Mooky wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:53 am
FFS, just let people like OR dislike the movie as they please, and stop hounding them across the internet. You'd think a few of you here have personal stakes in Disney the way you not only pile up on anyone who expresses any type of legitimate criticism of them and their products, but also jump to defend every questionable storytelling choice. It's annoying and it's getting old. And this is coming from someone who enjoyed
Wish for the most part.
First of all, please watch your language, you can’t curse in Disney
And it goes without saying that we DO Have a personal stake in this, because first of all it is our lives so it’s always personal in at least some kind of way, Secondly this is something that we truly care about, so again we do truly have a personal stake in this.
These are things that we truly care about, that truly bring value and reasoning into our lives, and truly help us find it outside of itself. We all have different opinions/interpretations towards it, but like it is inferred here, we all need to be able to handle it right. And as much as we don’t want to cause conflict or attacks with it, we have to also truly stand up for what we believe in and truly know is right. And there is such a thing as being misguided and or even manipulative with it. I don’t mean to come off like I’m better than everybody, because I know that I’m not always right and can make mistakes, but at the same time, I can’t allow others whether they be misguided or not go around and ruin what I and others truly love and truly appreciate. Yes, there are valid points to be made and you are truly allowed to feel the way that you do, but the way that some people here and other places are going about it are being more facetious, toxic, and just plain mean-spirited towards others and what they like, hence the reason why we value a lot of these things so well, because It becomes really really hard to say the least to find value in our fellow species When they act like this. I’m not perfect myself, I don’t know everything, people are allowed to feel the way they do, but you have to be able to express it in a sensible immature way. Yes, you can say a lot of things about what I’ve posted, But like everything else in life, there’s always truly a reason for it and or a lack thereof otherwise stating it.
At the very least, I’m standing up for something that isn’t always truly will be subjective, so therefore people can at least consider what I and it has to offer instead of the smug very bias-based opinions and attitudes that others are expressing; what’s worse if I may ask: standing up for defending something for what it is but allowing others to be considerable about it, or just plain cynical third-party influenced perceptions, regardless of whether they are with the majority or not?
Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:38 pmJust watched Wish
The movie is very average, what I expected.
Doesn't deserve to be hated because it's as average as Frozen 2 or Encanto but I understand the hate
The animation was so god damn ugly, some parts looked good but as a whole it looked like unfinished CGI, I hope they delete that art style from DSA for eternity.
The representation was fine, the architecture, diversity, food (I saw a paella, moorish teas, manchego cheese among other dishes) and environment was well made
The clothes were horrible, nothing like the real Al Andalus, just generic and boring medieval outfits, specially the Teens.
In the concept arts Asha has more authentic outfits that fit the Period of time and also her ethnicity (or ethnicities)
I like the king and queen outfits because they're the most close to the real culture (Amaya is basically La Dama De Elche)
I also hate how all actors didn't knew spanish, they pronounced all the spanish words and names with the worst pronunciation possible, except Gabo voice actor (the one from What We Do In The Shadows) who I assume actually speaks Spanish
The city/Kingdom of Rosas suffers from the classic problem of Script demands, sometimes its super big and sometimes its a small town with 300 citizens that you can run from one point to another in 30 minutes, like literally the entire city can fit inside a small plaza, and also Asha runs from the city to her village in not really long, plus the boat ride being so short
I also hate the classic "we are all friends in the end" with the traitor teen, or Amaya not having any royal friend to talk with (like nobody was in the royal court apart from Magnifico and Amaya)
What I would have made to make the movie good:
First the songs, very mediocre
Second the animation, either 2D or the classic good CGI
Third I would have been authentic to the culture instead of just old classic orientalism
And also I would have made the movie longer, make Asha and Valentino go with her grandpa and mom to Spain, make months pass, then have her be 18 and return to Rosas with a plan, then see that Rosas is a dictatorship, then Asha with her plan already made saves the day and so and so
And also make the traitor teen not be forgiven, like in real life, kids need to learn that sometimes you can't forgive people when they do something wrong
Also give Asha a final dress/costume because cmon they were so stupid to not do that to sell more toys
A lot of these criticisms are the same kinds of things you could apply to a lot of other Disney movies, and not just the other ones you mentioned here. That’s how they normally do things, it is Disney after all, for better or for worse
that doesn’t mean they can’t improve like you said, but you are being a little picky in some of these complaints, such as your thing about the Spanish words, when it’s not even specifically supposed to be that Spanish. It’s supposed to be an amalgamation from what I’ve heard.
Sure, Simon did betray them, but did you not forget the day did some things That led to him betraying them? It’s all part of the overall moral to be careful what you wish for/think about/say about someone, because that can Have things happen to them and or you that you are not being so careful of;They were quite Disrespectful if not condescending towards him, Much like how magnifico is to the overall kingdom, so very good thematic relevance to him, not to mention that he gets attacked, Kicking it with the rabbits (L O L
at the end, so he did get comeuppance at the end after all
And as much as money is their overall game, well it’s actually nicer they didn’t overdo things like you’re suggesting with Asha‘s outfits, simply because of that. There is no real reason in the story For that kind of thing, and ironically in one of the kids really did someone give her a new outfit, people are for whatever reason whine and complain about it, so what you have to say about that (her apparently dressing up with the fairy godmother, which is not even all that noticeable and actually a nice Homage and not executive meddling like some other people unfortunately think so)
Mooky wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:24 pm
It’s not really a plot hole, but more of a plot contrivance. They had the grandfather turning 100 so it would tie into the whole Disney 100 celebration. That’s it, there’s no other reason. For the purpose of the story, it would have made no difference if it was Asha’s mother’s 50th birthday or one of her friend’s 21st instead.
Anyway… The King can’t be more than 45ish and following the opening narration, the Kingdom could not have existed for more than 25 years. So the grandfather was at least 75 when he made the wish. For what it’s worth, the math works. What’s silly is that he didn’t try fulfilling his wish/dream on his own in the preceding 75 years (and from what we’re shown, it wasn’t some elaborate, abstract, complicated wish that would require time or money), but it is what it is.
To me, forgetting your wish upon giving it away is more of a plot hole. What reason would anyone have to look forward to the wish-granting ceremony if you didn’t know what your wish was? The "winner" is not announced in advance so there's really nothing to get you hyped up, you'd just be standing in the crowd waiting for... what exactly? When you forget your wish, you basically lose an important part of yourself, your whole drive. The premise had a great potential, but the execution was half-baked. I’d have liked to see a version where giving away your wish is done in exchange for money or protection, and essentially turns you into a mindless drone over time. The tagline "Be careful what you wish for" would make sense in that context; within the existing one it doesn't.
I know they tried something like that with Simon, but he seemed to be the only kingdom resident affected. I’d have liked to see it on a larger scale, where Asha stumbles upon this whole conspiracy and tries to set the kingdom free. This is why Magnifico starting off as a full-on villain would have been better, imo. It would be similar to the deals merpeople made with Ursula — aaand now I have a vision of people of Rosas oohing and aahing after they get their wishes back.
Anyway, best to not overthink it because the movie’s internal logic is not that sturdy and falls apart easily.
Wish is more fun when you don’t overanalyze it.
Well, it’s made pretty clear that even though they don’t remember what the wish was, they do know they made a wish, that’s The main reason why everyone is so keen on the wish granting ceremony, because they don’t know what their wish specifically was, But they still want to see what it could be and have it fulfilled. It’s like how you don’t tell people what you wish for for your birthday or when you wish upon a star etc. it’s so that way they don’t jinx it etc.
Also in regards to the grandfather wish, well like magnifico says in regards to why he won’t granted, maybe the grandfather is unsure of or doesn’t know if that kind of thing can even happen, And or for similar reasons perhaps maybe didn’t get a chance to have that kind of opportunity happen. I mean even at as young an age of 75, how many of those in our own world do you actually see a successful seniors? Was Tony Bennett like the only one?The Rolling Stones And others like they’re all ready establish before they came to that age etc.
Why do people around that age or even older go on shows like America’s got talent etc.? It’s not as easy as it looks or even seems.
Marce82 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:41 pmHey Mooky,
I agree with your points, but I find it very strange that a 75 yr old would give away his wish at that stage of life. And that entire kingdom was built in 20-25 years?!?!?! WHAT??? (not questioning Mooky, this is implied in the film)
As for him turning 100 to coincide with the anniversary of the company... THAT is the problem. This film seems more driven by marketing than actual storytelling.
And your final point... this movie can't even stand a very BASIC analysis before falling apart. Forget "overanalyzing"...
For the record, I can see things like the Percy Jackson books (not the movies which fixed a lot of those issues
And even the hunger games falling apart way more like this then Wish. They have a lot of things that don’t make a lot of sense and or lineup, and or or not used as well as they should.
