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castleinthesky wrote:
Timon/Pumba fan wrote: Ummm, no he didn't! In fact, unless we saw different movies, there were NO fart jokes in Chicken Little!
I might be mistaken, it could have been burps. However there really isn't a difference.

He belches. My son LOVES that part.

Even though my husband and son saw the movie in the theater when it first came out, I only saw it for the first time this year--and, as I've said on other threads here before, I love it! There are so many cute characters (Runt is my son's favorite, and my LEAST favorite--a little TOO dorky--but he does have his funny moments and Steve Zahn did a great job with his voice), and in addition to the main characters, the background characters are really cute ( <3 Morkubine Porcupine!!!!!!), and so are the settings. I love the houses and the cars, especially the fish cars that have bowls for them to sit in!

The soundtrack is great too. That REM song always has me singing along. And does anyone know offhand if there's a longer version of Five for Fighting's version of "All I Know"? I remember Art Garfunkel's version in the '70s, and it had a bridge and another verse that aren't in the 5fF version in the movie.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
"Chicken Little" is the most underrated film in the Disney cannon. Now is it the best film to be frequently underrated? No. "Treasure Planet" and "Brother Bear," to name a couple, are better. However, I think it gets nailed even harder than these two. (Well, OK, "Treasure Planet" isn't nailed so much as just unknown. I don't know why people dislike "Brother Bear," but it seems to be pretty unpopular around these parts).
It's a good movie! It's got a lot of Vintage Goofy elements in design and comedy, but with a bit more modern flair. It just works.
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I think my son had a read-along of "Treasure Planet"; it may still be around here somewhere. I haven't seen it, but a friend of mine really liked it.
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Laura wrote:I think my son had a read-along of "Treasure Planet"; it may still be around here somewhere. I haven't seen it, but a friend of mine really liked it.
I really love that movie. Just check out the avatar. :)
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This movie goes hand to hand with Home on the Range as the worst Disney Classic.

-The movie is NOT funny at all. Didn´t laugh a single time.

-The Indiana Jones movie in the theater? What was up with that? Had they made their version of it fine. But why have a human movie there?

-The father-son relationship. Yes, Chicken Little´s father is AWFUL. And it could have been fixed easily. Had they shown that he acted like that because something happened prior or that because of that first event he was worried about how his son would have been treated by the society then it would have make sense. But it wasn´t the case. He was cruel for the sake of being cruel.

-The pop songs.

Yes, it was their DreamWorks attempt at a movie. Even including the characters singing in the credits. To make the statement they were copying them.
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Sorry if this makes anyone angry :oops: , but i actually like Home on The Rane. It's a 7 ou 10 movie for me. I don't like this movie how ever :x :down:
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I didn't like Home on the Range, but I didn't hate it as well. Chicken Little, on the other hand, was a film full of hate. This is the lowest Disney has come, that they make such a cynical, mean spirited film like that. I still cannot believe that this film stands together with the likes of films such as the ones in the Signature Collection. Despicable.
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Hm. I hated Home on the Range more than this film. Oh, don't worry, I know, I know in many ways Home on the Range is classier than Chicken Little. But is it because it's hand-drawn? Is it because it has Alan Menken music? Because I actually liked the message of learning to act more loving towards your children and the bond between the father and son in Chicken Little.
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Well, since this thread is up, I could pretty much cite my opinion about this movie. Chicken Little has it's enjoyable moments, but is overall pretty awful as a whole. The pacing is too frenetic and blatant, the sappy moments are despicably sappy and overall there are plenty of god awful moments (the flashback moment, Runt and most of the scenes involving the aliens). The conflict between Buck Cluck and his son has been criticized and rightfully so, but he's such a awkwardly bad character that you'll just cringe by his conflict.
Chicken Little had a lot of weight on it's shoulders. For being the first CGI feature ever from Disney (besides Dinosaur) and it could've been perfectly passable on it's own right. But unfortuantely it truly lives up to it's staple of being truly awful. What I do like about this movie, though, are the pop culture references, which were quite well done (in my opinion) and Abby, who's a likable character. But otherwise this movie is a mess.
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I couldn't stand the father and while I didn't like Foxy Loxy at all, she has one of the most disturbing endings of any character in any Disney film.
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Oh my god... I totally forgot about what they did to her... I get that she was a bully, but she was also just a kid. It was so disturbing.
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I don't remember what was done to Foxy Loxy and what was so horrible.
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Her personality was changed into a that flower power airhead or something due to being exposed to alien technology, and when they wanted to change her back, Runt of the Litter stopped them, saying he preferred her like that, so she ended up being stuck with her new personality.
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Rumpelstiltskin wrote:Her personality was changed into a that flower power airhead or something due to being exposed to alien technology, and when they wanted to change her back, Runt of the Litter stopped them, saying he preferred her like that, so she ended up being stuck with her new personality.
Oh that is horrible! Funny, but horrible. They've done un-consented personality changes that stay permanent in comedic entertainment before and after and they are taken humorously. By the way, flower power refers to hippies being about peace, not what Foxy Loxy had. Foxy Loxy changed more to a southern belle kind of perosnality if I remember correctly.
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OK. Either way, if I remember correctly, she and Runt of the Litter became a pair as well (no wonder he wanted to keep her that way). Reminds me a bit of The Stepford Wives.
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If I am wrong about the Southern belle thing, someone please correct me, but it's funny that you say what happened to her was a Stepford Wives situation! I agree! I saw the remake of Stepford Wives first, and really liked it, and then I saw the original and that movie is so scary, and rather affecting.
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Rumpelstiltskin wrote:OK. Either way, if I remember correctly, she and Runt of the Litter became a pair as well (no wonder he wanted to keep her that way). Reminds me a bit of The Stepford Wives.
I never consciously made that connection when I first watched it but that's basically what happened here. Frightening.
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An article with some interesting info:

https://collider.com/disney-chicken-lit ... explained/
The original concept for Chicken Little (to be voiced by Oscar-winner Holly Hunter) was about her relationship with her father (Garry Marshall). She was a very nervous, anxious little kid who was prone to panic attacks and overreacting. It was an acorn but in her mind it was the sky and it caused this big catastrophe in the town. Chicken Little wanted to make her dad proud, so she signed herself up for a summer camp to build her confidence. “When she went there, the really friendly sheep counselors had been abducted and wolves-in-sheep-clothing had taken over with the very silly idea to plump the kids up to cook them at the end for a big wolf feast. And she ends up saving the day. This version had been developed for a couple of years (“It had been boarded and finished,” with Penn Gillette cast as the lead wolf) when Michael Eisner, former Chairman and CEO of Disney, made a request … or rather, a demand.

“Michael Eisner just said, ‘I don’t want it to be a girl, I want it to be a boy.’”

Then Thomas Schumacher, who had been with Walt Disney Animation since 1990 and helped steer it through its creative rebirth (eventually becoming President of what was then known as Walt Disney Feature Animation in 1999), left to focus on Disney Theatrical Group. In his place, the well-liked Schumacher installed David Stainton, who had been with Disney since 1989 and served in a variety of positions at different business units.

Stainton made sweeping changes, including shuttering the studio’s Florida satellite studio (where such hits as Lilo & Stitch and Brother Bear had been produced) and focusing the studio exclusively on computer animation. And if Eisner’s demand that the lead character be swapped from a girl to a boy had paused the project, Stainton’s response led to a complete creative, from-the-ground-up overhaul.

“We had a screening for Eisner and it was David Stainton’s first day or second day. It’s the Hollywood thing where here he comes and he’s overseeing the movie and he has nothing invested in it,” Fullmer remembered. “So he has to burn it and start over in his vision. He was quite happy to describe it as a ‘train wreck.’ The air just went out of my sails. It was not a train wreck. It had a lot of charm to it.”

That’s when Dindal thought back to an earlier iteration of the story, which focused on Chicken Little and a group of misfit animals who lived on a farm in the middle of the country. Aliens touched down in that remote area to begin their conquest of earth and she and the other animals thwart that. And there was no evidence. Since it happened in a remote location, the world would never know.

Dindal wound up combining the science fiction concept from this early idea with some of the character stuff from the wolf/summer camp version, into a new concept.

While it was briefly envisioned as a traditional animated feature, it quickly moved over to computer animation. It was just the sign of the times. “All of these little kids … you look at commercials that little kids watch and they’re very sophisticated 3D things, they look at a 2D animated thing instead of that nostalgic charm they look at it like an old black-and-white movie that needs to be colorized.”

Executive interference was constant. “David Stainton had some bad ideas. I’ll just leave it at that,” Fullmer remarked. Dindal remembered a disastrous screening where they got 75 notes from the studio afterwards. “It was overwhelming. But at the same time I remember going, ‘Okay let’s go through them.’ We never reached a point when we said, ‘Enough already,’” Dindal said.

Additionally, towards the end of production, they were forced to convert the movie to 3D. “We started that 11 months from the release. I totally forgot about that. That was one more thing. It was like, hey, let’s throw 3D into it. Nothing had been planned for that because there wasn’t even 3D at the start of that.”

Disney purchased Pixar outright in January 2006. Stainton, the third president of Walt Disney Animation in as many years, was gone. And so were Dindal, who left for live-action projects at Paramount (that were ultimately never produced) and Fullmer, who got worn down by the internal politics. “At some point it dons on you that your dream when you were looking out the window in sixth grade was not to attend a lot of boring meetings where people yell at each other.”

As for Dindal, you get the feeling that, despite him being relentlessly upbeat and positive, the loss of that original version of the film still haunts him. “I think, Oh that version … Then I’m reconnected with what I’m thinking at the time. And you’re thinking how that version would have turned out. If we had stuck with that instead of this. If we had pushed Eisner and said, It has to be a girl,’ it could have been killed,” Dindal. “With this, I wish I could see an alternate reality, what that would have been like. That’s mostly it.”
The article also has some info about Rapunzel. Didn't know the animation was supposed to look like it was made of brush strokes:
On April 4, 2003, Keane gathered a group of animators into a third-floor conference room and conducted a seminar called “The Best of Both Worlds.” He promised great things; an artistic synthesis of the two aesthetics, and pointed to features like his own Rapunzel Unbraided (which was using a program to approximate brush strokes) and American Dog, which appropriated the style of artists like Edward Hopper.
Makes one wonder what Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Rapunzel and American Dog would have ended up like if it wasn't for all the chaos and interfering back then.
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^ Very cool article, thanks for posting!
So he had the animators from each discipline train each other. “We paired people up and they cross-trained each other. I thought it was an amazing success from that standpoint – that we did that much cross-training and got so much figured out and got a movie done at the same time,” Fullmer said.
I think this is super-neat.
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Anytime. Yes, Disney had its own learning curve to follow, and had more resources than Pixar to create the required tools. An article that goes into details about all the technology that was developed for the movie (mostly technical stuff): https://www.cgw.com/Publications/CGW/20 ... Limit.aspx
Also nice to see that those who worked on Dinosaur were still useful for the studio, even after they shut down Scret Lab.

And about David Stainton shutting down the Florida studio; I'm just glad that Lilo & Stitch was completed before the doors closed a couple of years later. Partly because Thomas Schumacher was still in charge, and partly because its remote location made interference from the studio bosses difficult, and because the main focus was on Treasure Planet in those days, Chris Sanders had mostly free hands. The movie would have been impossible to make at a later point (and if it had been greenlighted, they would most likely insisted that it had to be computer animated).
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