Snow White (Live-Action)

[Toky]

It’s definitely Disney…as if there are more companies filming the same movie at the same time in England….These are stunt doubles…

The dress is exactly the same…
Plus, the colour palette of the outfits is undeniably Sandy Powell…it are the same colours and paterns as in Cinderella…

Hopefully they’ll digitally make these ‘thief looking men and woman’ smaller…these are no dwarfs…this looks like rubbish…what is this company thinking…

[The Disneynerd]

Which group of modern dwarfs do you prefer?

The ones from Wish because they are just a loose hommage or hint of the dwarves while the others are the definitive version of them

Snow White being played by a non white person was something that made no sense at all!!! And this has nothing to do with racism, as I LOVED Halle as Ariel and Ariels skin color didnt define her character, but in Snow WHITES case, it does, its even adressed in the animated movie and the fairytale and that she is named after her skin color being "white as snow" lol
Anyway I could look away from that over time, but the DWARVES NOT BEING DWARFES??? lol this movie is everything but Snowwhite. The only good thing about it is Gal Gadot playing the badass evil Queen but thats it.

I hope from all my heart this movie flops so hard that Disney has a hard time to recover from it
Snow White and the 7 dwarves? Nope thats not inclusive enough! "Tanned White and the 1 dwarf and 6 other people"

[PatchofBlue]

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Is there like a specific kerfuffle going on with "the discourse" right now, or is it just more of the same racist nonsense?

[Lele]

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Is there like a specific kerfuffle going on with "the discourse" right now, or is it just more of the same racist nonsense?

Hilarious that you call people wanting Snow White actually looking like Snow White "racist nonsense" while you were triggered at me suggesting making non white princesses white.

Besides, looks like Zegler herself didnt think this is nonsensical as the first thing she said about the casting was that she won't make her skin lighter with makeup for the role to actually look like Snow White.

And I hope you better call her a nonsensical racist as she was liking tweets shading Nani's casting, but utter hypocrisy and double standards are pretty much typical from your alikes so at this point it doesnt even surprise me anymore.

[Lele]

I hope her "every child can be a princess" applies to a white child wanting to be Moana or Mulan, but I doubt it does since she was even against a one shade lighter hawaiian playing a hawaiian character.

Looks like only white princesses even named after being white are just free garbage for anyone to use and ruin to her and those who think like her, but God forbid some filthy white (or even looking too white) touches their sacred non white princesses, though now whites arent even allowed to play their own white characters lmfao.

[PatchofBlue]

I'll admit that I haven't been posting here long, but I haven't really yet been "triggered" by anything anyone here has said to or about me. If there's a point I disagree with and I think I can add something to the conversation, I voice my opinion calmly and civilly.

In that fashion ...

I continue to disagree with the claim that objecting to a POC actor playing a traditionally white character is interchangeable with objecting to a white actor playing a POC character. There are real world social dynamics and historical contexts to consider here. There are a dozen or so white princesses and like three non-white princesses--Disney doesn't even have a proper Latina princess. If you race-swap two of the white princesses to make them anything but white, there are still plenty of white princesses. Non-white audiences don't have anywhere near that same breadth, so taking away their few tokens of representation is sort of like stealing from those who are already left wanting.

[Lele]

I'll admit that I haven't been posting here long, but I haven't really yet been "triggered" by anything anyone here has said to or about me. If there's a point I disagree with and I think I can add something to the conversation, I voice my opinion calmly and civilly.

In that fashion ...

I continue to disagree with the claim that objecting to a POC actor playing a traditionally white character is interchangeable with objecting to a white actor playing a POC character. There are real world social dynamics and historical contexts to consider here. There are a dozen or so white princesses and like three non-white princesses--Disney doesn't even have a proper Latina princess. If you race-swap two of the white princesses to make them anything but white, there are still plenty of white princesses. Non-white audiences don't have anywhere near that same breadth, so taking away their few tokens of representation is sort of like stealing from those who are already left wanting.

Oh no, a majority white studio in a majority white country especially at the time has a majority of white characters, what a crime against humanity, the utter horror! Do you have the same complaints about majority "POC" countries not having enoigh white characters or it's only a crime when white people dare to make stories about white characters?

Yeah sorry,I forgot to add "nonsensical mental gymnastics to justify the position "we can steal and insult any story creared by whites but white should just shut up and accept that they can't claim even their own stories anymore, let alone try to touch non white stories" to my list in the original post.

[Thumper_93]

Everything looks so cheap in these pics. Snow white costume is awful. The haloween costumes that you can find in the parks are way better than the one that they've created.
The "drawfs" are simply horrible. They look like if they were part of a 70's bad tv show. I'm starting to think that Disney is going to have a problem with this movie just like the one that they had with Mulan. You changed Snow white? well it can pass but people are not going to tolerate changes like the dwarfs one. Let's wait for more info but right now I don't feel any kind of excitement for this movie.

[The_Iceflash]

I'll admit that I haven't been posting here long, but I haven't really yet been "triggered" by anything anyone here has said to or about me. If there's a point I disagree with and I think I can add something to the conversation, I voice my opinion calmly and civilly.

In that fashion ...

I continue to disagree with the claim that objecting to a POC actor playing a traditionally white character is interchangeable with objecting to a white actor playing a POC character. There are real world social dynamics and historical contexts to consider here. There are a dozen or so white princesses and like three non-white princesses--Disney doesn't even have a proper Latina princess. If you race-swap two of the white princesses to make them anything but white, there are still plenty of white princesses. Non-white audiences don't have anywhere near that same breadth, so taking away their few tokens of representation is sort of like stealing from those who are already left wanting.

This entire post is exactly why I hate the Disney Princess franchise line and why Disney has completely lost its focus. Disney used to just be about telling great, timeless stories. It shouldn’t be about how keeping track of how many of each type of person in represented. Representation is important but the stories and films shouldn’t be created with that being the priority and it needs to be realistic. Having a group in a film each being a different nationality and race is not realistic. Just like Ariel’s sisters each being a different nationality and race, no way. Representation shouldn’t look like the faux representation in 80s and 90s school textbooks.

[Disney's Divinity]

Actually, the line isn't far from having as many PoC princesses as White princesses at this point. I think it's 7 to 10 right now (and consider two of those 10 came from one movie--Frozen). Anyway, Mirabel was and will remain the first Latina princess? Encanto's working title was outright "Latina princess musical."

[Sotiris]

If Mirabel and Asha get inducted into the line-up, then we'll have more non-white (8) than white (7) princesses.

[carolinakid]

This is the question I’m curious about for those who insist Moana MUST be Polynesian, Tiana MUST be black, Mulan MUST be Chinese, etc.... Is there any character who’s white who MUST be white?

Just asking...

[Thumper_93]

The problem that I see right now is that Disney is affraid to make white characrters. It seems that if you create a white character you are making a wrong decission but if you make a black character everything seems to be perfect. With Wish they could have made an Spanish princess because the backgrounds from the movie are very similar to the architecture that exist in Spain and instead of making the princess spanish they do her afro with no reason. With Snow white they have choose a latina woman when they could have chosen a german one. Why a German women doesn't deserve to be represented in a story that takes place in her country? I'm starting to be tired about this whole situation. If you want representation then represent all kind of people and not only the peolpe that you want.

[The_Iceflash]

The problem that I see right now is that Disney is affraid to make white characrters. It seems that if you create a white character you are making a wrong decission but if you make a black character everything seems to be perfect. With Wish they could have made an Spanish princess because the backgrounds from the movie are very similar to the architecture that exist in Spain and instead of making the princess spanish they do her afro with no reason. With Snow white they have choose a latina woman when they could have chosen a german one. Why a German women doesn't deserve to be represented in a story that takes place in her country? I'm starting to be tired about this whole situation. If you want representation then represent all kind of people and not only the peolpe that you want.

The problem is that people think representation is only skin deep. That’s very superficial and very selective. Representation shouldn’t be limited to race or nationality, or gender or sexual orientation for that matter. There’s a lot more representation that gets overlooked because the focus of representation is very narrow which is ironically the opposite of what diversity.

[PatchofBlue]

I think that it's worth celebrating that Disney has gone out of its way these last few decades to include more non-white princesses, but that is kind of overlooking the way that the white princesses are still featured much more heavily than their non-white counterparts.

Mulan and Pocahontas especially are more honorary guest stars than active participants. And I know Raya has only recently been inducted, and I haven't exactly scoured every single article of princess swag, but I haven't seen Raya featured on a single piece of Disney Princess material. Meanwhile, Mirabel is not an official princess, and as far as I know there are no plans to swear her in or anything. I was also under the impression that Asha was going to stay separate.

The only POC princesses to be consistently promoted are Tiana and Jasmine--and maybe Moana. Which white princess gets left out of the conversation like this? Maybe Aurora? You know. The princess who has her own castle in like half of the Disney parks?

Even the possibility of the non-white princesses outnumbering the white princesses kind of overshadows that most non-white ethnicities have only a single member in the official line-up. Black girls have Tiana. Arabic girls have Jasmine. White girls have Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Rapunzel, Merida, and the Frozen sisters. I guess with Raya technically in the club now, Asian girls have two options on the table, but again, it remains to be seen how committed Disney is to treating her like a proper princess.

One of the things I appreciated about them race-swapping Ariel is that she is a fundamentally different type of character than Tiana, which I think is useful for black girls who obviously want to see themselves in something like the princess line but don't necessarily respond to Tiana as a character. Black women in general have historically only been allowed to exist in film as these strong self-made no-nonsense type characters, which is very much the mold that Tiana falls into. I think that is a valid representation of the human experience, but this is still a very narrow space in which a large fraction of the population is allowed to exist onscreen. Letting there be a black princess who is more bubbly rather than sassy goes a long way.

While I think there is value to creating "original" characters written as non-white from the ground up, this is kind of why I think race-swapping is an especially useful means of deconstructing racial biases in media. Characters who were originally written as white are more likely to be free of stereotypes linked to racial minorities onscreen, and so letting a POC actor embody a role that has been traditionally seen as white opens up doors for more honest representation.

As far as representation like distracting Disney from making quality stories or something ... I don't really have a lot to say. There are extra considerations as far as like making sure your presentation of historically marginalized groups stays clear of demeaning or limiting story tropes, but a good story is a good story no matter what the ethnicity of the protagonist. I also disagree with the idea that Disney is suddenly afraid to make films with white characters. We're coming right off of Strange World which had a diverse ensemble cast but a white lead.

Anyways, the fact that I am now put in a position where I am defending this movie is kind of hilarious to me because I have previously spoken about how much I don't care for the direction this remake is going.

[D82]

Set leaks of Snow White, the Seven Dwarfs and the Robin Hood-esque male love interest courtesy of the Daily Mail.

That confirms the film was going through reshoots. I guess they had to stop, though, due to the actors' strike.

Which group of modern dwarfs do you prefer?

I agree with Sotiris on this, but it's curious how much both groups resemble each other. And it's interesting that the characters from Wish actually look more like the original seven dwarfs (at least visually), as some share a similar color scheme. I'm not surprised by the racebending and genderbending of the ones from the remake, but I thought there would be more than one little person in the group and there would be at least some references to the original designs. Weren't they supposed to be magical creatures in this version, by the way? Maybe they'll be transformed in post, and also made smaller, like Toky said, but I doubt it. It's all the more jarring they look so different from the originals when Snow White's look is so inspired by the animated character.

The Dwarfs' outfits look a little cringey to me, they look too modern?

I agree. I get that they wanted to reference a modern style, probably to draw some parallels between both time periods like they did with Aladdin's street rat outfit in the remake, but the clothes should still look like they could've been made in the past and those hoodies in particular or the denim the female one seems to be wearing don't look period-accurate.

Still, the cloak makes her a bit Red Riding Hood-esque.

Yes, that was my first thought when I saw her. The cloak also looks a bit like the one Snow White wears in Mirror Mirror.

They look like hipsters from Brooklyn.

To me they look more like hippies from the sixties, though I guess the hoddies for instance are more modern than that, so maybe I'm wrong. Does the prince have the same style? I can't tell if he does. Could he be part of the group from the beginning? Maybe they are his "Merry Men."

They are not. From the first link you posted:

the studio later said the photos were from the production but were not official photos.

I don't understand why Disney even bothered to send out such a pointless and silly statement. As if people can't tell the difference between officially-sanctioned publicity photos and paparazzi photos taken during production.

I'm more surprised Disney first tried to make us think the images were fake. I think this is the first time they do something like that.

Plus, the colour palette of the outfits is undeniably Sandy Powell…it are the same colours and paterns as in Cinderella…

That's true. I immediately recognized her style as well.

Is there like a specific kerfuffle going on with "the discourse" right now, or is it just more of the same racist nonsense?

I think it's the same one that has just been revived thanks to the leaked photos. Anyway, I don't think Rachel Zegler is getting as much backlash as Halle Bailey did, simply because she's lighter skinned. Also, since she's not the first princess to be racebent like Ariel was. But the fact that the seven dwarfs are not dwarfs in this version and all the other changes will probably contribute to make this film just as controversial as The Little Mermaid.

And I know Raya has only recently been inducted, and I haven't exactly scoured every single article of princess swag, but I haven't seen Raya featured on a single piece of Disney Princess material.

Has she really been inducted? I've checked the official Disney Princess website and she's not featured there.

Even the possibility of the non-white princesses outnumbering the white princesses kind of overshadows that most non-white ethnicities have only a single member in the official line-up. Black girls have Tiana. Arabic girls have Jasmine. White girls have Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Rapunzel, Merida, and the Frozen sisters. I guess with Raya technically in the club now, Asian girls have two options on the table, but again, it remains to be seen how committed Disney is to treating her like a proper princess.

I was going to say the same. Caucasian is still the largest group by far. I also agree racebending one of the many white protagonists is not the same as robbing these other groups of the little representation they have. And I don't think there's currently a lack of white leads either.

While I think there is value to creating "original" characters written as non-white from the ground up, this is kind of why I think race-swapping is an especially useful means of deconstructing racial biases in media. Characters who were originally written as white are more likely to be free of stereotypes linked to racial minorities onscreen, and so letting a POC actor embody a role that has been traditionally seen as white opens up doors for more honest representation.

That's a very interesting point. I had never seen it from that perspective before. I think it also helps making people of color be seen as equals and worthy of playing iconic characters too.

As far as representation like distracting Disney from making quality stories or something ... I don't really have a lot to say. There are extra considerations as far as like making sure your presentation of historically marginalized groups stays clear of demeaning or limiting story tropes, but a good story is a good story no matter what the ethnicity of the protagonist. I also disagree with the idea that Disney is suddenly afraid to make films with white characters. We're coming right off of Strange World which had a diverse ensemble cast but a white lead.

Well, I think the fact that sometimes they want to check too many boxes in a single project can have an effect on the quality, but I agree the ethnicity of the protagonist alone does not make a story better or worse. In fact, some of their most successful and better regarded recent movies, like Moana or Encanto, have non-white leads.

[Sotiris]

The problem that I see right now is that Disney is affraid to make white characrters.

For Disney to create another white princess, she would have to check the diversity box in some other way such as in terms of size/weight, disability, sexuality, gender identity, neurodiversity etc.

With Wish they could have made an Spanish princess because the backgrounds from the movie are very similar to the architecture that exist in Spain and instead of making the princess Spanish they do her afro with no reason.

It's true that given the setting and the time period, choosing to make the protagonist of Wish Afro-Latina doesn't feel organic at all. I would love to see a Black princess film set in Africa and based on an African myth or folktale. There is such a wealth of lore and aesthetics to choose from, I don't understand why Disney insists on making Black princesses who aren't African. With The Princess and the Frog, they racebent a white princess and adapted a European fairytale while with Wish they created a story inspired by European fairytales and a setting and culture based on the Iberian peninsula.

I thought there would be more than one little person in the group and there would be at least some references to the original designs. Weren't they supposed to be magical creatures in this version, by the way? Maybe they'll be transformed in post, and also made smaller, like Toky said, but I doubt it.

Maybe Disney figured they didn't need more than one little person in the group given the particular one also checks the disability box. It's true Disney initially said the dwarfs would be magical creatures instead of people, so either that idea got scrapped along the way or they are in fact magical creatures who can transform into people.

Yes, that was my first thought when I saw her. The cloak also looks a bit like the one Snow White wears in Mirror Mirror.

I also agree about the cloak alluding to Little Red Riding Hood. It doesn't fit with the iconography of Snow White.

Does the prince have the same style? I can't tell if he does. Could he be part of the group from the beginning? Maybe they are his "Merry Men."

I think Jonathan has the same modern style albeit more monochromatic. I also believe they will be his "Merry Men" which means in this adaptation the "dwarfs" will be more associated and connected with the "prince" than Snow White.

I'm more surprised Disney first tried to make us think the images were fake. I think this is the first time they do something like that.

Perhaps they did that because they were planning to hide the "dwarfs" from the trailers and other publicity material knowing they would be controversial. This was their attempt to put the cat back in the bag.

Anyway, I don't think Rachel Zegler is getting as much backlash as Halle Bailey did, simply because she's lighter skinned. Also, since she's not the first princess to be racebent like Ariel was. But the fact that the seven dwarfs are not dwarfs in this version and all the other changes will probably contribute to make this film just as controversial as The Little Mermaid.

I think so too. Had they changed just Snow White's race/ethnicity while remaining faithful in all other areas, it wouldn't have generated such backlash. But all these radical changes will be hard to swallow by general audiences.

Has she really been inducted? I've checked the official Disney Princess website and she's not featured there.

It's surprising they haven't added her profile picture on the website yet, but she has definitely been inducted. At the bottom of the same website where it says "Discover (and Rediscover) Your Favorite Princess Films" her movie is featured. I'm sure it was just an oversight on Disney's part. On the Disney Store website, she was added a long time ago. I wish they would go back to having coronation ceremonies for new inductees. They stopped after Merida due to the controversy surrounding her inclusion into the franchise.

[Farerb]

Some "dwarf": We are the seven dwarfs.Every last one of us.

Snow White: But you're not all dwarfs.

Some "dwarf": So?

Snow White: Well, I guess it doesn't really matter.

[Sotiris]

That has to be one of the most nonsensical, cringe-worthy piece of dialogue in modern cinema.

[PatrickvD]

Aside from the fact that this will be terrible, I wish more people would talk about how sacrilege it is to remake Walt’s original film.

Everything about it is just off putting.