Wish

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

Only 5 more months to go.

Let’s hope Disney ramps up the marketing for Wish soon.

[Sotiris]

“It was important to me to not make a statement about monarchy,” says Lee. There’s a queen, too, she says, who ends up making a decision “which is really about good leadership. I wanted to make sure we were saying this isn’t about any one place or structure.”

It sounds like when Magnifico will be defeated, Amaya will take over the kingdom. It seems the message isn't monarchies are bad; just men in power are.

“It’s such an odd thing because from the outside, you’d think it’s a check-box formula. It’s oddly the opposite. When you manage characters from outside in, they don’t resonate. And if it’s not authentic, no one comes.”

This statement of hers is so ironic after the bombing of Strange World. Wish was also created with an obvious check-box formula in mind; who are they kidding? Does Disney not have any self-awareness anymore or do they really think audiences are that oblivious?

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

“It was important to me to not make a statement about monarchy,” says Lee. There’s a queen, too, she says, who ends up making a decision “which is really about good leadership. I wanted to make sure we were saying this isn’t about any one place or structure.”

It sounds like when Magnifico will be defeated, Amaya will take over the kingdom. It seems the message isn't monarchies are bad; just men in power are.

“It’s such an odd thing because from the outside, you’d think it’s a check-box formula. It’s oddly the opposite. When you manage characters from outside in, they don’t resonate. And if it’s not authentic, no one comes.”

This statement of hers is so ironic after the bombing of Strange World. Wish was also created with an obvious check-box formula in mind; who are they kidding? Does Disney not have any self-awareness anymore or do they really think audiences are that oblivious?

Ok, first of all, both could be true for the first part.

Second, maybe they do, but perhaps the check-box formula for Wish could be handled better than in previous films.

[carolinakid]

My hopes for this film being a true classic and worthy of the 100th Anniversary keep diminishing with each additional interview regarding the woke plot and characters that dribbles out. I’m very skeptical at this point...

With each “revelation”, I can almost hear the pencil scratch of woke and politically correct boxes begin checked.

[Lele]

“It was important to me to not make a statement about monarchy,” says Lee. There’s a queen, too, she says, who ends up making a decision “which is really about good leadership. I wanted to make sure we were saying this isn’t about any one place or structure.”

It sounds like when Magnifico will be defeated, Amaya will take over the kingdom. It seems the message isn't monarchies are bad; just men in power are.

*white men

Besides, I still find it in a very poor taste to make the first Disney movie based in Iberia and place it in a short colonized period, while making the evil the white man who fought against the colonizers, and the good character being a black/brown girl who defeats the evil white man while it's based on a period when "brown" people were colonizers reminds me of Assassin's Creed in the ottoman empire over again. Silly me thought after Pocahontas Disney would stay away from anything like that.

Honestly, it's like making the first Disney movie set in West Africa - but set it during the period where whites colonized it, with the good character being a good blonde white girl defeating the evil black king

[carolinakid]

Viva la Reconquista!

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

My hopes for this film being a true classic and worthy of the 100th Anniversary keep diminishing with each additional interview regarding the woke plot and characters that dribbles out. I’m very skeptical at this point...

With each “revelation”, I can almost hear the pencil scratch of woke and politically correct boxes begin checked.

Well, it’s too late for you to believe that this movie will lose faith from the anti-woke community when Disney-criticizing trades like Inside the Magic believe Wish will save Walt Disney Animation Studios, alongside the Once Upon A Studio short.

Also, no Lele, the message is not that white men are evil, it’s that corrupt men who lead monarchies are evil, a lesson that many should’ve learned that Disney was trying to get across in Black Panther, when Killmonger temporarily took over Wakanda from T’Challa and make it his own monarchy until T’Challa fought back to get it, which Ryan Coogler said was similar to the takeover of the US from Trump until he legitimately lost in 2020.

So, don’t you or carolinakid try to use this “woke” card on Wish again when there’s more to like about this movie (such as a return to a classic Disney villain and the chance that this film’s success with a different animation style can give Disney the faith they need to bring back the style of hand-drawn animation through the non-white led Tiana series on Disney+), because if I see either one of you or Sotiris try to bring this movie down with your BS of politics, I’ll put this movie’s failure all squarely on you two (or three) so back off the Wish hate and don’t even try to use the “it’s woke” card on this, because Disney has been so called “woke” (or really it shouldn’t be called political) back when Walt led Disney with those shorts of Donald Duck going to war.

Heck, if Disney’s always been woke, than The Princess and the Frog should be so-called “woke” as well for showing scenes of segregation by way of Tiana’s family having to be in their own town where black people don’t get the same rights as white people and when Tiana is challenged by the 2 rich white guys in trying to get her restaurant.

So, quit with the use of the term “woke” and keep it out of this discussion for Wish.
Or I’m gonnna come out lookin’ for y’all and tear you a new nostril. Capice?

[Farerb]

I doubt anyone in this forum has enough influence to make this movie flop.

In my opinion Wish can do around $400m and not because of any "woke" reasons. The Little Mermaid is a known IP and had a good marketing and a lot of hype (I can't remember any Disney movie that had its trailer leaked), and it still only did ~$500m. Wish is a pretty similar movie (minus the nostalgia and the already built in fanbase), so if The Little Mermaid can't reach even $600m than what chances does Wish stand?

Another reason is that original animated films haven't done well at all in recent years. The last one that did was Coco back in 2017! In general I just don't think there's much demand for original movies in theaters anymore. Studios pretty much sabotaged original movies when they made people become used to "event" movies to be IP related.

That's just how I see it, I don't want the movie to fail and I'll watch it in theaters when it comes out. For what it's worth, my sister hasn't gone to a Disney movie in theaters since Moana or Coco and she considers going to Wish after she watched the teaser and listened to the song, so maybe there are others who feel the same way

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

I doubt anyone in this forum has enough influence to make this movie flop.

In my opinion Wish can do around $400m and not because of any "woke" reasons. The Little Mermaid is a known IP and had a good marketing and a lot of hype (I can't remember any Disney movie that had its trailer leaked), and it still only did ~$500m. Wish is a pretty similar movie (minus the nostalgia and the already built in fanbase), so if The Little Mermaid can't reach even $600m than what chances does Wish stand?

Another reason is that original animated films haven't done well at all in recent years. The last one that did was Coco back in 2017! In general I just don't think there's much demand for original movies in theaters anymore. Studios pretty much sabotaged original movies when they made people become used to "event" movies to be IP related.

That's just how I see it, I don't want the movie to fail and I'll watch it in theaters when it comes out. For what it's worth, my sister hasn't gone to a Disney movie in theaters since Moana or Coco and she considers going to Wish after she watched the teaser and listened to the song, so maybe there are others who feel the same way

Well then, let’s hope it makes as much as Moana or Coco.

Also, the reason for most original animated feature films haven’t fared well is because they didn’t have enough marketing behind them, which Wish could have the opposite of (meaning strong, active and continuous marketing) if Disney is actually publicly called out on and put more pressure on to market Wish more so it can be a hit and so the future of original animation, even at Disney and Pixar, isn’t gonna be lost 4ever.

And the reason I believe Wish stands a better chance than The Little Mermaid is because it’ll have more weekends at #1 to itself and because it has weaker competition to worry about that other studios won’t strongly market as much as Wish.

Heck, WB/DC’s Aquaman 2 is said to be bad and might flop.

Ghostbusters: Firehouse might not even make its release.

The Color Purple is going for a different audience.

And, who even knows if Illumination’s Migration will even be as big as Wish, since it’s not a musical like Illumination’s Sing 1-2.

And with hopefully no worries about being on Disney+ til either March, April, or May, that should give Wish enough time to make that Moana or Coco level money worldwide especially w/ a staggered overseas release.

[Sotiris]

Or I’m gonnna come out lookin’ for y’all and tear you a new nostril. Capice?

Your inappropriate behavior and personal attacks against other members are getting out of hand. The threats of violence are particularly disconcerting. If you don't stop behaving this way, there will be consequences. Consider yourself warned.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

Or I’m gonnna come out lookin’ for y’all and tear you a new nostril. Capice?

Your inappropriate behavior and personal attacks against other members are getting out of hand. The threats of violence are particularly disconcerting. If you don't stop behaving this way, there will be consequences. Consider yourself warned.

I’m sorry. That was too extreme. I should’ve misplaced my anger at Lele and Carolina instead of you, even if you do tend to make me more grumpy while CK makes me more ticked than you.

I’ll tone it down a bit.

But I’m not gonna stand by and let this movie fail just because people are too political and can’t separate art from reality these days.

So, I guess until the movie is out, we’re stuck together until we make sure this film does good enough to make sure we don’t lose the only chance we’ve got of making sure Tiana will be hand-drawn animated.

So, consider me the enemy and a threat if you want, but seeing this film succeed is a personal matter for me more than I had initially imagined.

And if this film’s success is how Tiana stays hand-drawn, I’m not gonna waste it nor be complacent in thinking it’ll succeed when there’s a chance it won’t, and I can’t let that happen.

So you’ve warned me now about how much a concern I am to you, but don’t say I didn’t forewarn you about how vital it is in making sure Tiana’s hand-drawn animated style staying put hinges on the success of Wish and the new animation style that film has.

[Sotiris]

I’m sorry. That was too extreme. I should’ve misplaced my anger at Lele and Carolina instead of you, even if you do tend to make me more grumpy while CK makes me more ticked than you.

No, you shouldn't have attacked them either. This is the Internet. People may say things that will make you upset or sad. You need to learn how to deal with it without lashing out. If certain members trigger you, you can use the ignore function to hide their comments. You can do that by going to User Control Panel, selecting the Friends & Foes tab, and then the Manage Foes option. In the Add new foes box, you enter the usernames of the members you want their posts hidden and hit Submit. I strongly recommend you put that feature into use.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

I’m sorry. That was too extreme. I should’ve misplaced my anger at Lele and Carolina instead of you, even if you do tend to make me more grumpy while CK makes me more ticked than you.

No, you shouldn't have attacked them either. This is the Internet. People may say things that will make you upset or sad. You need to learn how to deal with it without lashing out. If certain members trigger you, you can use the ignore function to hide their comments. You can do that by going to User Control Panel, selecting the Friends & Foes tab, and then the Manage Foes option. In the Add new foes box, you enter the usernames of the members you want their posts hidden and hit Submit. I strongly recommend you put that feature into use.

Ok. Got it. Thanks.

[Disney's Divinity]

It sounds like when Magnifico will be defeated, Amaya will take over the kingdom. It seems the message isn't monarchies are bad; just men in power are.

Or it's that evil people in power are, since Magnifico is evil.

@Lele: Amaya is also White...

@carolinakid: No offense, but you haven't seen any of the movies released since Walt died in the 1960's. Safe bet you are not someone they could convince into theaters in any scenario if you weren't convinced by The Lion King, Aladdin, Tangled, Frozen, etc.

The reason I don't see Wish as being like TLM is because TLM's problem was that they cast an iconic red-haired character with someone who didn't have red hair, it was the character's defining feature. And then they cast middling choices for most of the rest of the cast as well, only Awkwafina and Tremblay felt like perfect casts. And since audiences had already become skeptical of remakes doing a bait-and-switch of promising to be a remake of something they liked only to change everything, cut half the cast, cut the soundtrack, etc. like with PP&W and Mulan, that was a fatal mistake. The property did have the potential to hit 900-1 billion level, and they blew it. A remake comes with different expectations than an original property.

Yes, D23, I thought you were overly aggressive to DisneyFan09 a page or so back, too. I keep trying to tell you not to let any negative comments bother you. The only way to deal with them is to keep posting what you think, resorting to personal attacks really just gives other people power over you.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

It sounds like when Magnifico will be defeated, Amaya will take over the kingdom. It seems the message isn't monarchies are bad; just men in power are.

Or it's that evil people in power are, since Magnifico is evil...

@Lele: Amaya is also White...

@carolinakid: No offense, but you haven't seen any of the movies released since Walt died in the 1960's. Safe bet you are not someone they could convince into theaters in any scenario if you weren't convinced by The Lion King, Aladdin, Tangled, Frozen, etc.

Yeah, tell ‘em, Disney’s Divinity.

[Disney's Divinity]

^ I'm still scrolling through a few of the posts from last page, but thank you, D23.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

^ I'm still scrolling through a few of the posts from last page, but thank you, D23.

No problem. And sorry for overreacting in anger… AGAIN.

[Disney's Divinity]

With what you said before about other films that could compete with it, I don't think any of them are really dangerous to Wish. The Color Purple is probably the one that is most like this in some ways, with it being a musical like Wish with a largely diverse cast, but it's a much more serious film than this--not really what I think of as a "family" film exactly (as far as showing it to young children, it's very dark and heavy with subjects like rape, spousal abuse, racism, etc.), and Wish is lighter fare vying for the family audience. Even as far as animated films go, Migration and Wish don't feel like they would be big threats to one another, they can co-exist. Especially since Wish comes out a month before Migration.

GOTG3 and Avatar 2 have both succeeded recently, so I don't think the Disney name in general is what's wrong. Most of the flops have very individual problems. TLM had the cast issue as well as the baggage of past remakes to contend with, Elemental didn't look good at all and was PIXAR formulaic to the extreme, Strange World and Lightyear were both in a genre that's hit-and-miss for animated films, superhero film fatigue post-Endgame making it harder for new Marvel films. If I was going to worry about any upcoming animated film for Disney, it would be Elio since it's also a sci-fi film and following other recent sci-fi films that didn't succeed like SW and Lightyear will make it even harder for it to climb over that hill. And it's teaser, well... Let's say it didn't make me think Elio's chances are better than those despite my initial hopes.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

With what you said before about other films that could compete with it, I don't think any of them are really dangerous to Wish. The Color Purple is probably the one that is most like this in some ways, with it being a musical like Wish with a largely diverse cast, but it's a much more serious film than this--not really what I think of as a "family" film exactly (as far as showing it to young children, it's very dark and heavy with subjects like rape, spousal abuse, racism, etc.), and Wish is lighter fare vying for the family audience. Even as far as animated films go, Migration and Wish don't feel like they would be big threats to one another, they can co-exist. Especially since Wish comes out a month before Migration.

GOTG3 and Avatar 2 have both succeeded recently, so I don't think the Disney name in general is what's wrong. Most of the flops have very individual problems. TLM had the cast issue as well as the baggage of past remakes to contend with, Elemental didn't look good at all and was PIXAR formulaic to the extreme, Strange World and Lightyear were both in a genre that's hit-and-miss for animated films, superhero film fatigue post-Endgame making it harder for new Marvel films. If I was going to worry about any upcoming animated film for Disney, it would be Elio since it's also a sci-fi film and following other recent sci-fi films that didn't succeed like SW and Lightyear will make it even harder for it to climb over that hill. And it's teaser, well... Let's say it didn't make me think Elio's chances are better than those despite my initial hopes.

You forget, Disney’s Divinity, Disney and even Pixar have had one success with sci-fi movies and that’s Pixar’s Wall-E. If Elio, combined with what made Wall-E and Coco work, is better than the teaser and gets better trailers and better marketing in the months to come, there’s a chance Elio can defy all odds and be a box office hit against all odds.

Plus, with rumors that Beyond the Spider-Verse won’t make its March 29, 2024 date, that gives Elio a chance to take its place and have all of April to itself so it won’t have to worry about being slaughtered by Kung Fu Panda 4, Godzilla X Kong: The New Empire, and Disney’s Snow White, especially if they choose to put Snow White in Elio’s old date of March 1st, 2024 and move it up from March 22nd, 2024.

[Farerb]

Wish has The Marvels, The Hungers Games and Trolls 3 to complete with. The former two might get the teenagers and Trolls 3 might get the families and kids.