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ALL NEW! ALL FUN! Create your own Programme of WDAS Films!

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So, I’ve been meaning to do this for ages. Please do not be discouraged by the wall of text. I hope you guys enjoy reading this! :)

The Rationale

I got my first DVD in 2004. It was a lovely gift – the region 1 Gold Classic Collection edition of Mary Poppins! Since then I diligently collected all the Walt Disney Animation Studios feature films on DVD. The animation-centric Walt Disney Treasures sets were important too as were the live action and animation hybrid films in which the animated segments were contributed by Disney Animation.

When Blu-ray came along, I decided to upgrade those films that I held most dear. That idea was eventually discarded in favour of a complete high-definition collection of the entire canon! :wink: I now own a Blu-ray copy of every WDAS film that has earned a release on the format. For obvious reasons I am still missing Make Mine Music, Melody Time and The Black Cauldron – which drives me insane – but what can you do? At least I have the DVDs. I consider myself lucky to be in possession of a burned DVD copy of Song of the South that 2099net graciously recorded off a BBC broadcast and then mailed to me all the way from the UK to Malta.

I estimate that as a child I would watch my bootlegged VHS copies of the Disney animated films on average twice a year (maybe more, maybe less.) I would deliberately opt not to revisit too often so that the films would remain fresh and enjoyable. I loved the warm, fuzzy feeling of watching a film I purposely abstained from for some time.

When I got into DVD collecting this mindset remained but became far more extreme. I would say that nowadays it takes me about six years to give the average Disney animated film a whirl following my last viewing. Because of that, the absolute majority of my Blu-ray collection of the WDAS films has been viewed only once! This includes the Platinum Edition of Sleeping Beauty which came out way back in 2008, and which has almost never left my shelf since then.

I recall that when I had accumulated most of the WDAS library on Blu-ray I decided that I wanted to watch the movies in chronological order. By this I do not mean I intended a movie marathon, with three or four films a day. Even if that were possible, it would have completely spoiled my enjoyment of the films. The “rule” was that every time I watched a WDAS film it would directly follow the canon list. I could fit in two or three movies a week. Sometimes I would go a month without watching a single one. In between WDAS films it was fine to watch other movies – live action or animated – as long as I adhered religiously to chronology for the Disney releases.

However, it turns out this system caused some monotony. Even if I wasn’t quite binging on the films, watching them in order made them feel altogether less interesting; storytelling formulas or conventions between one film and the next were very easy to perceive. Do note that I am not making specific reference to the Renaissance films here, but all the other eras too. I do not blame the movies or the filmmakers; similarity between movies released in close succession is expected and understandable. It is just the way things are. I am certain the feeling I experienced was exacerbated by my familiarity with the majority of these entries.

Well … that was a pretty long time ago.

It is time for another go. :D

However, I do not want to run into the same problem twice. So, I devised a custom order, or “programme” of all the WDAS films. This time I shall be disregarding chronological order in favour of narrative and stylistic contrasts. I hope this will enhance the enjoyment and appreciation of the films, both for me and any other potential viewers who may wish to try it out. Compiling this programme has taken a lot longer than I anticipated – and I am certain I will make amendments in the future – but it has been great fun! I fully intend to follow it when I start my adventure once again.

As an additional challenge I decided to attach one or two animated short subjects to each feature film. Regrettably this detail cannot be simulated in real life with DVD and Blu-ray unless one fancies constantly hopping between the sofa and the player, swapping multiple discs whilst navigating previews and countless menus prior to the feature presentation. This would break the immersion and is utterly useless. (I am aware that this can be achieved by ripping the discs to a PC, but it requires time, expertise and digital storage space that I do not have. I am also sceptical if it is possible to rip a disc and retain the original audio and video quality down to the last byte.)

The choice of animated shorts was daunting and ultimately I had to fast-track the process as there is only so much time one can justify spending on such a project (we all have far more important things to do in life!) As such, my choices may not be ideal. They are also limited to those films I can remember, if only vaguely. In some exceptional cases I have included short subjects I have never watched, but I knew enough about them to feel confident in my choice (for now, at any rate!) You will see that Goofy and Pluto are grossly underrepresented. I really did want to include more of their cartoons – especially the “George Geef” Goofy entries – but I couldn’t possibly give consideration to those films I remember absolutely nothing about. (I watched my Complete Goofy DVD set just once and it has been about twelve years!)

The Proposal

I would love to see your programmes of the WDAS films and how you would go about the task. If the job seems overwhelming do not fret, it doesn’t have to be exactly like mine (i.e. the entire canon.) It might just be a curated list of your favourites. Neither do you have to add shorts if you do not want to. You can make up your own rules.

For those who are game with short subjects it might be interesting to include those from other studios, like Warner Brothers, MGM, Fleischer/Famous Studios, UPA, TerryToons, etc. I am pretty sure there are quite a few Tex Avery laugh riots that would pair scintillatingly well with certain Disney films. :wink:

If you’re feeling particularly ambitious you can try mixing up the WDAS features with those of other studios like Pixar, DreamWorks, Blue Sky, Sony, Laika, international animation studios and even arthouse or indie animated films.

Here are the guidelines I set for myself in compiling my programme.

The Rules – Feature Films

1. The programme must begin with Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, even if it is a safe and predictable choice.

2. Aim to create contrasts. Avoid lumping the musical films together. The same applies for action-adventure films like The Rescuers Down Under or Treasure Planet. Follow up the narratively-heavy, epic films with something light-hearted and zany, and vice versa.

3. It is imperative that sequels follow the original films, even if way down the list. This also includes spiritual successors. Thus:
  • Fantasia is followed by Fantasia 2000

    Saludos Amigos is followed by The Three Caballeros

    Make Mine Music is followed by Melody Time

    The Rescuers is followed by The Rescuers Down Under

    The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh is followed by Winnie the Pooh

    Wreck-It Ralph is followed by Ralph Breaks the Internet

    Frozen is followed by Frozen II
4. Films that are unrelated but nevertheless evoke a similar feeling or reaction due to narrative or visual style must follow this order:
  • The Aristocats, The Rescuers and Oliver & Company cannot be included on the list before One Hundred and One Dalmatians.

    The Little Mermaid is the first Broadway-styled Renaissance film to appear in the programme.

    Comedy-fests Hercules and The Emperor’s New Groove can only show up after Aladdin.

    Brother Bear can only be slotted in after Tarzan (probably due to the Phil Collins connection.)
5. Other films with narrative, visual or structural similarities must be spaced out, even if no order has been specified:
  • The movies with leading or supporting princess characters must be distributed more or less evenly throughout the list.

    The same applies to the anthology films. (My definition of an anthology film is any movie that is made up of at least two different segments. This includes Fantasia, Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros, Make Mine Music, Fun and Fancy Free, Melody Time, The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh and Fantasia 2000.)

    A similar approach is required for the animation and live action hybrid films.

    Those Films that recycle animation rather egregiously must be distanced from the “donor” film. Hence, there should be sizeable gaps between Snow White and Robin Hood, Dumbo and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, and The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad and The Jungle Book. Similarly, The Jungle Book, The Sword in the Stone and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh must be separated from each other to an acceptable degree. (I feel The Aristocats and Robin Hood have ended up a little too close for comfort in this regard.)
6. Care must be taken with films that include characters from otherwise unrelated movies within the canon. Direct references must also be taken into account:
  • Fun and Fancy Free follows Pinocchio as I do not like the idea of Jiminy Cricket showing up in the anthology film first rather than the original Pinocchio. The fact that Fun has no other references to the earlier epic is irrelevant.

    Aladdin makes two short but unmissable nods to The Little Mermaid and Pinocchio. It cannot be included before those two.

    Ralph Breaks the Internet is a nightmare as there are so many established Disney characters crammed into it. The most prominent ones are the princesses.

    Since the last princess film in my programme is located near the end, there was no option but to include Ralph 2 afterwards to avoid similar conflicts as in the above scenarios. However, it simply wasn’t practical to take every cameoing character’s respective film into account when positioning the Ralph sequel. Tinker Bell appears briefly during the film’s Oh My Disney scene, yet Peter Pan follows Ralph 2 on my programme simply because I was set on having the classic Disney film in that position. Certainly that was as far down the list as I was comfortable putting in Ralph Breaks the Internet anyway. (I would have preferred a little further forward, but not too much.)

    Of course, Ralph 2 also contains cameos of non-WDAS characters, including some from the Pixar films (Brave and Toy Story) as well as others from the Star Wars franchise and the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Integrating the referenced Pixar films as well as the whole Star Wars and Marvel saga into this programme simply to ensure the viewer “gets the references” goes beyond the scope of this endeavour. In any case, of all the modern Marvel movies I have only watched the original Iron Man, and not a single Star Wars film (really!), but I still fully enjoyed Ralph 2 and got the references (sort of) since Groot and the Stormtroopers are everywhere even if I’ve never watched their respective films. Were I familiar with these non-Disney properties I expect to have gotten an increased kick out of the cameos, but they’re not essential. Imagine if the Wreck-It Ralph cameos could only be enjoyed if one has played the featured characters’ video games. I never owned a Nintendo or Sega console and certainly never played Super Mario Bros., Sonic the Hedgehog, Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat. Still, I was grinning from ear to ear seeing established video game characters in a Disney film. (For the record, my gaming experiences dealt mostly with the Commodore 64 and the Sony PlayStation. I will say that the Metal Gear Solid reference made me squeal with laughter. I also loved the Tomb Raider and the hidden Final Fantasy VII nods. These are games I did play.)

    I decided not to worry about the multiple canine cameos in films like One Hundred and One Dalmatians and Oliver & Company, or the appearance of Bill and Dumbo in The Great Mouse Detective. Neither did I lose sleep over Rapunzel’s appearance in Frozen. You have to draw the line somewhere!


The Rules - Animated Shorts

1. Contrast the short film with the feature. However, it is fine to pair shorts with features based on narrative and thematic similarities. Variety is key.

2. Aim for two short subjects per film. Include just one short when it is in featurette format rather than the typical seven minute one-reel. The same should be observed when the feature film is an anthology of shorter films. In this case the attached short should preferably be a more conventional rather than experimental sort of film. This is because anthology films are naturally more taxing on the mind due to the multiple narratives. You cannot enjoy them if you get fatigued.

3. Ideally a character based short would be paired with a one-shot cartoon. Avoid including two shorts from the same series (e.g. two Donalds, two Plutos, two Mickeys, etc.)

4. In certain cases some form of chronology is needed. Assuming the viewer is unfamiliar with Donald Duck cartoons, one cannot programme an entry like Cured Duck prior to establishing Donald’s anger management problems in earlier shorts and still expect it to have the requisite impact.

5. Those films which had short subjects attached on their theatrical release must retain them.

THE PROGRAMME ITSELF (Gasp! We're finally here!)

1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
a. Thru the Mirror
b. The Old Mill

2. The Jungle Book
a. Paul Bunyan

3. Alice in Wonderland
a. The Pied Piper
b. Mickey’s Fire Brigade

4. Zootopia
a. Who Killed Cock Robin?
b. Lighthouse Keeping

5. Saludos Amigos
a. Ben and Me

6. Pinocchio
a. Wynken, Blynken and Nod
b. Private Pluto

7. Bolt
a. Three Orphan Kittens
b. Glago’s Guest

8. Tarzan
a. Self Control
b. Lambert the Sheepish Lion

9. Fun and Fancy Free
a. Pluto’s Judgement Day

10. The Fox and the Hound
a. Figaro and Cleo
b. Susie the Little Blue Coupé

11. Dumbo
a. Chicken Little
b. Fall Out, Fall In

12. The Little Mermaid
a. Music Land
b. Drip Dippy Donald

13. Make Mine Music
a. Mr. Duck Steps Out

14. One Hundred and One Dalmatians
a. Moving Day
b. Jack and Old Mac

15. Encanto
a. The Pelican and the Snipe
b. Rugged Bear

16. Song of the South
a. The Cookie Carnival
b. Pluto’s Sweater

17. Oliver & Company
a. Hawaiian Holiday
b. A Cowboy Needs a Horse

18. Frozen
a. The Hockey Champ
b. Get a Horse

19. Home on the Range
a. The Autograph Hound
b. The Legend of Coyote Rock

20. The Rescuers
a. Ferdinand the Bull
b. Oilspot and Lipstick

21. Mulan
a. Golden Eggs
b. John Henry

22. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
a. Don Donald

23. The Black Cauldron
a. Trick or Treat
b. Vincent

24. Aladdin
a. Mickey’s Trailer
b. Cured Duck

25. So Dear to my Heart
a. Mother Goose Goes Hollywood
b. Magician Mickey

26. The Rescuers Down Under
a. The Prince and the Pauper

27. Winnie the Pooh
a. Sleepytime Donald
b. The Ballad of Nessie

28. The Sword in the Stone
a. Pigs is Pigs
b. Donald Applecore

29. The Princess and the Frog
a. On Ice
b. Duck Pimples

30. The Reluctant Dragon
a. The Old Army Game
b. Victory Vehicles
c. Der Fuehrer’s Face

31. Dinosaur
a. Noah’s Ark

32. Fantasia
a. Off His Rockers

33. Pocahontas
a. Knight for a Day
b. Bearly Asleep

34. The Great Mouse Detective
a. Puss Café
b. Donald’s Diary

35. Bambi
a. How to be a Sailor
b. Commando Duck

36. Big Hero 6
a. Old MacDonald Duck
b. Feast

37. Mary Poppins
a. The Band Concert
b. The Brave Engineer

38. Hercules
a. It’s Tough to be a Bird

39. Wreck-It Ralph
a. Donald’s Crime
b. Paperman

40. The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
a. Donald’s Dream Voice

41. Frozen II
a. R’Coon Dog
b. The Little Matchgirl

42. Brother Bear
a. The Little Whirlwind
b. Donald’s Dilemma

43. Beauty and the Beast
a. The Nifty Nineties
b. Social Lion

44. Victory Through Air Power
a. Education for Death
b. Reason and Emotion

45. Chicken Little
a. Goofy’s Glider
b. The Simple Things

46. Melody Time
a. Tick Tock Tale

47. The Aristocats
a. No Hunting
b. Plutopia

48. Pete’s Dragon
a. Motor Mania
b. Casey Bats Again

49. Cinderella
a. Woodland Café
b. The Little House

50. The Emperor’s New Groove
a. Clock Cleaners
b. Goofy and Wilbur

51. Moana
a. Put-Put Troubles
b. Inner Workings

52. Sleeping Beauty
a. Donald in Mathmagic Land

53. Robin Hood
a. Hockey Homicide
b. How to Have an Accident in the Home

54. Fantasia 2000
a. A Symposium on Popular Songs

55. Meet the Robinsons
a. Boat Builders
b. Orphan’s Benefit (Remake)

56. Lilo & Stitch
a. Mickey’s Birthday Party
b. Donald’s Double Trouble

57. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
a. Society Dog Show
b. One by One

58. Lady and the Tramp
a. Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom
b. Grand Canyonscope

59. Bedknobs and Broomsticks
a. Cock o’ the Walk
b. Mickey’s Delayed Date

60. Atlantis: The Lost Empire
a. Donald’s Better Self
b. How to Hook Up Your Home Theatre

61. The Three Caballeros
a. The Saga of Windwagon Smith

62. Tangled
a. The Pointer
b. Destino

63. Treasure Planet
a. Officer Duck
b. Lorenzo

64. Ralph Breaks the Internet
a. Bellboy Donald
b. Fun with Mr. Future

65. Peter Pan
a. Crazy over Daisy
b. Melody

66. Raya and the Last Dragon
a. Symphony Hour
b. Tangled Ever After

67. The Lion King
a. The Ugly Duckling (Remake)
b. Runaway Brain

Phhhhhheeeeeeewwwwwwww ... :milkbuds:

So, whatcha think guys? Tellmetellmetellmetellme, watcha think? :P
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Jules wrote:I would say that nowadays it takes me about six years to give the average Disney animated film a whirl following my last viewing.
Whoa!

Your #3 rule is interesting; just a night or two ago, I was thinking that, besides watching SA and then T3C, I never have watched the WDAS films with sequels together, so I may take you up on that part of the challenge! (Even though I just watched TRDU and watched the original just a few months ago...)(I've watched A:TLE & A:MR together, but A:MR is DisneyToons obviously...)

#5: Or it might be more fun to watch SW, RH, TMAoWtP, TJB, etc. in a row to see the copied animation!

Shout-out to Commodore 64!

15. Encanto...um, can't do this challenge for a while ;)

31. Dinosaur, 32. Fantasia...interesting that you're allowing 2 Dino-based movies to be next to each other!

30. The Reluctant Dragon, 31. Dinosaur...why does 30 get 3 shorts and 31 just one?

I definitely think you did a fabulous job of keeping it fresh, with the different genres of films not being clumped together.
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Ames wrote:Your #3 rule is interesting; just a night or two ago, I was thinking that, besides watching SA and then T3C, I never have watched the WDAS films with sequels together, so I may take you up on that part of the challenge!
Oh! You don't have to watch the original and the sequels back to back. :) When I wrote "Movie Y followed by Movie X" I simply meant that the order must be observed, even of the both movies are at the extreme ends of the list. I put that "rule" at the beginning since it barely needed mentioning, but I still felt I should specify it.
Ames wrote:Shout-out to Commodore 64!
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Ames wrote:31. Dinosaur, 32. Fantasia...interesting that you're allowing 2 Dino-based movies to be next to each other!
Crap!! I missed that!

Oh well, the Stravinsky segment of Fantasia is only one part of the film. Rules are meant to be ... broken, I guess? :P :lol:
Ames wrote:30. The Reluctant Dragon, 31. Dinosaur...why does 30 get 3 shorts and 31 just one?
I made an exception for Reluctant Dragon re the attached shorts, though there really isn't a good reason for it! :wink: I guess I could remove The Old Army Game, but then we wouldn't see Donald grieving for his butt now, would we? :D (That short cracks me up, btw.)

Dinosaur has just one short because Noah's Ark is featurette length.
Ames wrote:I definitely think you did a fabulous job of keeping it fresh, with the different genres of films not being clumped together.
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I was typing as I was reading, so later on in your post I did see that you broke up the sequels, but I didn't edit what I wrote...But I still think that's a separate "challenge," to watch the originals and sequels back-to-back!

Yes, rules are meant to be broken! :p I love dinosaurs, so I was happy to see dino films back-to-back, but you are totally right that Rite of Spring is just one element...

I didn't even think of your featurette rule, so that makes sense about Noah's Ark. :p

I had been meaning to go back and really pay attention to what shorts you included with each film. I think since Thru the Mirror can't be with Alice that Snow White is a good choice, and obviously The Old Mill is fantastic and it feels good with Snow White. Glago's Guest obviously makes sense with Bolt, as does TP&tP with TRDU & Nessie w/ WtP, Feast & BH6, etc. Growing up, Dumbo was a recorded copy, with Elmer Elephant, but with your rules, that probably wouldn't have been allowed to pair with Dumbo. :p Very fitting choices for The Black Cauldron's shorts. I'm glad you gave The Little Matchgirl some love...you can cry at that and then an hour later cry at Anna (and both are loosely based off of Hans Christian Andersen). Lots of crying. Whoa at Fantasia 2000 with ASoPS...that's very fitting...and not against the rules? Interesting that Working for Peanuts wasn't put with Meet the Robinsons; with 3D showings, at least in the US, that short was paired with it in theaters. I think pairing Destino with Tangled fits really well, since both took a long time to create the finished product!

I know you said that you kind of had to rush through the shorts selections, but I'm very curious how you came to pair some. And it's very interesting that, like, Tangled After Ever isn't allowed with Tangled. I admire that you had time to go through all of those...I don't have time to pair all the shorts with the films!
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blackcauldron85 wrote:Whoa at Fantasia 2000 with ASoPS...that's very fitting...and not against the rules?
My God I am late replying to this! :lol:

Re Fantasia 2000 paired with Symposium - yes, the pairing may seem to be against the rules. They both deal with music, but not the same type of music. Also, they couldn't be more different stylistically and tonally. Symposium is a farce, and a rather funny one I think. :)
blackcauldron85 wrote:Interesting that Working for Peanuts wasn't put with Meet the Robinsons; with 3D showings, at least in the US, that short was paired with it in theaters.
I think I just preferred Boat Builders as a short, rather than Working for Peanuts. That's about it.
blackcauldron85 wrote:I know you said that you kind of had to rush through the shorts selections, but I'm very curious how you came to pair some.
Feel free to ask if you have some particular examples in mind. (Provided you haven't forgotten them, lol :oops:)
blackcauldron85 wrote:And it's very interesting that, like, Tangled After Ever isn't allowed with Tangled.
That was because Tangled Ever After takes place after Tangled, so to me it makes no sense to show it before the film.

I think I had similar feelings re Olaf's Frozen Adventure. While I still cannot understand the "outrage" of cinemagoers a few years back who were complaining for getting more bang for their buck (really ... it boggles the mind) during their Coco screening, I think I may have been annoyed if I had to watch that without having first watched the original Frozen (and actually being interested in doing so, just not having got around to it yet.) While it may seem ridiculous that some people still haven't watched Frozen, I am sure there are plenty. And of those people, a not insignificant amount still haven't tasted Frozen not because they are disinterested in it, but because of other circumstances outside their control.

For example, I still haven't watched any Star Wars movie and every MCU film with the exception of the first Iron Man. :P I am looking forward to checking them out, even if somebody I know personally regrettably (and deliberately!!) revealed the greatest spoiler of all in Avengers: Endgame to me.

I have four expensive Marvel blu-ray boxed sets still sitting on my shelf. I am still not sure when I can muster the courage to start viewing all those movies already knowing how a certain, very important character ends up at the end of the 1000th movie. :cry: I truly hope there's other stuff in there to ease my soul when I start that journey.
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