Wish

[Farerb]

Box Office: Disney’s ‘Wish’ Fizzles, ‘Napoleon’ Beats Expectations as ‘Hunger Games’ Lands on Top Again

“Wish,” the studio’s newest animated adventure, was projected to land on top of box office charts over the Thanksgiving holiday. Instead, ticket sales fell short of expectations with a weak $19.5 million over the traditional weekend and $31.7 million over the five days, and the film tumbled to third place behind Lionsgate’s “The Hunger Games” prequel “The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes” and Ridley Scott’s historical epic “Napoleon.”

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/box- ... 235808957/

[PatrickvD]

Disney’s studios have been completely overrun by executives. They all need a clean sweep and get creatives back in control.

Why do they keep doing this cycle every two to three decades?

These box office figures are poor.

[PatchofBlue]

As ridiculous as it may seem, even if it may not be the case from where you’re from, I personally find that people in any kind of society can be quite ignorant and or not observant of that kind of thing, again given the overall context that Magnifico at least appears to be so caring and benevolent to them, And in another explanation for your other criticism, most would assume that their wishes would eventually get granted when they surely reach a milestone age, and or many probably just an simply live to be that age, and the fact that they all forget their wishes after they give them,They all either forgot or simply overlook and never thought about that kind of thing.

I think having that many characters, including the queen and Valentino also the kind of diversity that there is, and per the role that the other animals had, Valentino actually does have a purpose of the story, but on the fact that it is a Disney movie after all, animal sidekick, eh? I also think very subtly, Valentino and even some of the other characters help Asha to overcome her Insecurities, As you can see her be more confident and competent as the movie goes on, which also helps with her not being as awkward or even annoying, as I initially found her in the very early scenes but then I’ve grown to quite like her as the movie went on and she found her footing.

I think there could be something to exploring the way that crowds of people can become complicit and even sycophantic to charismatic figureheads that serve wicked ends, but this film didn't seem terribly interested in the nuances of how that plays out in real life. The dynamic between Magnifico and Rosas had echoes of something like Gaston and the townspeople, but it felt more believable in Beauty and the Beast because with Gaston, he was living up to the promises he was making to the village, and so it was easier to see why he'd still be the item of their admiration. Meanwhile hundreds of people give their wishes to Rosas every year, and yet fourteen granted wishes a year is apparently "a high percent." It's hard for me to swallow that it would take the kingdom so long to wise up.

Yes, Valentino is there as Asha overcomes her insecurities, but I don't know that he specifically does anything to enact this change in her, and as a character in his own right, he doesn't even feel remarkably equipped to do so anyway. Someone like Olaf is obviously there to create a toy market, but he also serves a function within the narrative itself: he embodies the love that Anna and Elsa felt for each other as kids, and his existence teases the possibility that one day they could be friends again. The fact that Olaf is the one to rescue Anna when she's at her lowest is also significant. After Hans has left Anna to freeze to death and she's just been confronted with the possibility that maybe her ideas of true love were just naivety, Olaf gives her the necessary pick-me-up to do what she has to do to instigate her act of true love. Valentino, meanwhile, I'm not sure what he actually contributes to the story. Admittedly, that may be something that becomes clearer on rewatches, but after just the one viewing, he just feels like he's there because he's expected to be there because "it's a Disney movie, of course there's going to be talking animals."

Disney’s studios have been completely overrun by executives. They all need a clean sweep and get creatives back in control.

Why do they keep doing this cycle every two to three decades?

By design, film studios want the ecosystem to be the same. Not just Disney. They want the same stories to work, the same processes to work, the same styles to work, and that's just not the nature of the game.

I still think there's time for Disney to pivot if they can get their heads together. What's interesting is the way that Disney has historically gotten back on track after long periods of financial wish-wash is by returning to standard settings (re: The Little Mermaid/Tangled as quintessential Disney fairy-tales). Wish is trying so hard to do that same thing, only it's not working out for them.

What I'd hope Disney would gain from this experience is that the "Disney formula" should never be seen as a list of characteristics or boxes to be checked off (fairy-tale setting, set list of musical numbers, talking animals, etc.). Disney is at its best when it's finding new stories to tell. Even if something like The Little Mermaid had a lot of overlap with something like Sleeping Beauty, it brought new life to the game as well. And now that the space between "Mermaid" and today is actually eclipsing the space between "Mermaid" and "Sleeping Beauty," I think the world is at a space where we can get creative with what it means to be a "Disney movie."

[megustajake]

I remember being disappointed that Tarzan wasn’t a traditional musical when I was a kid, but seeing the movie, Phil Collins’s score worked really well. I just feel like Disney took chances in the 90s and played with their formula, even taking on stories that were darker (Hunchback) and more mature (Mulan) than was expected from them. Everything has become so safe and sanitized.

[Disney's Divinity]

On the film's Wikipedia page, it says:

The soundtrack was released on November 17, 2023, by Walt Disney Records, followed by an extended deluxe edition featuring Metzger's score, instrumental versions of the songs and demo recordings with Michaels on November 22, 2023.

I saw that also. It's a shame the deluxe is digital-only, but better than nothing.

I didn't think Amaya was worthless as a character, even if she isn't much more important than the Teens. Her entrance in the middle of "Knowing What I Know Now" was a pretty fun moment for me. I still don't care for the sort of hubcap things that is her headdress (sort of makes me think of vikings), but her dress was very nice. Valentino did remind me a great deal of Olaf. PatchOfBlue is right that Olaf is more important symbolically for being a representation of Elsa's and Anna's bond with one another, but aside from that the sense of humor that drives those two characters is very similar.

[Patricier21]

As ridiculous as it may seem, even if it may not be the case from where you’re from, I personally find that people in any kind of society can be quite ignorant and or not observant of that kind of thing, again given the overall context that Magnifico at least appears to be so caring and benevolent to them, And in another explanation for your other criticism, most would assume that their wishes would eventually get granted when they surely reach a milestone age, and or many probably just an simply live to be that age, and the fact that they all forget their wishes after they give them,They all either forgot or simply overlook and never thought about that kind of thing.

I think having that many characters, including the queen and Valentino also the kind of diversity that there is, and per the role that the other animals had, Valentino actually does have a purpose of the story, but on the fact that it is a Disney movie after all, animal sidekick, eh? I also think very subtly, Valentino and even some of the other characters help Asha to overcome her Insecurities, As you can see her be more confident and competent as the movie goes on, which also helps with her not being as awkward or even annoying, as I initially found her in the very early scenes but then I’ve grown to quite like her as the movie went on and she found her footing.

I think there could be something to exploring the way that crowds of people can become complicit and even sycophantic to charismatic figureheads that serve wicked ends, but this film didn't seem terribly interested in the nuances of how that plays out in real life. The dynamic between Magnifico and Rosas had echoes of something like Gaston and the townspeople, but it felt more believable in Beauty and the Beast because with Gaston, he was living up to the promises he was making to the village, and so it was easier to see why he'd still be the item of their admiration. Meanwhile hundreds of people give their wishes to Rosas every year, and yet fourteen granted wishes a year is apparently "a high percent." It's hard for me to swallow that it would take the kingdom so long to wise up.

Yes, Valentino is there as Asha overcomes her insecurities, but I don't know that he specifically does anything to enact this change in her, and as a character in his own right, he doesn't even feel remarkably equipped to do so anyway. Someone like Olaf is obviously there to create a toy market, but he also serves a function within the narrative itself: he embodies the love that Anna and Elsa felt for each other as kids, and his existence teases the possibility that one day they could be friends again. The fact that Olaf is the one to rescue Anna when she's at her lowest is also significant. After Hans has left Anna to freeze to death and she's just been confronted with the possibility that maybe her ideas of true love were just naivety, Olaf gives her the necessary pick-me-up to do what she has to do to instigate her act of true love. Valentino, meanwhile, I'm not sure what he actually contributes to the story. Admittedly, that may be something that becomes clearer on rewatches, but after just the one viewing, he just feels like he's there because he's expected to be there because "it's a Disney movie, of course there's going to be talking animals."

Disney’s studios have been completely overrun by executives. They all need a clean sweep and get creatives back in control.

Why do they keep doing this cycle every two to three decades?

By design, film studios want the ecosystem to be the same. Not just Disney. They want the same stories to work, the same processes to work, the same styles to work, and that's just not the nature of the game.

I still think there's time for Disney to pivot if they can get their heads together. What's interesting is the way that Disney has historically gotten back on track after long periods of financial wish-wash is by returning to standard settings (re: The Little Mermaid/Tangled as quintessential Disney fairy-tales). Wish is trying so hard to do that same thing, only it's not working out for them.

What I'd hope Disney would gain from this experience is that the "Disney formula" should never be seen as a list of characteristics or boxes to be checked off (fairy-tale setting, set list of musical numbers, talking animals, etc.). Disney is at its best when it's finding new stories to tell. Even if something like The Little Mermaid had a lot of overlap with something like Sleeping Beauty, it brought new life to the game as well. And now that the space between "Mermaid" and today is actually eclipsing the space between "Mermaid" and "Sleeping Beauty," I think the world is at a space where we can get creative with what it means to be a "Disney movie."

Well if I may say so, the thing with magnifico and his people It’s actually very similar to our own world with the very thing that controls it: leafy paper a.k.a. money! Let’s face it, even though we all understand at least overall why we need it and or at least something like it, I also know that deep down we all do not like that it controls the world the way that it does.Yet, no one will really do anything to challenge that out of fear of consequence and or the complications /greater scale it would take to make such a change.

Although it is easily overlooked,Like the old saying goes, sometimes all it takes is just one person, as there’s always truly a first time for everything, it’s always truly hard being the first penguin in the water so to speak etc. it’s the same kind of principle here. Again, keeping in mind That the wishes are forgotten about after they are presented, People either forget about it, and or have conditioned themselves It’s a thinking like magnifico, again because it would be too complicated and next to impossible to change such a thing, and or that despite those wishes, that it’s not really worth going through all that trouble for them. Again, you can probably relate to that or see how other people may end up thinking that way. And not just with money, I’m sure there’s tons of other things that you know the world could at least consider doing that you know they never will; Another great example is the fact that until Martin Luther King made his speech, they were probably tons of people who protested against not having people of different ethnicities having to sit at the back of the bus, back of the room etc. and be treated like that. It just takes time and right person And right set of circumstances, execution, etc. to actually do something about it, and magnifico is not that old, so he hasn’t been doing this for a really substantial amount of time if you really think about it, it’s not that far-fetched that he would have had the Kingdom in this kind of mindset for that long, and again it’s playing on the modern theme of people being sympathetic and grateful towards all the hard work that he did to try to make things overall work better for them, like the world we live in now. Again, yes there are a lot of complaints about things, but even if not you, you probably do know other people who don’t want to change things because it would just run the risk of messing them up etc

As for Valentino, while he helps Asha to specifically realize that all kinds of wishes matter and help reinforce her idea against magnifico that all wishes should always truly be considered and do truly matter, even if they are unusual or even odd, such as him talking and always wearing pyjamas etc. it stops her from reconsidering why she’s doing this, which again is probably why no one else up until her really challenged this kind of idea.

Another thing to consider too is that Asha has a very sympathetic wish, and while there Surely are other people with that kind of mindset, again they just leaving never considered it in a specific kind of way that she did, let alone probably had fear and or misinterpreted or overlooked the reasons why magnifico would do things in this kind of way. Again, trust me when I say that Literally if not all, next to every single person that I know from where I’m from have this kind of mindset they don’t want to get into more trouble and just want to blend in and go with what the majority thinks, for better or for worse. I can think we say that it’s reassuring that the audience that I was with that had more older than kids all truly enjoyed the movie and gave it a great big clap at the end, so it’s reassuring to know that this story truly resonated with them and May hopefully lead to better things including better mindsets for them (I’m Canadian BTW

[Sotiris]

Wish had the third-lowest 3-day opening weekend at the domestic box office for a CG-animated film by WDAS. Numbers not adjusted for inflation.

#1. Raya and the Last Dragon: $8,502,498 * (2,045 theaters) **
#2. Strange World: $12,151,384 (4,174 theaters)
#3. Wish: $19,698,228 (3,900 theaters)
#4. Meet the Robinsons: $25,123,781 (3,413 theaters)
#5. Bolt: $26,223,128 (3,651 theaters)
#6. Encanto: $27,206,494 (3,980 theaters)
#7. Dinosaur: $38,854,851 (3,257 theaters)
#8. Chicken Little: $40,049,778 (3,654 theaters)
#9. Tangled: $48,767,052 (3,603 theaters)
#10. Wreck-It Ralph: $49,038,712 (3,752 theaters)

* Disney+ Premier Access simultaneous release
**Lowest theater count due to boycott by exhibitors Cinemark & Harkins

[DisneyJedi]

Box Office: Disney’s ‘Wish’ Fizzles, ‘Napoleon’ Beats Expectations as ‘Hunger Games’ Lands on Top Again

“Wish,” the studio’s newest animated adventure, was projected to land on top of box office charts over the Thanksgiving holiday. Instead, ticket sales fell short of expectations with a weak $19.5 million over the traditional weekend and $31.7 million over the five days, and the film tumbled to third place behind Lionsgate’s “The Hunger Games” prequel “The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes” and Ridley Scott’s historical epic “Napoleon.”

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/box- ... 235808957/

………

It’s not fair…

You know what? I actually hope Disney announces, say, a live action Toy Story remake at this point. Mainly so the nitwits who crapped on Wish can be all, “… huh. Maybe we should have actually SEEN that original movie instead of constantly dumping on it.” Am I being pessimistic? Yes. Do I care at this point? No.

[Patricier21]

Box Office: Disney’s ‘Wish’ Fizzles, ‘Napoleon’ Beats Expectations as ‘Hunger Games’ Lands on Top Again

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/box- ... 235808957/

………

It’s not fair…

You know what? I actually hope Disney announces, say, a live action Toy Story remake at this point. Mainly so the nitwits who crapped on Wish can be all, “… huh. Maybe we should have actually SEEN that original movie instead of constantly dumping on it.” Am I being pessimistic? Yes. Do I care at this point? No.

To quote the movie that you’re proposing, give me five man! Wish is one of my new favourite movies, Disney or otherwise, let alone my favourite movie of the year so far (but most probably won’t be topped), And while it’s not among the top best Disney movies ever, It is truly quite good, really good in fact, it is a wonderful celebration movie for the 100th anniversary for truly telling a compelling original story but still feels very Disney while having references it don’t feel jarring or the take you out of the movie and feel quite natural and not in your face, with a compelling and very relevant villain let alone protagonist, That the world truly needs right now, and also forever.

Also to quote the sequel To what you’re proposing, which also happens to be my favourite movie of all time, I am eternally grateful that this movie exists the way that it is, and I truly wish that others will truly discover how great and meaningful it truly is, no matter what no matter how otherwise it may seem

[Thumper_93]

I saw the movie yesterday and I have to say that it's my favorite classic since Frozen. The characters look really good to me, Asha is very inspiring, sometimes she's a little bit silly but it's ok, I understand that she has to have this fancy moments to connect with young audience.
The soundtrack is really nice. I don't like all the songs but in general I could say that they are much better than Encanto's one. The instrumental songs are very spanish and they remind me to "Puy du fou" soundtrack (it is a them park located in Toledo and it represents part of Spain's history. You can easly see there things that Disney artists have added to the movie).

[Farerb]

Disney’s Bleak Box Office Streak: ‘Wish’ Is the Latest Crack in the Studio’s Once-Invincible Armor
https://variety.com/2023/film/box-offic ... 235809251/

[Elladorine]

I do mostly tend to hang in animation-centric circles when I’m browsing for entertainment news online, so aside from the occasional scathing review that compares modern Disney to Cocomelon (seriously?! Lol), I tend to forget there’s a ton of people out there that absolutely despise Disney.

I think the general public has always enjoyed many aspects of Disney, or at the very least see the brand as cute and harmless. Not that we’ve never had the weird conspiracy theories about Walt being a Nazi or brainwashing children with subliminal messages, but the world is so incredibly divided right now. Some groups want to see more equality and representation depicted in their entertainment, and others argue that doing so is forcing some kind of ungodly woke agenda out to destroy the traditional family unit or some other such BS that will break down the very fabric of society as we know it and OMG WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!!

Sorry, getting a little carried away here..

But at this point I feel like there are whole new groups that have become jaded with the company. The “Disney 100” campaign is completely inescapable. Their original animated films simply aren’t enough, now they’ve gotta crank out live-action versions to make the stories more “real” or whatever excuse they have in order to cash in even more on their existing library. Disney has also gotten its claws into practically everything and have definitely become overexposed these days. Now that Anastasia and Leia are official Disney Princesses, they’re gonna buy WB and Paramount so they can slap mouse ears on both Bugs and SpongeBob, and before you know it they’re gonna build Lunar Disneyland on the moon and sell canned air for $8 a pop. And YES I’m obviously being sarcastic to make a point, but releasing their next animated film isn’t exactly the big event it used to be, and the execs are probably scratching their heads over watching their box office grosses continue to decline.

I personally didn’t enjoy the live-action remakes early on (with rare exceptions over how a handful of scenes or characters were handled), but now the public has turned and it’s become trendy to hate on them. Hell, it’s trendy to hate on Disney in general as a giant, soulless, executive-driven corporation, despite the hardworking creatives that struggle against all odds to weave a hopefully meaningful, memorable story together with relatable characters, but under budget with time constraints while simultaneously fulfilling the executives’ agenda. Woo, that was a mouthful, and rather unnecessary in a thread that’s supposed to be about Wish. So allow me to switch gears.

I purposefully avoided opinions on this film until I could see it for myself, and Rey and I took Little Dude to the local Cinemark on Thanksgiving. I’ve since done a little reading on the reactions from both critics and fans.

Loved the color palette and the main character designs. However, many of the of the side characters were … I’m not sure if bland is the term I’m looking for, but yeah, they weren’t visually interesting. I get they were trying to be stylized with the animation, but in general much of it felt stiff and unfinished, in sort of a cheap Sofia the First kind of way. If you want to go stylized with CG, it has to be pushed further than just adding pencil lines and minimizing the shading.

I found the concept of a ruler physically holding the wishes of their people a little abstract yet still pretty interesting. I have the impression Magnifico easily persuaded everyone to hand them over for safe-keeping with the promise he’d grant those he deemed worthy. They don’t even stop to question it, possibly because Magnifico has already convinced everyone it’s “impossible” for the average person to make their dreams come true in the first place. I can’t put my finger on it but there has to be some sort of religious allegory here; these people are basically offering up a piece of their soul with the hopes of fulfilling a higher purpose in the future.

Asha is very likable, and even though she gets a little flustered in the beginning, I wouldn’t categorize her as the dreaded stereotype I’ve seen all over YouTube about modern Disney Princesses. Speaking of which, (blacked out for CONTENT WARNING this time rather than spoilers) if I hear bitching about a modern Disney Princess being “adorkable” one more fucking time I’m seriously gonna lose my shit. Okay, I feel a little better now.

I genuinely appreciated Queen Amaya. As a person who once witnessed a loved one grow out of control with anger through self-pitying, jealousy, and playing the victim (it’s your fault I’m like this, look what you made me do, etc.) … well, sometimes there’s really nothing you can do but walk away; being a good, caring person has to come from within. Even the most well-intended person can’t drag the good out of someone when it isn’t there to begin with. Heh, and I know how corny that sounds, but hear me out; I think Amaya turned a blind eye to Magnifico’s obvious red flags because she loved him, and possibly because she was privy to his backstory she allowed the indulgence of his pathological need to be praised. They had built this kingdom together out of supposed openness and acceptance, so she’d have no reason to believe he’d someday turn more power-hungry. It definitely had to be an eye-opener the moment he turned around and basically accused her of being the traitor; she had clearly done nothing but love, support, and believe in him all this time. I don’t think there was any going back for her after that, especially when she realized he didn’t care if he was hurting innocent people.

Magnifico thrived on control. There’s no way he believed the grandfather’s or any of the other wishes were actual threats, he just knew granting them would do nothing to feed his own ego. If it won’t make himself look good, why bother? I also think he enjoyed keeping all those wishes as a collection, as a personal status symbol. They made him feel important and powerful.

The music was … okay and might grow on me. I’ll always be a sucker for the princess “I Want” songs including This Wish, as they always take me back to being a young teen; I’ll definitely be adding it to playlists. I also found This is the Thanks I Get pretty fun, despite a lot of people dumping on it. Knowing What I Know Now is rousing and has a lot of great potential, but some of the lyrics and the way they were sung rubbed me the wrong way. I’m a Star was … well, it works in the context of the film, but having them pause the whole song multiple times for someone to yell that fact out becomes grating, lol. The score is beautiful and has a Spanish flair to it.

I know a lot of people found the Easter eggs/callbacks distracting or outright pandering, but I rather enjoyed them. Maybe I’m alone in thinking that it’s ok to be nostalgic just for the sake of it, but I think it works given the premise of the movie. I don’t see it as Disney trying to tie all their IP together in some kind of complicated multiverse, I see them all as tributes. From the immediately recognizable font at the opening to the grandfather’s wish being realized just before the credits, I was crying. Hell, I was even crying throughout the damned credits over all the visuals. So many pieces of not only my own childhood were represented, but those of Little Dude’s (who is turning 10 next month!).

I can’t wait until it’s streaming so I can revisit.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

Disney’s Bleak Box Office Streak: ‘Wish’ Is the Latest Crack in the Studio’s Once-Invincible Armor
https://variety.com/2023/film/box-offic ... 235809251/

I won’t let Wish’s failure put me in despair. This can be a learning moment for Disney. All they need to do is learn that people want to see them go back to hand-drawn animation on a bigger scale beyond #OnceUponAStudio, starting with Walt Disney Animation Studios’ Disney+ #ThePrincessAndTheFrog sequel series #Tiana (when it comes out in late 2024 or in 2025) and maybe that #MickeyMouse movie they can put back into production for a theatrical release in 2028 for Mickey’s 100th birthday called #TheSearchForMickeyMouse, which #OnceUponAStudio’s directors/writers, animator Eric Goldberg, and Disney composer/lyricist Richard Sherman (before he passes on) can work on now or after the potential win of #OnceUponAStudio at the Oscars for Best Animated Short this coming Spring.

Really, I just hope Bob Iger learns the correct lessons from the failure of #Wish and not give in to it. As Walt Disney said and the movie by the name of #MeetTheRobinsons made clear, all we have to do is just let go of the past and #KeepMovingForward, a lesson we all should learn.

[The Disneynerd]

I think the movie will end up grossing around 200-300 Million$, but clearly not 400+.

I won’t let Wish’s failure put me in despair. This can be a learning moment for Disney. All they need to do is learn that people want to see them go back to hand-drawn animation on a bigger scale beyond #OnceUponAStudio, starting with Walt Disney Animation Studios’ Disney+ #ThePrincessAndTheFrog sequel series #Tiana (when it comes out in late 2024 or in 2025) and maybe that #MickeyMouse movie they can put back into production for a theatrical release in 2028 for Mickey’s 100th birthday called #TheSearchForMickeyMouse, which #OnceUponAStudio’s directors/writers, animator Eric Goldberg, and Disney composer/lyricist Richard Sherman (before he passes on) can work on now or after the potential win of #OnceUponAStudio at the Oscars for Best Animated Short this coming Spring.

I also think its a great lesson for Disney, but not because of the animation. The big thing Disney need to get from this is that at the end of the day, STORY matters, its what we all come (back) for. I could look over Wishs Animation Style, but the bland story is what most people including me complain about. I think it would be also cool if Wish was in 2d, but this wouldnt have changed my perception that the story is so soulless. I think you could compare it to Little Mermaid with maybe Princess and the Frog or Aladdin: you can clearly tell that Little Mermaids Animation isnt as clean or polished as the latter 2, you could screenshot them and see how beautiful the artwork was done, thats mostly due to them being made in CAPS and Mermaid being the last which was animated with the cel method thing so the animation doesnt look as sharp and eye pleasing as the other ones (just my opinion and im not saying Mermaids animation is bad, which its not, just saying the other movies animation look a bit better). I could even throw in other movies like Fox and Hound or Robin Hood etc. You could say their animation isnt as detailed or eye pleasing as the newer ones from the 2000s (ESPECIALLY CG animation aged), but their story is what will be timeless at the end, thats what drives me back to watch them again, THATS the thing that will make the movies stand the test of time, including Mermaid and Shrek (2) of course (I Love those movies ). What I wanna say with this is that the animation style shouldnt and wont be the selling point. Im also a fan of classic 2d Animation, and Animation can elevate a story, but if there IS no story, then even the most beautiful animation cant save it. STORY is the heart of every movie, characters and their flaws that fill the story and a great personal lesson, everything Wish doesnt have.
And Im not against CG animation AT ALL! Sometimes you even benefit from it even more than 2d Animation! For example, Miraculous would have been actually 2d (anime), but doing Ladybugs costume in 2d would have been difficult to do in handdrwan because of her dots in her costume, thats the main reason why they switched the series into 3d (would have been more eyepleasing in 2d but its alright) . And Spiderverses Comic book style with those iconic comic dots wouldnt also work in 2d for the same reason. And I think those elements elevate the experience and feel of those movies/ series. With CG you can add details that you cant in 2d, but its only benefitial if the story demands those details.

[Disney Duster]

Ok, so I have stayed out of this thread to avoid spoilers. I will read the whole thread eventually, to see what everyone else has been saying, but here is my thoughts real quick for now:

I went to see Wish Sunday night with two friends. They gave it a 6 out of 10, but I give it an 8 out of 10! I LOVED it! It was magical! The watercolor look of the animation was beautiful! The story and Disney easter eggs were surprising, and the way they resolved the climax so satisfying! The voice acting of Ariana DeBose was so good! You know, when she wasn’t being annoyingly adorkable like in the beginning, lol! I very much liked Asha by the end. The songs were mostly good! Simon, Dario, Valentino, and star were so cute! And I loved the Cinderella references of course! Catch Cinderella’s transformation used on Asha when she became a Fairy Godmother? I guess the only thing is there wasn’t as much emotion as there could have been, but I still loved this movie and will buy it! A great celebration of Disney’s 100th anniversary!

[blackcauldron85]

I thought of another Easter egg today: Moana reference when they're drumming in "Knowing What I Know Now."

Some of these song criticisms of mine I've had from the first listen(s)...I listened to the soundtrack a lot at work today. I absolutely love it, but some lyrics I find strange:

"Welcome to Rosas":
So like

This doesn't bother me too much, she is a teenager, but it still feels slightly off.

"At All Costs":
If someone tried to hurt you, I don't
See how that could happen

I don't know if it's...not bad grammar per se, but worded a bit weird.

"I'm A Star":
But if you just see the mushrooms then you'll understand

Why just the mushrooms?

"This Is The Thanks I Get?!":
I'd give the clothes off Benito's back...
I'd be the first one to volunteer, Henry!
...
Since the day you were born
And the day that we met

I find it weird because who are Benito and Henry, and I guess what does Magnifico offering their services have to do with what he's singing about? I get that he's saying he'd do anything for his kingdom... And for many in the kingdom, they weren't born there...

"Knowing What I Know Now":
Bazeema:
I was sweet but now I’m something else
...
Asha:
But we're something else

Just kind of vague...what else?!

[UmbrellaFish]

"I'm A Star":
But if you just see the mushrooms then you'll understand

Why just the mushrooms?

This also stuck out to me and I wondered if it wasn’t supposed to be a shrooms joke…?

This is one of my favorite songs in the movie, but I also feel like it kind of ends abruptly.

"This Is The Thanks I Get?!":
I'd give the clothes off Benito's back...
I'd be the first one to volunteer, Henry!
...
Since the day you were born
And the day that we met

I find it weird because who are Benito and Henry, and I guess what does Magnifico offering their services have to do with what he's singing about? I get that he's saying he'd do anything for his kingdom... And for many in the kingdom, they weren't born there...

When I first heard this song I imagined Magnifico sang this in front of an audience— either the townspeople or the Teens (I didn’t memorize their names prior to watching the film… actually, I still couldn’t tell you most of their names!), so I thought we’d see Benito and Henry during the song. It’s just as weird as watching “Under the Sea” in the TLM remake and Sebastian spouting off all these super specific lyrics… but it’s not depicted on the screen. I don’t like it.

The one lyric that annoys me every time I hear it is in “I’m a Star” (a song which despite my issues I’ve just written about, I enjoy best out of the soundtrack): “Watch out world here I are.” You can really tell the songwriters are more accustomed to writing pop than musical theatre!

[Elladorine]

The one lyric that annoys me every time I hear it is in “I’m a Star” (a song which despite my issues I’ve just written about, I enjoy best out of the soundtrack): “Watch out world here I are.” You can really tell the songwriters are more accustomed to writing pop than musical theatre!

I immediately thought of Glee.

Hey, you, over there
Keep the "L" up-up in the air
Hey, you, over there
Keep the "L" up, cuz I don't care
You can throw your sticks
And you can throw your stones
Like a rocket, just watch me go
Yeah, L-O-S-E-R
I can only be who I are

[blackcauldron85]

This also stuck out to me and I wondered if it wasn’t supposed to be a shrooms joke…?

Ooooh. I never would have thought of that!

[Sotiris]

Development on “Wish” began in 2018, and Veerasunthorn joined the project as head of story two years later. But after the first internal work-in-progress screening, the film was at an impasse. Star, a character that, as its name suggests, is a celestial body, originally could speak. But a wishing star that provided direct guidance didn’t allow Asha the space to figure out her own journey. Veerasunthorn offered solutions. Lee recalled of that period: “She was the one who said, ‘This is never going to come together if you can’t feel that what we’re ultimately saying is that this is not just about celebrating wishes. This is about really showing the importance of you working hard to make your dreams come true.’”

After that “Wish” screening, Lee — who also served as the film’s co-writer and executive producer — offered Veerasunthorn a directing role alongside Buck in early 2022. It was similar to the transition Lee herself had made on “Frozen,” when she joined Buck as a director midway through that production. For Buck, who made his directorial debut on the 1999 Disney film “Tarzan,” forgoing solo duties again was a welcome reprieve. “These movies are such monsters that, hats off to someone who can do it by themselves. I can’t,” he said, adding that he needs the support. “I love the collaboration.”

Away from the studio, Veerasunthorn and her husband, Ryan Green, whom she met in college and who also works in animation at Disney, share a daughter, Kina, who is 7. When Kina first watched the film’s ending, she was left bawling. Further test screenings would lead the directors to alter the finale to be less traumatic.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/24/movi ... thorn.html