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I honestly love cheesy endings where everybody helps the main character defeat the villain with the power of their hearts, Pretty Cure anime style

They're very basic but the scene where everybody has a star in their heart can be very powerful and touching if done right

Anybody has seen the ending of the movie Summer Wars?
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In the Magic of Dreams book, it says that Bazeema “goes to her quiet place to dream”. I wonder if the movie will expand upon this (i.e. if we’ll find out where this “quiet place” is and what exactly Bazeema dreams about). By the way, I think the illustration of Bazeema in that part of the book is actually better than the one of her on the back cover of one of the other books. She looks pretty much the same but I think they’ve fixed her eyes somehow so they look more cute than creepy.
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I like that one of the artworks shows that all the Teens work at the castle in some compacity. It isn't just Dahlia who works there. Also, the King Magnifico one is so deliciously wicked that I'm starting to think that he does this during "This Is The Thanks I Get".
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Well, after having seen the YouTube-videos of the new books, I must say that I`m with the majority of you guys here: The story is somewhat disappointing. The plot seems too slight, conventional and straight-forward. Overall, it doesn`t seem to be about Asha`s own personal wants and needs. She just seems to a be an object for the events to happening, instead of having the plot revolving around her. But who knows? Perhaps I`m going to find the plot more compelling when I`m ordering the Junior Novelization and seeing the movie?
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Not to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing. :huh:

A part of me wants to tell the folks who say it will bomb and/or refuse to see it, “Fine. Go ahead and don’t see it. But if it flops and when they announce another Frozen or Toy Story sequel or more live action remakes, it’s your own damn fault! :roll:
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DisneyFan09 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:32 am Overall, it doesn`t seem to be about Asha`s own personal wants and needs. She just seems to a be an object for the events to happening, instead of having the plot revolving around her. But who knows? Perhaps I`m going to find the plot more compelling when I`m ordering the Junior Novelization and seeing the movie?
I'd argue that Belle and Rapunzel are in the same position as Asha is when it comes to their stories, where they don't have an arc/plot involvement per-say, but still doesn't need one to be fine characters to watch. Wish seems to be about a battle of philosophies/ideas between Asha and King Magnifico on how wishes work and how they should be granted. Quite honestly, I find that a very interesting and engaging story to watch, you don't get Disney Animated films where the hero and the villain seems to be on the same page at first until their own certain actions put them on different paths.

The smaller books for children do tend to leave out certain details that give the story and characters their own interesting nuances. The Deluxe Junior novelization, and obviously the film itself, will certainly fill in the missing blanks for sure.
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DisneyJedi wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 am Not to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing. :huh:

A part of me wants to tell the folks who say it will bomb and/or refuse to see it, “Fine. Go ahead and don’t see it. But if it flops and when they announce another Frozen or Toy Story sequel or more live action remakes, it’s your own damn fault! :roll:
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Musical Master wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:57 am I'd argue that Belle and Rapunzel are in the same position as Asha is when it comes to their stories, where they don't have an arc/plot involvement per-say, but still doesn't need one to be fine characters to watch. Wish seems to be about a battle of philosophies/ideas between Asha and King Magnifico on how wishes work and how they should be granted. Quite honestly, I find that a very interesting and engaging story to watch, you don't get Disney Animated films where the hero and the villain seems to be on the same page at first until their own certain actions put them on different paths.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Rapunzel was highly in charge of being both a catalyst and an agent to her own story. The plot revolved around her desire to get out of her prison and fulfill her wish by getting to see the device that was her calling. Belle, on the other hand, had a lesser arc, but her experience at the castle was essentially more satisfying than being in her poor, provincial life. Which called for her desire to live in an adventure. And besides, Belle essentially had an arc of her own: She came to realize that there was something good in the Beast all along, something that she didn`t realized at first.
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DisneyJedi wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 amNot to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing. :huh:
There's no need to worry. The second Wish trailer was the most watched trailer for a WDAS film since Frozen 2. That's an indication the film will perform well. Besides, after Stanger World, there's no place to go but up. Anything better than Strange World's box office results will be considered a win.
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DisneyFan09 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:16 pm
Musical Master wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:57 am I'd argue that Belle and Rapunzel are in the same position as Asha is when it comes to their stories, where they don't have an arc/plot involvement per-say, but still doesn't need one to be fine characters to watch. Wish seems to be about a battle of philosophies/ideas between Asha and King Magnifico on how wishes work and how they should be granted. Quite honestly, I find that a very interesting and engaging story to watch, you don't get Disney Animated films where the hero and the villain seems to be on the same page at first until their own certain actions put them on different paths.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Rapunzel was highly in charge of being both a catalyst and an agent to her own story. The plot revolved around her desire to get out of her prison and fulfill her wish by getting to see the device that was her calling. Belle, on the other hand, had a lesser arc, but her experience at the castle was essentially more satisfying than being in her poor, provincial life. Which called for her desire to live in an adventure. And besides, Belle essentially had an arc of her own: She came to realize that there was something good in the Beast all along, something that she didn`t realized at first.
I don't know about that; Rapunzel didn't really get things in motion until Flynn showed up when he entered the tower, which I wouldn't call that being "of her own agency". Flynn Rider was the "catalyst" who actually drove the story and changed as a character, not Rapunzel. I'd argue that the TV series does more for Rapunzel as a character who had actions that drove the story forward and had actual consequences/stakes than anything she did in the movie.

As for Belle, the whole "adventure in the great wide somewhere" could be looked at by some as a vague fill-in-the-blank character function that was the writers' way to give Belle something to hold on to, when in reality the Beast was the one who had learned, changed and grew and it actually meant something. She did indeed saw something good in the Beast, but only when he stopped being a complete jerk which he was acting like in the beginning, which I wouldn't call the best arc in the world. I'll give credit that Belle did save his life when she could've left him for dead, but that was the one moment in the whole film where she did take action in her own story (and her showing the townsfolk the Beast with the magic mirror is an honorable mention). The original fairy tale is about Belle, but the Disney version is about the Beast and there is nothing wrong with that.

Both Belle and Rapunzel are not bad characters by any means, but to me, they both feel that the writers kind of struggled with how to handle their own development and amount of agency. When there were other protagonists who had stronger writing and were very focused on in comparison to the female leads. Not everyone sees it that way, and it could be chalked up to the writers just wanting the two films be fairy tales where the story drives it before anything else, which is perfectly fine.

That's my two cents anyway.
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Sotiris wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:24 pm
DisneyJedi wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 amNot to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing. :huh:
There's no need to worry. The second Wish trailer was the most watched trailer for a WDAS since Frozen 2. That's an indication the film will perform well. Besides, after Stanger World, there's no place to go but up. Anything better than Strange World's box office results will be considered a win.
Oh, I agree definitely. Not to mention that the marketing will be far better than Strange World ever got.
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Musical Master wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:07 pm
DisneyFan09 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:16 pm
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Rapunzel was highly in charge of being both a catalyst and an agent to her own story. The plot revolved around her desire to get out of her prison and fulfill her wish by getting to see the device that was her calling. Belle, on the other hand, had a lesser arc, but her experience at the castle was essentially more satisfying than being in her poor, provincial life. Which called for her desire to live in an adventure. And besides, Belle essentially had an arc of her own: She came to realize that there was something good in the Beast all along, something that she didn`t realized at first.
I don't know about that; Rapunzel didn't really get things in motion until Flynn showed up when he entered the tower, which I wouldn't call that being "of her own agency". Flynn Rider was the "catalyst" who actually drove the story and changed as a character, not Rapunzel. I'd argue that the TV series does more for Rapunzel as a character who had actions that drove the story forward and had actual consequences/stakes than anything she did in the movie.

As for Belle, the whole "adventure in the great wide somewhere" could be looked at by some as a vague fill-in-the-blank character function that was the writers' way to give Belle something to hold on to, when in reality the Beast was the one who had learned, changed and grew and it actually meant something. She did indeed saw something good in the Beast, but only when he stopped being a complete jerk which he was acting like in the beginning, which I wouldn't call the best arc in the world. I'll give credit that Belle did save his life when she could've left him for dead, but that was the one moment in the whole film where she did take action in her own story (and her showing the townsfolk the Beast with the magic mirror is an honorable mention). The original fairy tale is about Belle, but the Disney version is about the Beast and there is nothing wrong with that.

Both Belle and Rapunzel are not bad characters by any means, but to me, they both feel that the writers kind of struggled with how to handle their own development and amount of agency. When there were other protagonists who had stronger writing and were very focused on in comparison to the female leads. Not everyone sees it that way, and it could be chalked up to the writers just wanting the two films be fairy tales where the story drives it before anything else, which is perfectly fine.

That's my two cents anyway.
Well, okay. We can agree to disagree, then.
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Yep yep! :)
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Sotiris wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:24 pm There's no need to worry. The second Wish trailer was the most watched trailer for a WDAS since Frozen 2. That's an indication the film will perform well. Besides, after Stanger World, there's no place to go but up. Anything better than Strange World's box office results will be considered a win.
There has only been 3 movies since then anyway. Strange world certainly isn't going to be hard to beat, but raya and encanto didn't do great at the box office either. So is it really that promising of a statement that it got the most views since frozen 2?
DisneyJedi wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 am Not to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing. :huh:

A part of me wants to tell the folks who say it will bomb and/or refuse to see it, “Fine. Go ahead and don’t see it. But if it flops and when they announce another Frozen or Toy Story sequel or more live action remakes, it’s your own damn fault! :roll:
This isn't some charity, the onus is on them to make interesting movies and market them appropriately. I'll still see it, I try to see every new animated movie they put out, but they need to make sure their original ip engages the public, the way they used to.
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Sotiris wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:24 pm
DisneyJedi wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 amNot to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing. :huh:
There's no need to worry. The second Wish trailer was the most watched trailer for a WDAS since Frozen 2. That's an indication the film will perform well. Besides, after Stanger World, there's no place to go but up. Anything better than Strange World's box office results will be considered a win.
True. Though people have been griping about the video quality, even though the YT quality on the OG post does the animation no justice. I’m personally hoping and praying it ends up being the box office hit Disney really needs.
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