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Sotiris wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:57 am It sounds like when Magnifico will be defeated, Amaya will take over the kingdom. It seems the message isn't monarchies are bad; just men in power are.
Or it's that evil people in power are, since Magnifico is evil.

@Lele: Amaya is also White...

@carolinakid: No offense, but you haven't seen any of the movies released since Walt died in the 1960's. Safe bet you are not someone they could convince into theaters in any scenario if you weren't convinced by The Lion King, Aladdin, Tangled, Frozen, etc. :lol:

The reason I don't see Wish as being like TLM is because TLM's problem was that they cast an iconic red-haired character with someone who didn't have red hair, it was the character's defining feature. And then they cast middling choices for most of the rest of the cast as well, only Awkwafina and Tremblay felt like perfect casts. And since audiences had already become skeptical of remakes doing a bait-and-switch of promising to be a remake of something they liked only to change everything, cut half the cast, cut the soundtrack, etc. like with PP&W and Mulan, that was a fatal mistake. The property did have the potential to hit 900-1 billion level, and they blew it. A remake comes with different expectations than an original property.

Yes, D23, I thought you were overly aggressive to DisneyFan09 a page or so back, too. I keep trying to tell you not to let any negative comments bother you. The only way to deal with them is to keep posting what you think, resorting to personal attacks really just gives other people power over you.
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:02 am
Sotiris wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:57 am It sounds like when Magnifico will be defeated, Amaya will take over the kingdom. It seems the message isn't monarchies are bad; just men in power are.
Or it's that evil people in power are, since Magnifico is evil...

@Lele: Amaya is also White...

@carolinakid: No offense, but you haven't seen any of the movies released since Walt died in the 1960's. Safe bet you are not someone they could convince into theaters in any scenario if you weren't convinced by The Lion King, Aladdin, Tangled, Frozen, etc. :lol:
Yeah, tell โ€˜em, Disneyโ€™s Divinity.
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^ :lol: I'm still scrolling through a few of the posts from last page, but thank you, D23. :)
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:17 am ^ :lol: I'm still scrolling through a few of the posts from last page, but thank you, D23. :)
No problem. And sorry for overreacting in angerโ€ฆ AGAIN.
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With what you said before about other films that could compete with it, I don't think any of them are really dangerous to Wish. The Color Purple is probably the one that is most like this in some ways, with it being a musical like Wish with a largely diverse cast, but it's a much more serious film than this--not really what I think of as a "family" film exactly (as far as showing it to young children, it's very dark and heavy with subjects like rape, spousal abuse, racism, etc.), and Wish is lighter fare vying for the family audience. Even as far as animated films go, Migration and Wish don't feel like they would be big threats to one another, they can co-exist. Especially since Wish comes out a month before Migration.

GOTG3 and Avatar 2 have both succeeded recently, so I don't think the Disney name in general is what's wrong. Most of the flops have very individual problems. TLM had the cast issue as well as the baggage of past remakes to contend with, Elemental didn't look good at all and was PIXAR formulaic to the extreme, Strange World and Lightyear were both in a genre that's hit-and-miss for animated films, superhero film fatigue post-Endgame making it harder for new Marvel films. If I was going to worry about any upcoming animated film for Disney, it would be Elio since it's also a sci-fi film and following other recent sci-fi films that didn't succeed like SW and Lightyear will make it even harder for it to climb over that hill. And it's teaser, well... Let's say it didn't make me think Elio's chances are better than those despite my initial hopes.
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:37 am With what you said before about other films that could compete with it, I don't think any of them are really dangerous to Wish. The Color Purple is probably the one that is most like this in some ways, with it being a musical like Wish with a largely diverse cast, but it's a much more serious film than this--not really what I think of as a "family" film exactly (as far as showing it to young children, it's very dark and heavy with subjects like rape, spousal abuse, racism, etc.), and Wish is lighter fare vying for the family audience. Even as far as animated films go, Migration and Wish don't feel like they would be big threats to one another, they can co-exist. Especially since Wish comes out a month before Migration.

GOTG3 and Avatar 2 have both succeeded recently, so I don't think the Disney name in general is what's wrong. Most of the flops have very individual problems. TLM had the cast issue as well as the baggage of past remakes to contend with, Elemental didn't look good at all and was PIXAR formulaic to the extreme, Strange World and Lightyear were both in a genre that's hit-and-miss for animated films, superhero film fatigue post-Endgame making it harder for new Marvel films. If I was going to worry about any upcoming animated film for Disney, it would be Elio since it's also a sci-fi film and following other recent sci-fi films that didn't succeed like SW and Lightyear will make it even harder for it to climb over that hill. And it's teaser, well... Let's say it didn't make me think Elio's chances are better than those despite my initial hopes.
You forget, Disneyโ€™s Divinity, Disney and even Pixar have had one success with sci-fi movies and thatโ€™s Pixarโ€™s Wall-E. If Elio, combined with what made Wall-E and Coco work, is better than the teaser and gets better trailers and better marketing in the months to come, thereโ€™s a chance Elio can defy all odds and be a box office hit against all odds.

Plus, with rumors that Beyond the Spider-Verse wonโ€™t make its March 29, 2024 date, that gives Elio a chance to take its place and have all of April to itself so it wonโ€™t have to worry about being slaughtered by Kung Fu Panda 4, Godzilla X Kong: The New Empire, and Disneyโ€™s Snow White, especially if they choose to put Snow White in Elioโ€™s old date of March 1st, 2024 and move it up from March 22nd, 2024.
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Wish has The Marvels, The Hungers Games and Trolls 3 to complete with. The former two might get the teenagers and Trolls 3 might get the families and kids.
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Farerb wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:06 pm Wish has The Marvels, The Hungers Games and Trolls 3 to complete with. The former two might get the teenagers and Trolls 3 might get the families and kids.
The Marvels, even despite Captain Marvel being a billion dollar hit, is a wild card in a post-Endgame MCU because of many, many different reasons, Hunger Games doesnโ€™t have a lead A-list star and the same guarantee of success that the brand had after Mockingjay Part 2 ended the franchise on a whimper, plus Trolls 3 has to deal with coming out after its sequel was relegated to streaming. And Dreamworksโ€™ post-pandemic sequels have only opened in the $8-30M range.

So I think Wish is better positioned than most people imagine, Faerb, and Iโ€™m sure Disneyโ€™s Divinity agrees with me.
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Even the first Trolls only did around 350 million worldwide. I think Illumination's film (which does sound fun) would be more threatening than it is considering they've been pretty successful lately (Mario and Minions 2 were Illumination films, right?).
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:08 pm Even the first Trolls only did around 300 million worldwide. I think Illumination would be more threatening that it is considering they've been pretty successful lately (I think Mario and Minions 2 are Illumination films, right?).
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Some more new details (mild spoilers):


โ€ข Jennifer Lee didn't want to do a book adaptation this time.
The feature film was born out of the desire of Jennifer and Chris Buck, the duo who directed "Frozen: Ice Kingdom" (2013), to celebrate Disney's centennial in 2023.

"We talked a lot about how we could celebrate 100 years of storytelling and at the same time do it in a fresh, new way," explained Jennifer, who wanted to write an "original fairy tale, not based on a book."
Source: https://mag.sapo.pt/cinema/atualidade-c ... -na-franca


โ€ข The only song Asha doesn't sing is King Magnifico's villain song.
Like many studio classics, Wish was conceived as a musical film, and features no less than seven original songs written by the young Julia Michaels and accompanied by the music of Dave Metzger (Brother Bear 2). Jennifer Lee pointed out that Ariana DeBose (West Side Story), who lends her voice to Asha, sang almost all of them, with the exception of one track sung entirely by Magnifico (Chris Pine).
Source: https://www.serieously.com/wish-film-an ... ormations/


โ€ข Asha's father taught her to believe in the magic of the stars.
Asha, the protagonist, is a great dreamer and firmly believes in the magic of the stars guiding human beings, as her father who died prematurely taught her.
Source: https://tg24.sky.it/spettacolo/cinema/2 ... -anteprima


โ€ข I'm not sure what this means, but it's something new.
Once upon a time there was the island of Rosas--in the Spanish Mediterranean--a realm of spiritual and aesthetic beauty, where each creature is recognized as a star, made of hope and desire.
Source: https://news.cinecitta.com/IT/it-it/new ... isney.aspx


โ€ข The power to make wishes come true has always dwelled in Rosas and it's fueled by the wishing stars. Also, apparently, Asha is not an ordinary inhabitant of the kingdom.
Once upon a time, in the magical kingdom of Rosas located more or less off the coast of the Iberian Peninsula, there was a girl named Asha: seventeen years old, restless spirit, head full of dreams and above all wishes. We are in the early Middle Ages, well before Snow White or Sleeping Beauty, and the kingdom of Rosas is ruled by King Magnifico (a self-appointed appellation) along with the queen his wife; what makes Rosas a special kingdom, however, is the power to make all wishes come true, a power that has always dwelled there and is fueled by the wishing stars that shine in the night sky. King Magnifico is a guardian of that power; he is the one who literally preserves and protects the wishes of his people, occasionally granting someone the good fortune to see them fulfilled. The truth, however, is that King Magnifico would like to hold those wishes to himself forever, to preserve his own kingdom and keep his people under the yoke of his own power. Until, one night, Asha discovers that she herself is a keeper of the power of wishes, as well as the only person to threaten King Magnificent's throne.
Source: https://www.spettacolo.eu/wish-jennifer ... enta-film/


โ€ข It seems the origin of Magnifico's magic is a sphere coming from the cosmos.
The very king of an ideal place called Rosas (King Magnifico), very gifted in the matter of magic would like to decide, by means of a sphere coming from the cosmos, which desires it is possible to realize and which not but (Asha) an aspiring to become his servant - who realizes how the king's actions are not so positive - decides to confront him precisely with the help of the cosmic sphere: will Asha succeed in demonstrating to the whole people that it is possible to save them through the union of magic and the cosmos?
Source: https://www.ilprofumodelladolcevita.com ... -prossimo/


โ€ข Confirmation that Queen Amaya is not evil.
The kingdom of Rosas is led by Queen Amaya, who is generous and good, and King Magnifico who, on the other hand, has a dual nature and is an old-fashioned villain, the kind who does evil thinking he is doing good. Desires can also be dangerous and negative.
Source: https://tg24.sky.it/spettacolo/cinema/2 ... -anteprima
King Magnifico and Queen Amaya peacefully rule, through the use of the ruler's magic, the kingdom of Rosas, an island near the Iberian Peninsula. Indeed, the king has the power to grant the wishes of his subjects, who publicly entrust them to him, later forgetting the wish itself. Many people reach the kingdom precisely to have their wishes granted. Here we meet our protagonist, Asha who, accompanied by her trusty little goat Valentino, receives the help of a star, called Star, to fight a darkness that is about to invade the kingdom of Rosas.
Source: https://www.framedmagazine.it/wish-100- ... rima-roma/


โ€ข Small moment from the footage that hadn't been described yet.
The ruler of the kingdom of Rosas is tasked with protecting the wishes of his people, appropriating them and leaving them without the torment of having to fulfill them, especially when they are too big. This is precisely what a scene projected during the event is about: a sequence in which the king asks two newcomers to leave him their wishes, transformed into sphere form and kept in his castle. When Asha, an aspiring apprentice of Magnifico, realizes the injustice of the ruler, she is able to connect with a star that can make everything alive and real (bunnies, squirrels, mushrooms, flowers, just like in the Disney tradition), giving her the strength to stand up to the king and return to each citizen their wishes.
Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.it/film/f ... ary/22754/


โ€ข Magnifico only grants one wish at a time.
Magnifico is a sorcerer who, thanks to his magical powers, rules by winning the affection and favor of his people: indeed, he is able to absorb and channel the wishes of others and make them come true. However, only a select few have access to this privilege: for this reason, the King calls a recurring appointment in which only one lucky inhabitant of Rosas will be able to fulfill his or her dream, of which, however, he or she has no memory because of Magnifico's magic. The protagonist, however, is Asha, a young girl left fatherless who is about to fulfill her ambition: to become the ruler's apprentice and learn magic from Magnifico himself.
Source: https://cinema.everyeye.it/articoli/fir ... 61638.html


โ€ข Asha's grandfather's dream has been revealed.
Unfortunately, the girl will soon discover that the idyll built and promised by the king is but an illusion, behind which Magnifico hides a restless and despotic soul. Indeed, he does not intend to grant wishes that might threaten his rule over Rosas, even if the aforementioned might actually improve the future of humanity. Such is the case with Asha's grandfather, whose dream in the drawer (at the threshold of a hundred years of age, another nod to Walt Disney's legacy) is to create a better world for future generations. A goal that the poor old man, unbeknownst to him, will have to give up, as well as many others, because of the paranoia of Magnificent, terrified by the all too abstract nature of such an ambition.
Source: https://cinema.everyeye.it/articoli/fir ... 61638.html


โ€ข Apparently, the "great suffering Magnifico has experienced in his life" mentioned in a past article is that he lost some family member.
Magnifico believes he is doing good, he himself has experienced great loss (of his family) and knows what that means, and he has always asked people to entrust him with their wishes. Asha wants to be his apprentice and it's funny that at first she contradicts him but, come a certain time, there is no point of return for him and that's where the villain emerges."
Source: https://www.tag24.it/672036-wish-disney-roma/
Wish's, however, is also a story that marks the return of a more properly traditional villain, King Magnifico. "We tried not to create a villain per se, but we wanted a character that would make the audience wonder how he came to do what he does and why. When I was studying screenwriting, my teacher used to tell me that it's important to know why a character does what it does so that we can understand it and then make effective choices. Audiences also want complex villains, they want to question their motivations and also try to put themselves in their shoes. King Magnifico is not a monster, he is a complex character who believes he is doing something positive, and also we know that he too has suffered a painful loss in the past, a loss that hardened him and made him lose faith in the strength and value of wishes."
Source: https://www.spettacolo.eu/wish-jennifer ... enta-film/


โ€ข More info about King Magnifico.
"Yes, we have a villain in the film," Lee jokes in introducing Wish's story, aware of the tradition of the newer Disney Classics where many of the conflicts are mostly internal, related to personal identity or friction with family. A change of which Frozen was beginning to be somewhat of a precursor: "Frozen came at a time when we were evolving. Not everyone is good or bad and the world is a very complicated place. Now the audience has also evolved: they want to know the motivations, they want to know the whys, they want complex and interesting characters," comments the creative director.

Indeed, the narrative of Wish goes in this direction: on the one hand there is the protagonist Asha, determined to dig into reasons that no one dares question; on the other stands the King Magnifico, antagonist and ruler of the Kingdom of Rosas, where people's wishes can come true but only at the behest of the ruler who decides what is best for whom. "We found that working with this character you get to know from the best version of him to the worst. You know every choice he makes, you see when he makes it and for what reason he makes it. And by doing that Asha and Magnificent get to have a moment where they are aligned, they make their decisions as we make different decisions throughout our lives."

And the relationship between Asha and Magnifico is at the heart of the handful of minutes of Wish that we had a chance to preview. It is a very rough edit and still far from the final version. These scant twenty minutes summarize the first meeting between the two characters, followed then by the moment when Asha comes into contact with magic and Magnifico feels the unexpected fear of his own power being questioned. "Magnifico is a character who believes in what he does, he has a very strong end goal. He thinks that some desires are too powerful and dangerous to be fulfilled. Somehow he believes he is protecting others, that he feels this task is his because he too has suffered a lot in the past. Asha questions his role for the first time and he is not used to being challenged."
Source: https://myredcarpet.eu/wish-un-primo-sg ... nifer-lee/


โ€ข Some more info about the references to past Disney films.
In this film we wanted to put a lot of more or less veiled references to the great Disney classics, but without making them cloying or heavy-handed. There are Asha's seven friends inspired of course by you-know-who, there is the forest and the hut where Asha lives with her mother and her grandfather Sabino inspired by Sleeping Beauty, there is her trusted baby goat Valentino, and then there is the actual village and the castle of the king and queen.
Source: https://www.spettacolo.eu/wish-jennifer ... enta-film/
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Words have meanings. When they say this movie has a traditional villain that leads me to think about Maleficent, Ursula, Jafar, Scar, etc... Someone who's evil, who enjoys being evil, who has fun with it. Magnifico (such a stupid name) is none of these. He only thinks he's doing what's best even if he's wrong, well so did the grandmother who abused all her grandchildren in Encanto, I don't see anyone calling her a "traditional villain", I don't see anyone calling Namaari a "traditional villain" (people pretty much forgot that movie even exists). At this point I feel that "traditional villain" is just another marketing ploy, like when they confused everyone at the beginning about the "traditional animation style" and everyone thought this movie is going to be hand drawn. The fact that the queen is a good person and the way they constantly talk about what he's doing is wrong and he doesn't understand that, makes me even more believe that he'll see the errors of his ways by the end and be redeemed. Of course people will keep saying "traditional villain" because that's what they have been fed.
In this film we wanted to put a lot of more or less veiled references to the great Disney classics, but without making them cloying or heavy-handed.
That Bambi reference was heavy-handed.
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Farerb wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:07 am The fact that the queen is a good person and the way they constantly talk about what he's doing is wrong and he doesn't understand that, makes me even more believe that he'll see the errors of his ways by the end and be redeemed. Of course people will keep saying "traditional villain" because that's what they have been fed.
I thought the same when I read these latest reports. It sounds more and more like he'll be redeemed by the end. And I agree, that's not the definition of a traditional Disney villain.
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D82 wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:13 pmMagnifico believes he is doing good, he himself has experienced great loss (of his family) and knows what that means, and he has always asked people to entrust him with their wishes. King Magnifico is not a monster, he is a complex character who believes he is doing something positive, and also we know that he too has suffered a painful loss in the past, a loss that hardened him and made him lose faith in the strength and value of wishes.
Did a wish kill his parents? :lol:
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First of all, sorry by advance for my english! :)
Second, be aware of possible SPOILERS below please!

Since the presentations given by Jennifer Lee in the past few days, including the one I attended at the Animation Festival in Annecy, France, I have been reading a lot of articles on the internet and social networks as well as speculations as to the story and characters of Wish.
It's nice to see that there's enthusiasm and a certain expectation for this film, even if I find that the atmosphere on this forum is sometimes unpleasant and doesn't really make me want to participate.
However, I will try to bring my point of view and my observations that I share with you in order to perhaps clarify a little more what is put in place in Wish.
My personal feelings do not let me think that Queen Amaya can be a Villain because her attitude is soft, and very passive, not to say faded.
I wouldn't be surprised if the King manipulates her like he manipulates the citizens of Rosas and that thanks to Asha, she ends up opening her eyes.
Concerning Magnifico (great voice by Chris Pine!), from what I could see, he is not an antagonist like Namaari can be (I haven't forgotten Raya and the Last Dragon whom I love a lot despite his flaws ;) ) but he reminds me more of Mother Gothel as he seems complex at first and probably scary and dangerous at the end.
The king has a narcissistic evil side that may not be aware that he is doing wrong. His way of responding to Asha is alternately warm and intimidating, guilt-inducing, and you can clearly sense that he's going to get nastier and nastier.
When Asha is brought by the Queen to the room of the King who is also a magician, she begins to look at the objects there while waiting for the King to arrive for the interview.
We see a large book placed in a glass case and protected by a spell that Asha unintentionally provokes: the patterns in the shape of white petals on the glass come to life and turn into a swarm of insects (like mosquitoes or butterflies - note that the excerpts were not finalized!) which are agitated around Asha who struggles in all directions, even after Magnifico who has entered in the meantime has restored order.
When they talk and at one point, Asha explains that she lost her father when she was little because he was sick (we see drawings where Asha and her father from back on a branch of a tree, the one where she sings later...), Magnifico is compassionate since he too has gone through mourning and we see a tapestry on the wall of which a section at the bottom is burnt and we see a drawing, probably of Magnifico's family towards the top .
Cute little detail: Asha has an interesting side because although she has the attractions of all the Disney heroines (Anna, Rapunzel, Mirabel, etc.), she also has a certain candor while being very wise. For example, proud of herself, she shows the King a notebook where she has drawn a little goat that runs in the corner of a page and scrolls through the pages like a flipbook. So cute and funny.
The Magnifico song was not shown to us but the excerpt resumes after obviously and the spheres containing the wishes of the people are at Asha's height and she finds and holds her grandfather one and is touched. She then asks if it would be possible to realize the wish of Sabino who is celebrating her 100th birthday today during the vows ceremony which is just after. Magnifico reacts badly telling Asha that in fact she is interested, like everyone else and she is very embarrassed and intimidated. She insists however because Saba is old and he has waited so long and his wish (I don't know if this one is said because it is rather vague from memory) deserves to be carried out but the King says that the intention of the wish of her grandfather may be ill-intentioned and too dangerous, which Asha defends herself against.
The Queen interrupts them as the ceremony is about to begin and everyone is waiting. Asha is invited to sit next to them on stage but she has lost her joy and is suspicious.
The King begins his show as in the trailer and he begins by accepting the wishes of a young couple then he will choose a person to carry out his wish and after a little suspense, chooses a woman who wants to become a seamstress (she climbs on stage and the magic operates around her in the form of scissors then a fabric which turns around her and which is a nod to the fabric to make Aurora's dress because it twirls in the air with magic) . Everyone applauds, but we see Asha's family and friends disappointed because it seemed logical to grant an old man's wish.
The ceremony ends with Magnifico telling Asha that she is not being kept to be his apprentice.
Later, we find Asha, her mother and her grandfather having dinner at home (the scene recalls dinner at Mulan's) and it's very pretty. Asha wants to tell Sabino about her wish that she saw it and she can tell him what it is since people who offer their wish to the king in the hope that they will one day come true, is forget over time. He gets angry because he does not want to know because he would be too sad then since he is not realized it and he is now too old. Asha tries to convince her grandfather but he gets mad and asks her if she is trying to hurt him and she leaves the table then runs outside and that's where her song starts.
The song stays in mind and we can see Asha singing, running, going to the tree where she was going with her father and her hair is in the wind then a star in the sky lights up and its light radiates all Rosas and we sees the pleasant reaction that all the inhabitants feel (we also see Dahlia at her house, we see Asha's mother and the grandfather smile while going to see at their window) up to Queen Amaya who goes to see her husband in him asking if he saw and felt the same as her and he replies that it is a big deal or something and that he is very worried and upset.
Later, we see Asha and Valentino discovering Star manifesting without speaking and using a yarn in the trees to draw a star to explain who it is. Star is so funny in its mute acting and animation.
We see the part where Valentino starts talking thanks to Star, then all the animals of all kinds and sizes start talking to Asha too thanks to Star and another song, You're a Star, starts. Very typical of old Disney with all these animals everywhere which explain to Asha the common point that all living beings have in themselves: hope, desire. The hearts of each being light up in yellow and everyone sings, runs, gallops, etc. in short, the classic sequence! There are also talking trees which I found very creepy because of their design but the images were not finalized and I wondered if they were not a nod to the trees of Fun and Fancy Free but I'm not sure.
At the end of the song, a bear and a deer talk to each other saying it's nice that they didn't eat each other (the bear calls the deer Bambi I believe).
Overall, the fully finalized shots look very beautiful and the rendering doesn't shock me and looks nicer when the trailer. I don't know if it's because I saw the excerpts on a big screen.
The sets are superb, very similar to those of Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. The characters are classic and reminiscent of those of the Hunchback of Notre-Dame, perhaps because of the medieval outfits.
Asha is a pretty heroine and the audience will love her for sure.
Before the clips, we saw several concept arts (most of them by Lisa Keene inspired by Gustav Tenngren), as well as final poses or concept arts of the various main characters including a test animation with Asha's friends, The Teens, which shows everyone's personality by walking towards each other and forming a group. Dahlia has a wooden cane and she is Asha's best friend (we see a pose where they are both).
Queen Amaya is Caucasian, beautiful, classic, with an outfit in the same colors and patterns as the King, and her hair is hidden by a medieval headdress (I don't know the word, but she has "macaroons" on her ears).
The Artbook should be superb I think because the visuals, the designs and especially the backgrounds are a feast for the eyes (the house of Asha and her family is too cute).

I hope this will bring you a little more information in addition to the feedback from other people on the internet.
For my part, I have of course always been a fan of Disney Animation and I am as excited by this project as by the previous ones.
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Did Magnifico and Amaya lose a child, and Magnifico wished Amaya would forget the pain? But Magnifico still remembers?

Yeah, Magnifico is clearly not evil for evilโ€™s sake like a true traditional Disney villain. Heโ€™s more complex. But heโ€™s also clearly not a surprise twist villain, either. Maybe a surprise twist good guy haha?
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Thanks for the details, Prince Kido.
I don't mind that the king will be a complex antagonist, it's just that to me a traditional Disney villain means something different. I'm sorry if I came across as unpleasant, that's really not my intention. Wish is a film I'm looking forward to and that's something that hasn't happened in a long time when it comes to Disney, even if there are things that I don't think I'm going to like (I'm still not sold on "The Teens" to be honest).
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Magnifico was right not granting the wish of Asha's grandfather. His wish was too vague and subjective and it may have ended having negative consequences for the kingdom. Asha was being unreasonable and selfish. #Justice4Magnifico :P
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D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:54 am And with hopefully no worries about being on Disney+ til either March, April, or May, that should give Wish enough time to make that Moana or Coco level money worldwide especially w/ a staggered overseas release.
I also think Wish will do a solid 400-600M, (which of course is great in itself) but definitely not +1Billion, I mean Across the Spiderverse (only the best film of this decade :mischief: ) with all the hype and excellent reviews,being the sequel of one of the most valued movies of all time, its insane fanbase and huge anticipation probably won't do 1 billion either unfortunately, maybe around 700-800, so if Spiderverse doesn't do it, Wish won't do it anyway, and that's just a fact.
Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:08 pm Even the first Trolls only did around 350 million worldwide. I think Illumination's film (which does sound fun) would be more threatening than it is considering they've been pretty successful lately (Mario and Minions 2 were Illumination films, right?).
Trolls is a really know brand, but Wish will likely have WAY more success. As Illumination being silly, it is indeed really funny that its even more successful than Pixar. :lol: :huh: I think what makes Illumination so successful is that they have this reputation that their films are so simplified and encapsulated, which means safe for all children and families, which means more money, which means more simplified and safe storytelling, which means the doom of animation. :) This being said, we shouldnt underestimate Illuminations Migragtion being a possible threat for Wish, especially when they promote it "from the creators who brought you MINIONS and Grinch and MORE SLAPSTICK CHARACTERS๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ" To think Minions is the only Animated movie this decade who made it sooo close to 1 Billion concerns me...
D82 wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:13 pm Confirmation that Queen Amaya is not evil.
Thats what they want you to think, because as Wish is a homage to ALL Disney Movies, they HAVE to reference their legacy of Twistvillains, right? :P but i wont mind if she ends up as good.
Farerb wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:07 am When they say this movie has a traditional villain,who enjoys being evil, who has fun with it. Magnifico is none of these. He only thinks he's doing what's best even if he's wrong, well so did the grandmother who abused all her grandchildren in Encanto, I don't see anyone calling her a "traditional villain"
Agree, but Ill still have hope he will be really threatening
Farerb wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:07 am In this film we wanted to put a lot of more or less veiled references to the great Disney classics, but without making them cloying or heavy-handed.
That Bambi reference was heavy-handed.
Farerb DESTROYED the article without even trying :lol:
Prince Kido wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:13 am There are also talking trees which I found very creepy because of their design but the images were not finalized and I wondered if they were not a nod to the trees of Fun and Fancy Free but I'm not sure.
Thank you for all the extended details Prince Kido! :) I think the trees would be a reference to Snow White.
Prince Kido wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:13 am For example, proud of herself, she shows the King a notebook where she has drawn a little goat that runs in the corner of a page and scrolls through the pages like a flipbook. So cute and funny.
Thats really cute! Besides Rapunzel, Finally us Art Teenagers who sketch in Notebooks get representation๐Ÿ˜œ and yes i mean that seriously, I sketch ALOT in my sketchbook, so thats nice to see :)
Prince Kido wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:13 am The Artbook should be superb I think because the visuals, the designs and especially the backgrounds are a feast for the eyes (the house of Asha and her family is too cute).
I will definetely get this, and I am OBSESSED with Lisa Keenes Artpieces! She is truly one of the most talented Artists EVER! I LOVE her concept pieces of Rapunzel Unbraided, so breathtaking
Sotiris wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:41 am Magnifico was right not granting the wish of Asha's grandfather. His wish was too vague and subjective and it may have ended having negative consequences for the kingdom. Asha was being unreasonable and selfish. #Justice4Magnifico :P
lol Magnifico is the true hero๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ but yeah I also thought his wish is wayyy too rough
๐–ฒ๐—ˆ๐—‡๐—€๐—Œ ๐—๐—๐–บ๐— ๐—Œ๐—…๐–บ๐—‰ ๐—‹๐—‚๐—€๐—๐— ๐—‡๐—ˆ๐—:
1. When did you get hot? :mickana: (Sabrina Carpenter)*new
2.House Tour (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹)*new
3. Tears (Sabri- Carpen-)*new
4. Sugar talking (...๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹!) *new
5. 9 to 5 (Dolly Parton)
6. ๐–ฉ๐—Ž๐—‡๐—ˆ (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ)
7. ๐–ง๐–บ๐—‹๐–ฝ ๐—๐—ˆ ๐—Œ๐–บ๐—’ ๐—‚๐—† ๐—Œ๐—ˆ๐—‹๐—‹๐—’ (๐–ข๐—๐—‚๐–ผ๐–บ๐—€๐—ˆ)
8. ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‚๐–ป๐–ป๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡ ๐–ฐ๐—Ž๐–พ๐–พ๐—‡! ( ๐–ก๐—‚๐—…๐—…๐—’ ๐–ฎ๐–ผ๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡)
9.๐–ณ๐—๐–พ ๐–ถ๐—‚๐—‡๐—‡๐–พ๐—‹ ๐—๐–บ๐—„๐–พ๐—Œ ๐—‚๐— ๐–บ๐—…๐—… (๐–ก๐– ๐–ก๐–ก๐– )
10. Upside down (Diana Ross)
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The Disneynerd wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:59 am
D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:54 am And with hopefully no worries about being on Disney+ til either March, April, or May, that should give Wish enough time to make that Moana or Coco level money worldwide especially w/ a staggered overseas release.
I also think Wish will do a solid 400-600M, (which of course is great in itself) but definitely not +1Billion, I mean Across the Spiderverse (only the best film of this decade :mischief: ) with all the hype and excellent reviews,being the sequel of one of the most valued movies of all time, its insane fanbase and huge anticipation probably won't do 1 billion either unfortunately, maybe around 700-800, so if Spiderverse doesn't do it, Wish won't do it anyway, and that's just a fact.
Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:08 pm Even the first Trolls only did around 350 million worldwide. I think Illumination's film (which does sound fun) would be more threatening than it is considering they've been pretty successful lately (Mario and Minions 2 were Illumination films, right?).
Trolls is a really know brand, but Wish will likely have WAY more success. As Illumination being silly, it is indeed really funny that its even more successful than Pixar. :lol: :huh: I think what makes Illumination so successful is that they have this reputation that their films are so simplified and encapsulated, which means safe for all children and families, which means more money, which means more simplified and safe storytelling, which means the doom of animation. :) This being said, we shouldnt underestimate Illuminations Migragtion being a possible threat for Wish, especially when they promote it "from the creators who brought you MINIONS and Grinch and MORE SLAPSTICK CHARACTERS๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ" To think Minions is the only Animated movie this decade who made it sooo close to 1 Billion concerns me...
D82 wrote: โ†‘Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:13 pm Confirmation that Queen Amaya is not evil.
Thats what they want you to think, because as Wish is a homage to ALL Disney Movies, they HAVE to reference their legacy of Twistvillains, right? :P but i wont mind if she ends up as good.
Farerb wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:07 am When they say this movie has a traditional villain,who enjoys being evil, who has fun with it. Magnifico is none of these. He only thinks he's doing what's best even if he's wrong, well so did the grandmother who abused all her grandchildren in Encanto, I don't see anyone calling her a "traditional villain"
Agree, but Ill still have hope he will be really threatening
Farerb wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:07 am In this film we wanted to put a lot of more or less veiled references to the great Disney classics, but without making them cloying or heavy-handed.
That Bambi reference was heavy-handed.
Farerb DESTROYED the article without even trying :lol:
Prince Kido wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:13 am There are also talking trees which I found very creepy because of their design but the images were not finalized and I wondered if they were not a nod to the trees of Fun and Fancy Free but I'm not sure.
Thank you for all the extended details Prince Kido! :) I think the trees would be a reference to Snow White.
Prince Kido wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:13 am For example, proud of herself, she shows the King a notebook where she has drawn a little goat that runs in the corner of a page and scrolls through the pages like a flipbook. So cute and funny.
Thats really cute! Besides Rapunzel, Finally us Art Teenagers who sketch in Notebooks get representation๐Ÿ˜œ and yes i mean that seriously, I sketch ALOT in my sketchbook, so thats nice to see :)
Prince Kido wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:13 am The Artbook should be superb I think because the visuals, the designs and especially the backgrounds are a feast for the eyes (the house of Asha and her family is too cute).
I will definetely get this, and I am OBSESSED with Lisa Keenes Artpieces! She is truly one of the most talented Artists EVER! I LOVE her concept pieces of Rapunzel Unbraided, so breathtaking
Sotiris wrote: โ†‘Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:41 am Magnifico was right not granting the wish of Asha's grandfather. His wish was too vague and subjective and it may have ended having negative consequences for the kingdom. Asha was being unreasonable and selfish. #Justice4Magnifico :P
lol Magnifico is the true hero๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ but yeah I also thought his wish is wayyy too rough
Well, letโ€™s hope $600M is where Wish ends up, as a film needs to do 3X itโ€™s budget to be a hit and 2.5X its budget to break-even per the rule of thumb.
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