Wish

[DisneyFan09]

I meant to respond to you earlier but was unable to when I saw the other user’s comment. But, I accept your apology and I thank you, at least, for being able to tell when you went a bit too harsh with your criticism.

Okay, fair enough. I`m sorry if I came across as snappy previously.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

So, Prince Kido, if you’re still at the Annecy Festival, if you’re going to the panel for Disney’s Wish tomorrow, since Jennifer Lee is there and because she is the head of Walt Disney Animation Studios, can you ask her if the Disney+ Tiana series will be hand-drawn animated and if the series being hand-drawn animated is why the series has been delayed til 2024 or later?

[D82]

Article that reveals new details about the story:

Wish preview: Disney's 100th anniversary film promises to be a delightful celebration
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/wish-previe ... 25745.html

[Farerb]

The song explains how Disney creatures have the ability to talk, something Lee jokes she's "always wondered", and presents the idea that everyone deserves the chance to make their wish a reality.

So tired of this.

[D82]

Yeah, that part made me nervous again about the film. I wonder who sings that song. Perhaps Valentino? It could also be Asha (or both), but not Star itself, since it doesn't talk.

We also got confirmation Asha's seven friends are inspired by the seven dwarfs and that the old man who was in that shot with them and her mother is Asha's grandfather. The fact that her father isn't mentioned probably means he's dead. And we now know why King Magnifico was showing her the bubbles that contain people's wishes and all that in the trailer; she was there for an interview to become his apprentice.

[Sotiris]

So tired of this.

This entire movie seems to be a bad fanfic catering to fans with silly "everything is connected" theories. It's sad that WDAS has stooped to this.

We also got confirmation Asha's seven friends are inspired by the seven dwarfs and that the old man who was in that shot with them and her mother is Asha's grandfather. The fact that her father isn't mentioned probably means he's dead.

Since Asha's father is white and her mother is black, that would make Asha the first biracial lead in a WDAS feature, right? Well, not including the Frozen sisters after the retcon in the sequel. And since the Kingdom of Rosas seems to be a mutli-ethnic kingdom, Asha's parentage won't be something out of the ordinary, so the theory about her possibly being an immigrant or a child of immigrants is most likely untrue.

Asha is keen to find out everything there is to know about wishes by becoming the apprentice of King Magnifico (Chris Pine), the "self-named" royal who harnesses the magic to make wishes become a reality.

Does the self-named part refers to "Magnifico" or to "King"? Was he a king who changed his name to Magnifico or a commoner named Magnifico who by harnessing the power of wishes managed to usurp the throne and proclaim himself a king?

[Farerb]

Yeah I was wrong with my immigrants theory (though interestingly it plays a major role in Elemental). Wish's world seems to be similar to Strange World's where different ethnicities live together without prejudice, but this time it's more inspired by Renaissance times Southern Europe/Mediterranean countries. Can't wait for the articles about how Wish disregards slavery during those times.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

So tired of this.

This entire movie seems to be a bad fanfic catering to fans with silly "everything is connected" theories. It's sad that WDAS has stooped to this.

Suck it up, deal with it, and “lighten up, Francis.”

[Farerb]

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

Well, yeah, duh, that’s the point, it’s going back to the traditional Disney storytelling people want where they don’t have third act-twist-reveal villains and it’s a fairytale in the traditional Disney way.

[Farerb]

Disney's Wish Looks Back While Moving Forward In Extended Preview [Annecy 2023]

Read More: https://www.slashfilm.com/1315935/disne ... necy-2023/

[Farerb]

This article have more details about the movie:

Disney Animation Debuts 20 Minutes of “Wish” with Chief Creative Officer Jennifer Lee

https://www.laughingplace.com/w/article ... nifer-lee/

Some of it sounds promising and some sounds annoying (I'm going to hate the group of friends knowing that I never liked the extended cast in their recent films like Raya and Encanto).

[DisneyFan09]

Thanks for posting that article, D82! It was definitively more revealing and interesting than the previous articles of Wish. But it`s interesting how there will be nods to Bambi and The Jungle Book (since they were my childhood favorites from Walt), since most of the Revival features starring Princesses have mostly referenced their Princess predecessors (at least in the public eye).

Since Asha's father is white and her mother is black, that would make Asha the first biracial lead in a WDAS feature, right? Well, not including the Frozen sisters after the retcon in the sequel.

Wasn`t Hiro in Big Hero 6 technically biracial, too?

[Farerb]

Disney Screens 20 Minutes of ‘Wish’ in Annecy, Showcasing Two New Songs

"At first we meet the headstrong teenager as she interviews to serve as sorcerer’s apprentice for the regal Magnifico, a so-called benevolent mage who rules over his Kingdom of Rosas by guarding and granting the many wishes his subjects offer to him in tribute. Only the interview doesn’t quite go as planned after Asha pulls down the glowing crystal orb that holds the wish of her 100-year-old grandfather, begging the sovereign to grant it. No deal — Magnifico, it turns out, claims his regal powers by hoarding.

Dejected, the heroine returns home but finds herself unable to fit back in. She’s seen beyond the veil, and, newly aware of the cynical ruse that governs her land, she flees the homestead and burst into song – a very specific “I Want” song that finds her looking over familiar sights with new disappointment. “So I make this wish/to have something more for us than this,” goes the refrain, and once DeBose hits the crescendo a star alights in the night sky, illuminating the whole kingdom.

The star goes by Star and resembles a marshmallow Peeps set ablaze. After following it to a forest bed, Asha watches the Star shed gold dust on flora and fauna alike, with each beneficiary suddenly able to speak – and sing! “You’re a star,” sing an arboreal chorus that call back the Grandmother Willow from “Pocahontas;” “You’re a star,” add the birds and the bears and Asha’s pet goat Valentino, who now boasts the pipes of Alan Tudyk; “You’re a star,” all of nature intones with one voice.

When the song comes to close, a doe turns to its natural predator and says, “thanks for not eating me.” “Don’t mention it, Bambi,” comes the reply."

https://variety.com/2023/artisans/globa ... 235646595/

[UmbrellaFish]

The initial premise is very reminiscent of Wicked.

[D82]

Asha is keen to find out everything there is to know about wishes by becoming the apprentice of King Magnifico (Chris Pine), the "self-named" royal who harnesses the magic to make wishes become a reality.

Does the self-named part refers to "Magnifico" or to "King"? Was he a king who changed his name to Magnifico or a commoner named Magnifico who by harnessing the power of wishes managed to usurp the throne and proclaim himself a king?

I thought it referred to "royal," but I might be wrong. Perhaps he both proclaimed himself King and also likes to be called Magnifico. The way he dresses or makes his entrance in front of the audience gives the impression he's very self-centered, so I could see him giving himself that name.

Disney trademarked the characters Sabino and Queen Amaya that are most likely from this film.

One of the reports from Annecy confirms Sabino is Asha's 100-year-old grandfather. They also reveal Asha's group of friends are known as The Teens (pobably a nod to "the seven dwarfs") and the girl who is inspired by Doc and wears glasses is called Dahlia and is Asha's best friend.

I'm curious who Queen Amaya (the other registered name) could be. Maybe the ruler of a neighbouring kingdom or the true heir to the throne? I guess she could also be King Magnifico's wife, but I doubt it.

Wish's world seems to be similar to Strange World's where different ethnicities live together without prejudice, but this time it's more inspired by Renaissance times Southern Europe/Mediterranean countries. Can't wait for the articles about how Wish disregards slavery during those times.

From what I remember from my history classes at school, there was indeed a time when Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in harmony in Spain, though I guess that didn't last long. I wish the film had been set in Spain itself. It could've still been very diverse, since as I've mentioned, there were Arabs, Jews and also Romani here. Some things look familiar to me, like some trees and flowers or some of the architecture, which is cool, but in general the film reminds me more of something like Frozen than Spain, for some reason. I guess this is the closest I can get to having a Disney film set in my country, though. And maybe it's better this way, because if it was actually set in Spain, the inaccuracies would probably bother me more.

Some of it sounds promising and some sounds annoying (I'm going to hate the group of friends knowing that I never liked the extended cast in their recent films like Raya and Encanto).

I agree. I sort of liked that when wishes are given to King Magnifico, the dreamer forgets all about it. I bet that's the way he has to control his subjects, keep them obedient and avoid revolts. I guess he literally takes away their dreams from them, and after giving them to him, they no longer have the aspirations they once had. However, Asha's friends being like a copy of the seven dwarfs and the film "explaining" why certain Disney tropes are the way they are doesn't sound good to me. I bet this is one of the parts you liked:

When the song comes to close, a doe turns to its natural predator and says, “thanks for not eating me.” “Don’t mention it, Bambi,” comes the reply.

Source: https://variety.com/2023/artisans/globa ... 235646595/

But it`s interesting how there will be nods to Bambi and The Jungle Book (since they were my childhood favorites from Walt), since most of the Revival features starring Princesses have mostly referenced their Princess predecessors (at least in the public eye).

I guess it's because, unlike those films, this one celebrates the Disney legacy in general and not only the Princesses. By the way, Bambi and The Jungle Book are also two of my favorites from Walt!

The initial premise is very reminiscent of Wicked.

I've never seen the show; just listened to the songs, but now that you mention it, I also see some similarities. Was Elphaba also the Wizard's assistant there?

[UmbrellaFish]

D82, yeah spoilers for Wicked ahead: she’s singled out as someone who could be a protege of the Wizard and also sees him as a source of making her own wishes come true (not to be green anymore). Eventually, she realizes the Wizard is a bad guy and rebels against him. The big twist comes at the end when it’s revealed the Wizard is her biological father…

[Farerb]

From what I remember from my history classes at school, there was indeed a time when Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in harmony in Spain, though I guess that didn't last long. I wish the film had been set in Spain itself. It could've still been very diverse, since as I've mentioned, there were Arabs, Jews and also Romani here. Some things look familiar to me, like some trees and flowers or some of the architecture, which is cool, but in general the film reminds me more of something like Frozen than Spain, for some reason. I guess this is the closest I can get to having a Disney film set in my country, though. And maybe it's better this way, because if it was actually set in Spain, the inaccuracies would probably bother me more.

That might have been the case, but from what I learned, Jews had to convert or flee or die, a lot of them were driven out to North Africa.
I did read that some people from Spain are disappointed in this movie, is that true?

I agree. I sort of liked that when wishes are given to King Magnifico, the dreamer forgets all about it. I bet that's the way he has to control his subjects, keep them obedient and avoid revolts. I guess he literally takes away their dreams from them, and after giving them to him, they no longer have the aspirations they once had. However, Asha's friends being like a copy of the seven dwarfs and the film "explaining" why certain Disney tropes are the way they are doesn't sound good to me. I bet this is one of the parts you liked:

That Bambi line was straight up terrible, and now I'm worried that the film will be filled with stupid jokes like that.

"The Teens" sounds like a group of Disney Channel stars, like the ones who made those awful music videos during the Platinum Edition DVD days. I also think it's awkward that they're basically supposed to be the dwarfs from Snow White and we're basically going to get the same group four months later in the Snow White remake (and we all know they will be racebended and genderbended as well).

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

From what I remember from my history classes at school, there was indeed a time when Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in harmony in Spain, though I guess that didn't last long. I wish the film had been set in Spain itself. It could've still been very diverse, since as I've mentioned, there were Arabs, Jews and also Romani here. Some things look familiar to me, like some trees and flowers or some of the architecture, which is cool, but in general the film reminds me more of something like Frozen than Spain, for some reason. I guess this is the closest I can get to having a Disney film set in my country, though. And maybe it's better this way, because if it was actually set in Spain, the inaccuracies would probably bother me more.

That might have been the case, but from what I learned, Jews had to convert or flee or die, a lot of them were driven out to North Africa.
I did read that some people from Spain are disappointed in this movie, is that true?

I agree. I sort of liked that when wishes are given to King Magnifico, the dreamer forgets all about it. I bet that's the way he has to control his subjects, keep them obedient and avoid revolts. I guess he literally takes away their dreams from them, and after giving them to him, they no longer have the aspirations they once had. However, Asha's friends being like a copy of the seven dwarfs and the film "explaining" why certain Disney tropes are the way they are doesn't sound good to me. I bet this is one of the parts you liked:

That Bambi line was straight up terrible, and now I'm worried that the film will be filled with stupid jokes like that.

"The Teens" sounds like a group of Disney Channel stars, like the ones who made those awful music videos during the Platinum Edition DVD days. I also think it's awkward that they're basically supposed to be the dwarfs from Snow White and we're basically going to get the same group four months later in the Snow White remake (and we all know they will be racebended and genderbended as well).

We should wait and see how it’s executed, before judging.

It could be nothing more than just a subtle joke in the same way we got the Sebastian joke in the post-credits scene of Moana.

[D82]

D82, yeah spoilers for Wicked ahead: she’s singled out as someone who could be a protege of the Wizard and also sees him as a source of making her own wishes come true (not to be green anymore). Eventually, she realizes the Wizard is a bad guy and rebels against him. The big twist comes at the end when it’s revealed the Wizard is her biological father…

I see. Thanks for the summary. I understood part of the story thanks to the songs, but not all of it. I knew the Wizard was the bad guy, for example, but I don't think I knew he was her biological father. Although, maybe I knew and I forgot about it, since it was several years ago when I listened to the cast recording. Yeah, King Magnifico has more than one thing in common with the Wizard and his relationship with Asha reminds of Elphaba and the Wizard's too. Regarding the latter, in one of the recent articles it says Asha is hand chosen to interview to be the new assistant to King Magnifico. I wonder if there's a reason why he wants her in particular for the job.

Frozen was also compared to Wicked, right? I guess Jennifer Lee really likes it.

That might have been the case, but from what I learned, Jews had to convert or flee or die, a lot of them were driven out to North Africa.

Yes, that's true and it was a really horrible thing. I think it was the Catholic Monarchs who ordered that, but I was referring to an earlier time period. I think the Jews lived here for many years. In many cities here there are still Jewish quarters called "juderías", which is where they used to live. And there are many towns with Muslim names and mosques from that time period as well.

I did read that some people from Spain are disappointed in this movie, is that true?

I actually don't know. There isn't any Spanish Disney site I follow. I did read some comments on Twitter when the teaser came out and I remember some people here noticed the Moorish influences of the architecture. I don't remember any backlash, but maybe the general public hadn't realized yet where the film was set.

"The Teens" sounds like a group of Disney Channel stars, like the ones who made those awful music videos during the Platinum Edition DVD days. I also think it's awkward that they're basically supposed to be the dwarfs from Snow White and we're basically going to get the same group four months later in the Snow White remake (and we all know they will be racebended and genderbended as well).

It's true; The Teens sounds like a band or something. And, you're right; there'll be two very similar groups in a very short time.

It could be nothing more than just a subtle joke in the same way we got the Sebastian joke in the post-credits scene of Moana.

Yes, that's a small thing, but I fear there might be many more jokes like that. We'll see, I hope it's not the case.