Your Top 10 Favorite Animated Movies (ALL studios)

[D82]

I'm trying to find sources about that Jewish folktale cause I don't have any knowledge on it and I asked my Russian/Ukrainian friends and they don't know about it as well.

The only animated film I know is The Prince of Egypt.

There's also Don Bluth's An American Tail. When I was a child I didn't know the main character and his family were meant to be Jewish, as I didn't even know what Hanukkah was. I think it's no accident that both The Prince of Egypt and An American Tail were produced by Steven Spielberg. But I hadn't noticed there were so few animated films with Jewish protagonists.

Though not full-length films, Disney also has the featurette The Small One and the Noah's Ark segment from Fantasia 2000. I guess Donald and Daisy are supposed to be Jewish there, aren't they?

Regarding Corpse Bride, I found this article which has some info about the original folktale: https://www.jweekly.com/2005/09/16/tim- ... ish-bones/

[Farerb]

Yes that's true about An American Tail, I forgot about it since I haven't seen it since I was a child.

I'm not familiar with The Small One, but you're right about Noah's Arc since it is a story from the Bible, though Noah and his wife were not Jewish. The word originated when the Kingdom of Israel was divided into Israel and Judah or Judea, so the people of Israel were called Israelites and the people of Judah were called Jews, then the Romans drove the Israelites to Judah and everyone was called Jews. Before the 12 tribes were formed into the Kingdom of Israel, they were called Hebrews (like in The Prince of Egypt), but even that term originated with Abraham. However Jews are descendant from Noah, so he is part of the story.

Regarding Corp's Bride - if that part is true:

The characters are non-Jewish, he added, “because Tim gravitates toward universal, fairy-tale qualities in his films.”

Then it's really disturbing.

[DisneyFan97]

Yes that's true about An American Tail, I forgot about it since I haven't seen it since I was a child.

I'm not familiar with The Small One, but you're right about Noah's Arc since it is a story from the Bible, though Noah and his wife were not Jewish. The word originated when the Kingdom of Israel was divided into Israel and Judah or Judea, so the people of Israel were called Israelites and the people of Judah were called Jews, then the Romans drove the Israelites to pJudah and everyone was called Jews. Before the 12 tribes were formed into the Kingdom of Israel, they were called Hebrews (like in The Prince of Egypt), but even that term originated with Abraham. However Jews are descendant from Noah, so he is part of the story.

Regarding Corp's Bride - if that part is true:

The characters are non-Jewish, he added, “because Tim gravitates toward universal, fairy-tale qualities in his films.”

Then it's really disturbing.

Why is it disturbing ?

I don’t get it.

Also it’s set in votorian England, i have no idea If there were jews in that time in place , just wanted to bring it up

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I'm not sure if I can make an exact list, but from Disney I especially like the early movies like Snow White and Pinocchio, which still has a sense of avantgarde about them.

The Secret of NIMH and The Last Unicorn should also be included.

The three movies from Rene Laloux, most of all Fantastic Planet. More animated features like that should be made.

From Ghibli one can mention Laputa and Spirited Away. There is something about Ghibli that prevents them from (so far) making movies that are perfect, but there are amongst the better.

(What I would have felt about The Red Turtle, I don't know, but Netflix suddenly pulled it just a couple of weeks after I realized it was there.)

[JeanGreyForever]

I'm trying to find sources about that Jewish folktale cause I don't have any knowledge on it and I asked my Russian/Ukrainian friends and they don't know about it as well.

The only animated film I know is The Prince of Egypt.

There's also Don Bluth's An American Tail. When I was a child I didn't know the main character and his family were meant to be Jewish, as I didn't even know what Hanukkah was. I think it's no accident that both The Prince of Egypt and An American Tail were produced by Steven Spielberg. But I hadn't noticed there were so few animated films with Jewish protagonists.

Though not full-length films, Disney also has the featurette The Small One and the Noah's Ark segment from Fantasia 2000. I guess Donald and Daisy are supposed to be Jewish there, aren't they?

Regarding Corpse Bride, I found this article which has some info about the original folktale: https://www.jweekly.com/2005/09/16/tim- ... ish-bones/

Oh I forgot about An American Tail. As a child, I didn't understand that Fievel's family was Jewish either. I even heard that Spielberg had to really fight for Fievel to be named that as Don Bluth felt the name was too foreign. The nickname "Filly" which Tony gives Fievel was a compromise between the two.

And thank you for finding more information on that!

Yes that's true about An American Tail, I forgot about it since I haven't seen it since I was a child.

I'm not familiar with The Small One, but you're right about Noah's Arc since it is a story from the Bible, though Noah and his wife were not Jewish. The word originated when the Kingdom of Israel was divided into Israel and Judah or Judea, so the people of Israel were called Israelites and the people of Judah were called Jews, then the Romans drove the Israelites to pJudah and everyone was called Jews. Before the 12 tribes were formed into the Kingdom of Israel, they were called Hebrews (like in The Prince of Egypt), but even that term originated with Abraham. However Jews are descendant from Noah, so he is part of the story.

Regarding Corp's Bride - if that part is true: Then it's really disturbing.

Why is it disturbing ?

I don’t get it.

Also it’s set in votorian England, i have no idea If there were jews in that time in place , just wanted to bring it up

I'm pretty sure they did exist then (look at Oliver Twist which reeks of anti-Semitism) but they were considered undesirables and heavily mistreated.

[D82]

I'm not familiar with The Small One, but you're right about Noah's Arc since it is a story from the Bible, though Noah and his wife were not Jewish. The word originated when the Kingdom of Israel was divided into Israel and Judah or Judea, so the people of Israel were called Israelites and the people of Judah were called Jews, then the Romans drove the Israelites to Judah and everyone was called Jews. Before the 12 tribes were formed into the Kingdom of Israel, they were called Hebrews (like in The Prince of Egypt), but even that term originated with Abraham. However Jews are descendant from Noah, so he is part of the story.

Oh, OK. Thanks for explaining it to me. I've always found it a bit confusing that there were so many different ways of referring to people from Israel. Now I understand it better.

By the way, I've read on Wikipedia that Jeffrey Katzenberg already wanted to do an animated adaptation of Moses' story when he was at Disney, but that Michael Eisner refused. It's a shame Disney didn't make it. Or another story from the Bible. I was raised as an Evangelical Christian, which is not very common in Spain where the main religion is the Catholic one, and my father used to read my siblings and me those stories when we were little. I loved the stories of Joseph, Daniel, David, Esther, etc. I would've liked to see one of them adapted as a Disney film. Though, I don't know, knowing Disney maybe they wouldn't have been very faithful to the source material and I wouldn't have liked that. I have some issues with The Prince of Egypt because of that and that one is quite faithful compared to other animated adaptations from books.

Regarding Corp's Bride - if that part is true:

The characters are non-Jewish, he added, “because Tim gravitates toward universal, fairy-tale qualities in his films.”

Then it's really disturbing.

Yeah, that's not a valid excuse. They should've kept the original ethnicity of the characters.

As for the topic of this thread, like Rumpelstiltskin, I don't think I can make a ranking, but I think the only non-Disney film in my top ten would be Toy Story. I'm not sure what position it would have in my ranking, though. In my top 20 or so, I guess more films from other studios would start to appear. Some other non-Disney films among my favorites are Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles and Cars from Pixar; Shrek, Kung Fu Panda, Madagascar and How to Train Your Dragon from DreamWorks; Kiki's Delivery Service and Howl's Moving Castle from Studio Ghibli, Despicable Me from Illumination; An American Tail, The Swan Princess, etc. I have the feeling I'm forgetting some important titles, but these are the main ones I can think of right now.

I also love the Asterix films. By the way, are they popular in America and other parts of the world or only in Europe? I'm asking because I don't remember them being mentioned in this forum at all. I guess they must be quite popular in France given that they're from there, but in Spain I think they're quite well-known too. They regularly air on TV and I believe the comics are still sold in many book stores.

[Farerb]

Yeah, it is a bit confusing.
Today Israeli are Israel's citizens - Jewish or non Jewish.
Jews are the people who are part of the religion or the ethnicity, they aren't necessarily Israeli if they live elsewhere like the US or Europe.
Hebrew is a language, the main language spoken in Israel.
It's cool that you also grew up with these stories, I know Katzenberg wanted to make it while in Disney, but I don't know why Eisner refused since he's also Jewish. I guess maybe he didn't want to do religious stories. I think that he didn't like King David (the film with Richard Gere) so maybe he was worried that a film about Moses would be like that.
I think the biggest change in Prince of Egypt is that Moses and Pharoah are brothers and I think they did that to give the film some internal conflict.

As for favorite non Disney animated films:
If we don't consider Pixar as Disney then WALL-E (top 10), The Incredibles, Finding Nemo, Coco.
WB: The Iron Giant.
DreamWorks: The Prince of Egypt.
Ghibli: Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away (I would have included Howl's Moving Castle but I didn't like the second half).
I'm not a huge fan of Stop Motion, mainly because it has an ugly design, but I am fond of The Corpse Bride for its Melancholy.

[DisneyFan97]

I'm not familiar with The Small One, but you're right about Noah's Arc since it is a story from the Bible, though Noah and his wife were not Jewish. The word originated when the Kingdom of Israel was divided into Israel and Judah or Judea, so the people of Israel were called Israelites and the people of Judah were called Jews, then the Romans drove the Israelites to Judah and everyone was called Jews. Before the 12 tribes were formed into the Kingdom of Israel, they were called Hebrews (like in The Prince of Egypt), but even that term originated with Abraham. However Jews are descendant from Noah, so he is part of the story.

Oh, OK. Thanks for explaining it to me. I've always found it a bit confusing that there were so many different ways of referring to people from Israel. Now I understand it better.

By the way, I've read on Wikipedia that Jeffrey Katzenberg already wanted to do an animated adaptation of Moses' story when he was at Disney, but that Michael Eisner refused. It's a shame Disney didn't make it. Or another story from the Bible. I was raised as an Evangelical Christian, which is not very common in Spain where the main religion is the Catholic one, and my father used to read my siblings and me those stories when we were little. I loved the stories of Joseph, Daniel, David, Esther, etc. I would've liked to see one of them adapted as a Disney film. Though, I don't know, knowing Disney maybe they wouldn't have been very faithful to the source material and I wouldn't have liked that. I have some issues with The Prince of Egypt because of that and that one is quite faithful compared to other animated adaptations from books.

Regarding Corp's Bride - if that part is true: Then it's really disturbing.

Yeah, that's not a valid excuse. They should've kept the original ethnicity of the characters.

As for the topic of this thread, like Rumpelstiltskin, I don't think I can make a ranking, but I think.

There actually is an animated movie about Joseph in the works at STX



https://www.google.se/amp/s/variety.com ... 17946/amp/

[DisneyFan97]

I'm pretty sure they did exist then (look at Oliver Twist which reeks of anti-Semitism) but they were considered undesirables and heavily mistreated.

I apologize

[Farerb]

There actually is an animated movie about Joseph in the works at STX



https://www.google.se/amp/s/variety.com ... 17946/amp/

I remember seeing the musical in London when I was 12, though I don't remember it at all. This is from 3 years ago so I hope it's still in the making. I remember that DreamWorks did a DTV about it but it was so bad.

[DisneyFan97]

i apologize if i accidentally offended any jewish people it wasn't my intent

[DC Fan]

A note regarding The Nightmare Before Christmas and The Corpse Bride.

-The Nightmare Before Christmas message ends up being about a common/known message. Learning from one´s mistakes and sharing happiness/love with the world.

-The Corpse Bride is a more intimate story where the Bride´s story itself is sad yet even in the end while she ends up being free and we are happy for her doesn´t diminish the fact that´s still a sad ending.

By the way, The Corpse Bride will never be Nightmare Before Christmas in terms cult following and the fact that it is a Disney property integrated into videogames and parks yet WB should do something to revive it´s popularity. I´m sure that eventually people will re/discover it.

[Disney's Divinity]

I actually always thought TNBC was very similar to Disney’s 90s films, with Jack’s “the other side of the fence is always greener” story of wanting to be part of something that he is not (Christmas). Sally is the bland love interest, like Eric and Jasmine. Oogie is grotesque and mob boss-like, the same way Ursula, Jafar, Hades, and Scar all have varying shades of those same qualities. Of course, the fact that it has skulls and what Christians would call a “demonic” look, lol, they slapped the Touchstone label on it to save themselves any outcry.

Tbh, I'm not that fond of The Corpse Bride. It has its good points though. I love the opening, Belle-esque song, with the parents of both families singing. HBC’s song is pretty if repetitive. Studio Ghibli and Laika are probably my favorite non-Disney studios, for sure; like Disney, I try to buy copies of all their films over time. Dreamworks and Don Bluth have both put out some great, some middling, some awful films, so they're more inconsistent for me. Well, Disney's the same way really, it's just their history is sooo loooong, which makes it easier to overlook the weaker parts of their canon.

The three movies from Rene Laloux, most of all Fantastic Planet. More animated features like that should be made.

I've never heard of Laloux. Hopefully I'll see these films someday if I get the chance.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Here is the trailer for Fantastic Planet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgVHJXg6Fbo

Time Masters trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKBdeb6dmXI

Gandahar trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzBHjfy7kR4

A more surrealistic short: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY46KAXlz7E

I think all of them exist in both original French and dubbed English versions.

Rene Laloux had some philosophies regarding animation, like how movements didn't have to be that fluent to tell a story.

Forgot to mention Shane Acker's 9. The movie didn't quite live up to the trailer, but it shows how animation can be more than Disney, DreamWorks and Anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4BWLtG0elU

[blackcauldron85]

Ooh, "9" is an excellent film!!! Very engrossing.

[Tristy]

here are mine in no particular order:

Fantasia
Sleeping Beauty
Nightmare Before Christmas/Corpse Bride
The Secret of NIMH
Who Framed Roger Rabbit (I know it's half live action but since it does focus on cartoons, I pretty much count it.)
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
The Triplets of Belleville
Ratatouille
Coraline
Aladdin

[D82]

Today Israeli are Israel's citizens - Jewish or non Jewish.
Jews are the people who are part of the religion or the ethnicity, they aren't necessarily Israeli if they live elsewhere like the US or Europe.
Hebrew is a language, the main language spoken in Israel.

I also had doubts about some of these things, like if Israeli could be applied to Jews who don't live in Israel, so now you've cleared all the doubts I still had.

I know Katzenberg wanted to make it while in Disney, but I don't know why Eisner refused since he's also Jewish. I guess maybe he didn't want to do religious stories. I think that he didn't like King David (the film with Richard Gere) so maybe he was worried that a film about Moses would be like that.

I think the reason could be the first thing you said, that he thought adapting religious stories could be tricky. It's not the same as Greek Mythology, for example, that is not a religion that is practiced nowadays. But I don't remember there being much controversy over The Prince of Egypt when it was released, so I think he was wrong.

Curiously, though, Disney borrowed elements from Moses's story in The Lion King. The filmmakers themselves admit it in the making of.

I think the biggest change in Prince of Egypt is that Moses and Pharoah are brothers and I think they did that to give the film some internal conflict.

Yes, I guess that's the biggest one. I actually never really had a problem with it given that I understood that, as you say, they needed that to give the film some internal conflict. My problems were with smaller details like that Aaron doesn't accompany Moses when he goes to speak with Pharaoh, or that they changed the way Moses meets Tzipporah. I understand why they made those changes too, but when you're fond of the original source material, the changes are more difficult to accept.

I even heard that Spielberg had to really fight for Fievel to be named that as Don Bluth felt the name was too foreign. The nickname "Filly" which Tony gives Fievel was a compromise between the two.

I'm glad he got what he wanted, even though he had to compromise a bit. In Spain the name Fievel is in the title and in the titles for all the sequels, so I always think of him as Fievel and not as Filly.

There actually is an animated movie about Joseph in the works at STX



https://www.google.se/amp/s/variety.com ... 17946/amp/

I didn't know that, thanks for telling us, DisneyFan97! I hope too it hasn't been cancelled.

[JeanGreyForever]

I'm pretty sure they did exist then (look at Oliver Twist which reeks of anti-Semitism) but they were considered undesirables and heavily mistreated.

I apologize

The Victorian era of England was sadly not as pleasant a place as we like to think now and Dickens' books like Oliver Twist are a reminder of all that was really going on in that era.

I even heard that Spielberg had to really fight for Fievel to be named that as Don Bluth felt the name was too foreign. The nickname "Filly" which Tony gives Fievel was a compromise between the two.

I'm glad he got what he wanted, even though he had to compromise a bit. In Spain the name Fievel is in the title and in the titles for all the sequels, so I always think of him as Fievel and not as Filly.

Yeah, I honestly don't remember the Filly nickname much if at all and I doubt other people do either.