooky wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:21 am This is giving cult behavior. No studio (or company, or organization) should be exempt from valid criticism. Regardless of how much you enjoyed Wish, the point stands that it's objectively a badly written and assembled movie (and I enjoyed it, but I also enjoyed Catwoman. That doesn't stop me from recognizing it as a bad movie.) People don't own studios anything and they're not "letting the movie flop on purpose". I mean, what? They just rather spend their money elsewhere. And speaking as someone who has spent thousands on Disney products, whether movie tickets, home media, merchandise, and subscriptions, I (and everyone else) deserve better entertainment from the company. Don't settle for mediocrity.
Just because the majority thinks a certain way does not mean that they are the “objective” mindset; what if they’re all misguided by the same thing? Just like how Most people did not bathe during mediaeval times, Like most people didn’t know that Pluto was a planet, like how most people were taught to automatically plays nine Caucasian people to sit at the back of the bus, back at the room etc. what’s the difference here? It’s called Growth and development, because you’re forgetting that we’re all the same species: human, a species the quite frankly I’ve said before is more than objectively the most misguided and screwed up, which I know most of you overall agree with even if you’ll never admit it.

A lot of people felt the same about certain movies like blade runner, and other movies I did not do so well when they first came out only to be regarded as classics (Pinocchio and the original Fantasia Bombed when they came out; Yes there was extenuating circumstances, But many people would consider the original Fantasia is having a valid criticism of being “too boring” and “slow”, not to mention that I personally find Pinocchios character development to be quite week even for the times, of which dare I say it I actually find the live action remake did a much better job of). Not to mention how people originally thought about the Empire strikes back when it first came out, of which it along with the Original Star Wars trilogy, and Star Wars overall I know through critical thinking to be a badly assembled and written and performed franchise (Waymore than Wish, That’s for sure). The only reason why people look back fondly on this because of its historical significance, which is important yes but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still an overall horribly executed And presented franchise, I criticism of which no one seems to have a problem with most modern movies when they arguably did just as much or more than Star Wars and or even more beloved such as Harry Potter, middle earth, avatar, even Marvel etc. Like my brother has said, just because it’s different and or even stands out does not necessarily mean that it’s good. And I know for a fact That a lot of you Are only going with majority overall and her condition into thinking that it’s “Objective“ Because the majority think so, and with that you’re afraid of standing out and being ostracized because you think differently from them and or because you think it’s worthless because you don’t think it’ll make any difference, when it actually overall does even if only the long run. Look at something again like the first Hocus Pocus And where it is now compared to what’s initial reception; did everybody else care they didn’t do that well or get that good reviews (Wish has a much higher rotten tomatoes score then I believe both hocus-pocus movies if I’m not mistaken)? If they did, then how and why is it such a phenomenon now? How do you know the same thing can’t happen to wish or any other movie like I said I didn’t do that well like blade runner, the Wizard of Oz, Fantasia, Atlantis, treasure planet and all these other Disney Classics that did not do that well initially?

Yes, no studio let alone literally anything for that matter should be exempt from any kind of criticism, but there’s also something to be said that maybe just maybe the people that are doing the critiquing have something wrong with them too? It always truly takes two or more to tango, and again just because you won’t admit it does not mean that it’s not true. Wish is not the very best Disney animated movie ever, but I do know for a fact as I’ve seen on here and other places that a lot of the criticism towards it or result of people over thinking it and or demanding expecting too much out of it, and again because their overall mindset towards Disney and even frankly movies and life in general. You have to admit it that the higher cost and expense in movies is also another factor here, but does that mean that it’s fair for this and other movies to have to fail whenever they very well could’ve and should’ve done a lot better? All I’m asking is for you to be more considerate and realize that even if it is against the majority, you always truly have potential To make a difference, even if it may not be specifically or directly That much of an impact and or what you’re looking for, because at least it’s more true and valuable to you and therefore whatever else is involved with it no matter what no matter how otherwise it may seem
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Patricier, you're confusing objective thinking with majority thinking, two very different and quite incomparable concepts. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don't.

You don't have to like Star Wars, Blade Runner or Fantasia to recognize they're objectively well-written, well-acted, well-directed and overall well-made films. I personally don't have Fantasia anywhere near my Top 50 or Top 100 animated features list because it bores me to death (again, a subjective opinion). I still can't deny that it's a masterpiece, just one that I don't enjoy. On that same personal enjoyment scale, I liked Wish more than Fantasia, because it ticked more boxes for me than Fantasia ever did. I do like Fantasia 2000 better than either of them though.

However, if you go by critics' reviews -- and I mean actual film critics who studied film and who know more about filmmaking process than either you or I, not YouTube or TikTok or random movie blogs -- you'll see that their reviews of Wish point out serious structural and narrative issues with the movie, and that's even before going into issues with the songs and animation. Sure, no critic is 100% objective and I'm certain many of them tend to judge the object of their critique through a personal lens, but their professonal, educated critique still carries more weight than either of our opinions.

So enjoy Wish as much as you want, go see it at the movies as many times as you want, buy it on a disc, do whatever you want. But don't try to shame people for not liking it, or come up with excuses for bad storytelling, or tell people they don't like it because they don't like something about themselves (um, what?) It's insulting and off-putting, and nobody should owe you an explanation for why they dislike something, nor will they change their mind about it just because you tell them to do so. Imagine me telling you to change your dismissive attitude about Star Wars.
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