Wish

[Sotiris]

That was then. Now we're in a time where Disney won't allow an underage girl to be in a relationship in order not to risk criticism of teaching girls to be obsessed with romance at a young age.

True, although that isn't really based on reality, is it? Teenage girls are very much interested in romance and it's a normal part of growing up. Why is Disney OK with Pixar having a female lead who's literally obsessed with a bunch of boys, but not with WDAS having a female lead that shows any interest in romance? Seems like a double standard to me. Besides, it's not necessary to have her focused on finding romantic love or show her getting married by the end of the movie. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

If she's 17 years old, that means she won't have a love interest.

I don't know about that since Asha is allegedly supposed to be an LGBTQ character in the movie.

[Disney's Divinity]

The problem with romance is probably specifically related to how the Disney Princess line is perceived; any Disney Princess film is likely to receive criticism of that aspect in a different way than other films that are unrelated, like Turning Red or Elemental.

I totally get their purpose in making more films with female protagonists who aren't romance-driven for the line to have variety and avoid that stigma--same way they want there to be more princesses of color--but I feel like they can give us a princess with a romance every once in a while at least. They've been offering a lot of princess characters without it at this point that it's not like romance is the only thing the Princess line is associated with anymore, so it's not as big of deal as it was maybe 15 years ago.

At least this film will have a straight villain, the first in 13 years.... In comparison, the last WDAS film with romance was Frozen II three years ago, where Anna and Kristoff get married. Didn't Ralph and Yaaas in Ralph Breaks the Internet have some vaguely romantic air to them, too? Anyway, I wonder if the villain may have some momentary interaction with villains like Maleficent, Ursula, Hades, etc.? I wish Pat Carroll hadn't passed away this past year, if so, but I know it's inevitable they will have to find a replacement for Ursula eventually considering how TLM will receive content forevermore and all. I hope they can find someone as good for her as whoever voices Maleficent these days is.

[Sotiris]

We have confirmation the animation will just be stylized CG.

From Total Film magazine.




From the Instagram account of Kee Suong, an effects animator working on the film.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

So... like the Disney short Paperman, basically.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

For what it's worth this movie's been worked on since before this past January: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 235076391/.

[Sotiris]

So... like the Disney short Paperman, basically.

No. Disney used the software Maender for Papaerman. For this, they are using Hyperion for character animation and Houdini for effects animation which are the same software they always use for their CG films. Also, Paperman had some, albeit limited, 2D animation and drawings make it into the final product. It was essentially a more refined type of cel-shading because the filmmakers wanted a sketch-like look. Wish uses non-photoresalistic rendering to achieve a more painterly look. 2D animation and drawings are not part of it. The movie is going to look like the animation tests you saw at the D23 Expo.

[D82]

Here's a recording that shows some parts of the D23 presentation of Wish we hadn't seen.

From the Instagram account of Kee Suong, an effects animator working on the film.

The fact that that artist doesn't know what country the movie is inspired by I think is another indication it's not set in a specific place but a combination of several of them. Who knows, perhaps, like Strange World, is not even set in our planet. That's actually the first impression I got, but most likely it's just a fantasy kingdom in our world.

[Farerb]

He says "one of the most formidable foes in Disney history" which I'm not sure if he means that she's up against one of the foes in previous films (like D82 said) or a foe they think we'll be one of the most formidable (like they thought Splat will be an iconic sidekick ).

[Sotiris]

The fact that that artist doesn't know what country the movie is inspired by I think is another indication it's not set in a specific place but a combination of several of them.

When it's a combination of places, it's usually based on countries that are in close proximity and have many cultural similarities. That doesn't seem to be the case here. All other characters so far have Spanish-sounding names and the architecture of the place looks European too. The only one who stands out is Asha. Her name, hairstyle, and outfit don't read European at all. I suppose we need to see what the other characters look like first, but I was thinking maybe Asha is an immigrant or the child of immigrants or has one parent who came from outside the Kingdom of Rosas. That way Asha could be biracial, the same way her voice actress is. I think that would make more sense than having a setting that's a hodgepodge of various disparate cultures with no rhyme or reason to it.

He says "one of the most formidable foes in Disney history" which I'm not sure if he means that she's up against one of the foes in previous films (like D82 said) or a foe they think we'll be one of the most formidable (like they thought Splat will be an iconic sidekick ).

It's probably the latter. I still have my doubts whether there will be an actual villain here and not some generic evil power that's threatening the kingdom or an antagonist who's misunderstood and ultimately redeemed.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

All other characters so far have Spanish-sounding names and the architecture of the place looks European too.

Valentino sounds somewhere between Spanish and Italian, though.

[Sotiris]

Either way, both languages are derived from Latin and have many similarities. My point is all the other names are European except the name Asha. That can't be a coincidence.

[Mooky]

He says "one of the most formidable foes in Disney history" which I'm not sure if he means that she's up against one of the foes in previous films (like D82 said) or a foe they think we'll be one of the most formidable (like they thought Splat will be an iconic sidekick ).

It's probably the latter. I still have my doubts whether there will be an actual villain here and not some generic evil power that's threatening the kingdom or an antagonist who's misunderstood and ultimately redeemed.

With Disney's penchant for twists and villains-that-are-not-villains, what are the odds of Asha herself, or rather a variant of her, being the villain? Maybe one that gave up wishing on stars and became jaded and disillusioned. What is the most formidable foe one can face if not themselves, and it would play into the trope of 'the greatest battle is the one with yourself'. Too Lightyear/Meet the Robinsons-ish?

Oh, and Happy New Year, fellow forum members!

[Sotiris]

Too Lightyear/Meet the Robinsons-ish?

Yeah, it's too similar and too recent. Besides, that's more of a trope of sci-fi than fantasy. In any case, I expect the "most formidable foe" to turn out to be something boring and underwhelming. I hope I'm wrong.

[Farerb]

What is the most formidable foe one can face if not themselves, and it would play into the trope of 'the greatest battle is the one with yourself'. Too Lightyear/Meet the Robinsons-ish?

Don't forget Ralph Breaks the Internet.

[Farerb]

I only now noticed this:

[Sotiris]

I wouldn't put too much stock on that remark. Every "princess" film since Tangled has been labeled as such.

[Mooky]

^^ I swear, they've been using this same tired phrase since The Princess and the Frog, just retire it already. Why can't they just say, "hey, we have a great, new movie here that we believe can stand alongside any other Disney classic that you love", instead of hyping it up this way, or worse, disparaging old movies to prop up new ones (looking at you, live-action remakes).

Don't forget Ralph Breaks the Internet.

I had that abomination purged out of my mind the minute I was done watching it.

[D82]

To be fair, I don't think that line was by Disney but by the magazine who published the article.

When it's a combination of places, it's usually based on countries that are in close proximity and have many cultural similarities. That doesn't seem to be the case here. All other characters so far have Spanish-sounding names and the architecture of the place looks European too. The only one who stands out is Asha. Her name, hairstyle, and outfit don't read European at all. I suppose we need to see what the other characters look like first, but I was thinking maybe Asha is an immigrant or the child of immigrants or has one parent who came from outside the Kingdom of Rosas. That way Asha could be biracial, the same way her voice actress is. I think that would make more sense than having a setting that's a hodgepodge of various disparate cultures with no rhyme or reason to it.

That's an interesting theory that would indeed explain many things. However, I'm more inclined to believe it's actually a hodgepodge of different cultures. I hope you're right, though.

He says "one of the most formidable foes in Disney history" which I'm not sure if he means that she's up against one of the foes in previous films (like D82 said) or a foe they think we'll be one of the most formidable (like they thought Splat will be an iconic sidekick ).

It could mean both things, but in the video I posted Jennifer Lee also stresses that this is an original film with original characters, so perhaps the villain is a new character after all.

It's probably the latter. I still have my doubts whether there will be an actual villain here and not some generic evil power that's threatening the kingdom or an antagonist who's misunderstood and ultimately redeemed.

I think there will be a villain like they said, but they haven't promised it'll be a traditional one. I could see it being redeemed by the end.

Oh, and Happy New Year, fellow forum members!

Happy new year to you too!

Yeah, it's too similar and too recent. Besides, that's more of a trope of sci-fi than fantasy. In any case, I expect the "most formidable foe" to turn out to be something boring and underwhelming. I hope I'm wrong.

That was also my first thought; that it's too recent. But Disney made many twist villains in a row, so who knows. I agree that's more common in sci-fi films, though.

[Farerb]

I wonder what kind of voice Alan Tudyk plans to do, cause if he sounds like King Candy / Duke of Weselton throughout the film, it'll be annoying and distracting.