Wish

[Tacs]

I guess this is the new version of "it's the story that matters, not the medium" corporate BS speak. To hear Lee, a creative, say hand-drawn animation is limiting in terms of characterization, is beyond defeating. If anything, hand-drawn animation is superior when it comes to characters emoting and characters acting, those very things that give characters their personality.

Unless you're making an effects heavy/action movie, camera movements should be on the very bottom of the list of reasons why you opt for one medium over another. Gorgeous, breath-taking, sweeping shots have successfully been produced in hand-drawn films before.

This is super disappointing.

However, Lee said their upcoming short, Once Upon a Studio, ended up becoming the project that celebrates Disney’s 2D and 3D traditions. “We didn't know if it would work, and it did,” she shared.

It works in theory. In practice, characters look subpar and you relegated it to Disney+. And apparently you don't mind mining 2D animation when people need to be reminded of Disney's legacy and when you need to sell a product, but heaven forbid you actually do something new and concrete with it.

Long story short, don't expect any real return of hand-drawn animation.

EDIT: I've browsed several comment sections under the trailer, both on YT and Instagram, and a lot of people who don't appear to be animation aficionados are asking why the animation looks "unfinished". That speaks volumes about this "technology that could finally take away limitations."

How about you get off your ass and make something 2d animated yourself then, you can always not watch this thing, plenty of people to take your place, you think anyone complaining about the animation is gonna even make up 10% of sales, or lack theorf? Wahhh wahhh, I want my cartoons animated on a piece of paper instead of a computer! Cry harder, seriously.

[Tacs]

So anyone else wants to take a potshot at this movie?! Step right up. Jesus, you'd assume your not fans of anything Disney based on how you all drawl on about the most nitpicking ass details. Yet I bet money that if DreamWorks or any other animation studio did this, you'd be all on your knees chomping on their junk! Doesn't Nimona have this EXACT same type of atrstyle?! Heard nobody say a GODDAMN thing, not one. call me a shill or whatever the hell, but I'm not wrong!

[Mooky]

Sotiris, there are age limits for joining the forum, aren't there? I'm sensing some unchecked tween anger here.

[Sotiris]

Everyone please ignore the posts made by the new member Tacs who has now been banned. He's an infamous troll who lurks forums and comment sections trying to bait people and start flame wars.

[reee9948]

I'm not sure how often Disney releases second trailers, but if they do I think it will be released around October 17th the same time when Frozen released their second trailer.

[reee9948]

Director Fawn had released an Instagram Story saying that they have just started color timing (or color grading) today. I'm not familiar with the animation process, so I'm not sure if color grading can save the animation from looking flat and unfinished.

[ElMaximo13]

I’m kind of disappointed no one has given me their thoughts on a Peep Show version of Wish.

[Musical Master]

The concept art is gorgeous! It makes me want to own the art book once it comes out.

[Sotiris]

There. Is. A. Meaning. To. This!!! I just know it, lol.

To me, it seems like this is from the end of the movie where the Queen will thank Asha for what she's done for the kingdom and offer her the job of Magnifico to grant wishes. Asha will obviously find a better way to do things so everyone can have the chance to make their wish come true. Maybe even by stop relying on magic and working on it the old-fashioned way. In any case, I think it will reference the end of Mulan and her meeting with the Emperor. I don't believe the Queen will be a twist villain, not only because Disney has moved away from that, but also because she's a female character and modern Disney likes to put forth a female solidarity/anti-patriarchy message in their product.

[UmbrellaFish]

But is this the first Disney movie that ends in a divorce? I’m not trying being glib… usually if a character is a villain, their partner is deceased. If Queen Amaya is still alive and married to the evil Magnifico, she must impact the story in some significant way… or maybe it’s just poor writing.

[Sotiris]

I don't believe the Queen will play a big part in the film. The story was even conceived without her.

Q: I don’t know if it’s just a result of things changing and shifting and evolving, and then realizing that there’s something needed that wasn’t there yet, but with these animated movies, it seems like there’s always a character that gets added late in the game. Is there one that got added to Wish? Is there a character that you can’t imagine the film without now, but that wasn’t there, in the beginning?

Jennifer Lee: The queen wasn’t there, in the beginning, but she was there early enough that, when I was in the writing stage, she had already come. She’s been one of my favorite additions to it.

Source: https://collider.com/wish-movie-jennifer-lee-interview/

[D82]

Oh the links dont work for me Really unfortunate cause me lovesssssss concept art

Oh, I'm sorry. Anyway, Farerb has posted all the concept art from those articles. Here are a couple more:


Source: https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2023/09/28/ ... ven-songs/


Source: https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2023/09/28/ ... dios-wish/

I dont know why but I think its a tribute to Phoebus where he works for the law and kingdom and over time learns the truth and fights along for whats right

That's possible.

You can tell which character will be LBGT based on who is voicing them, something that wasn't true in the past. That's why we already know Gabo is gay and Hal non-binary. Nowadays a character needs to reflect every marginalized community an actor belongs to and vice versa.

It seems that's not only true for LGBT characters. Dahlia's voice actress, for example, also has a disability in real life according to IMDb. I doubt Asha will be bisexual like Ariana DeBose, though. I mean, she might be, but most likely she won't have a love interest and I don't think they'll reveal anything about her sexual orientation.

Director Fawn had released an Instagram Story saying that they have just started color timing (or color grading) today. I'm not familiar with the animation process, so I'm not sure if color grading can save the animation from looking flat and unfinished.

I'm not an expert either, but I don't think that'll have an effect on the animation itself.

I’m kind of disappointed no one has given me their thoughts on a Peep Show version of Wish.

I haven't seen that show. It sounds interesting, but I think that approach would be a bit too complicated for a family film like Wish whose main target audience is children.

To me, it seems like this is from the end of the movie where the Queen will thank Asha for what she's done for the kingdom and offer her the job of Magnifico to grant wishes. Asha will obviously find a better way to do things so everyone can have the chance to make their wish come true. Maybe even by stop relying on magic and working on it the old-fashioned way. In any case, I think it will reference the end of Mulan and her meeting with the Emperor.

That sounds likely.

But is this the first Disney movie that ends in a divorce?

Perhaps Magnifico is redeemed by the end and they don't have to split or she doesn't need to become a widow.

Speaking of Amaya, here are official pictures of the petite set and some more info about her from an article about Wish's characters:

QUEEN AMAYA is the wife and sounding board of King Magnifico. The kind and confident queen champions Asha in her pursuit of the one of the most coveted roles in the kingdom: the King’s apprentice. She is loving and devoted to her husband, but she’s not afraid to share her opinion with the ruler of Rosas. Filmmakers saw Amaya and Magnifico as a power couple—both in personality and appearance. “We looked at real-life power couples—people who are total winners,” says Bill Schwab, art director, characters. “Amaya and Magnifico look great together. They’re aspirational—larger than life. They command a room.”

Angelique Cabral lends her voice to Queen Amaya. “She has a comedy background and such warmth to her voice,” says Kim. “When we cut Angelique’s voice with Chris Pine’s, everyone felt they paired so well together.”

Source: https://mamasgeeky.com/2023/09/disneys- ... ained.html

Among other things, the article also reveals Asha's mother is a seamstress and makes Valentino's pajamas, says the wish-granting ceremony takes place once a month and only one person gets their wish granted each time, and confirms Dhalia is a baker or that each Teen wears the same color pallete as the dwarf they're inspired by and their names begin with the same letter.

[Pokenonbinary]

I hope the movie is good because the trailer is very streaming service movie...

Also the animation is ugly AF

[Farerb]

If Magnifico is redeemed by the end, which I still think he will cause he seems more misguided than outright evil, will people still claim he's a traditional Disney villain? In that case why isn't Namaari considered one as well?

[Pokenonbinary]

I don't get why the anti-woke dudebros in twitter are calling King Magnifico a white man when in all the concept arts he's a extremly obvious brown man.

They just want to create the narrative of white male villain vs black female hero (whe Asha is biracial not black too)

If Magnifico is redeemed by the end, which I still think he will cause he seems more misguided than outright evil, will people still claim he's a traditional Disney villain? In that case why isn't Namaari considered one as well?

I personally consider Namaari a villain, she's the enemy for 90% of the movie, so that's enough to me at least

[reee9948]

When does Disney usually start rolling out Youtube ads for their movies?

[Sotiris]

It seems that's not only true for LGBT characters. Dahlia's voice actress, for example, also has a disability in real life according to IMDb. I doubt Asha will be bisexual like Ariana DeBose, though. I mean, she might be, but most likely she won't have a love interest and I don't think they'll reveal anything about her sexual orientation.

Yes, I noticed that too. It applies to other aspects such as body type as well. Dahlia and Gabo's body types match that of their voice actors. You're right about Asha. She will not show a romantic interest in either men or women in the movie, so Ariana's sexuality won't be an issue.

I hope the movie is good because the trailer is very streaming service movie... Also the animation is ugly AF

I agree about the animation. I don't understand why people like non-photorealistic rendering. It doesn't have the organic feel and fluidity of 2D nor the realism and detail of CG. It just looks like previz; barebones, unfinished computer animation that's not meant to be seen by the public.

If Magnifico is redeemed by the end, which I still think he will cause he seems more misguided than outright evil, will people still claim he's a traditional Disney villain? In that case why isn't Namaari considered one as well?

If he's redeemed, than yes, he can't be considered a traditional villain. Arguably, he can't be considered that now either, because classic villains aren't misguided or have a tragic past. In any case, I don't believe he'll be redeemed at the end; he seems too unhinged for that.

I don't get why the anti-woke dudebros in twitter are calling King Magnifico a white man when in all the concept arts he's a extremely obvious brown man.

Well, his skin tone is not very consistent, but he's clearly meant to be white. You may claim that people from Spain or Italy aren't white, but Americans see them as such and that includes the people who created these characters. They could have easily given the villain African ancestry too, but they didn't. That can't be a coincidence. These are original characters, so aspects like race, ethnicity, gender etc. had to be considered when crafting them.

IThey just want to create the narrative of white male villain vs black female hero (when Asha is biracial not black too).

Again, you claim that, but Black people mixed with white (or what is viewed to be white) are considered Black in the U.S. All pro-Black groups and movements in America share this position. I'm not saying it's right or accurate, but that's the dominant cultural perception here.

[Jules]

Well ... if Magnifico is redeemed in the end, I guess that would make him a twist-hot-daddy?

[Sotiris]

Why does everything need to be a "first" with them? And is it really? What's The Emperor's New Groove, Moana, Raya, and Encanto then?

“This is our first original fairy tale,” Lee said. “It honors our 100-year legacy and celebrates the original storytelling that we’re going to keep pushing ourselves to do, driving our stories forward.”

Source: https://d23.com/watch-a-new-wish-traile ... the-movie/


What a load of BS. Not to mention, calling 2D animation "backwards" adds insult to injury.

“I think with ‘Wish,’ what we were realistic about with ourselves is based on where we are technology-wise, the schedules, what we do,” added Lee. “Not going backwards from the power of CG and what it’s given us, but really pushing to make sure that the hand-drawn is coming with it. Every frame is built layer upon layer. And when you can get Lisa Keene’s painting to resonate and then become not just three-dimensional but actually animated, that was the ultimate goal for me.

“So will we do something that’s strictly hand-drawn only?” she continued. “We might. But I don’t know. There’s nothing saying we wouldn’t do that. But it’s a different way to build. It’s a different way to do it. It’s a different production system. All of those things we recognize, but we don’t want to be afraid of, so we have to continue that legacy. What I’m excited about is we’re seeing a celebration of the fact that animation isn’t here to mimic life. It’s here to transport you in a way that you can surrender to this whole other kind of world.”

Source: https://www.indiewire.com/features/anim ... 234909207/

[Thumper_93]

Dolls are starting to appear in Spain. I saw these three models. I bought Asha with the star and Valentino