taei wrote:JeanGreyForever wrote:https://www.cinemablend.com/news/248554 ... evelopment
It's really interesting that apparently the only scene that was in every draft of the film was the scene of Elsa braving the waters and confronting the nokk. I remember how confusing that scene was in the teaser for everybody when it was released a few months ago so I really liked the payoff of seeing it on the big screen with context.
You know, that's interesting, because I thought the scene was a mess in the movie.
It had a weird transition and seemed very random, Elsa just randomly made it all the way to the sea and stood there... Why did she think she could run straight into it? why didn't she build herself a giant boat? Then the nokk suddenly appeared and she fought with him, the scene which probably lasted more than 2 minutes was actually just 2 minutes. They would cut from one thing to another.. I kind of get making it shorter, thats the one scene all the kids in both of my showings were scared of.. but the transitions and the quick cuts really disrupted the flow of the movie.
I also feel like it was ridiculous trying to pass off the Northulda as POC considering the voice cast, t
hen skin tone of Iduna when she was a kid compared to her adult one.
Evan Rachel Wood, Jason Ritter, Martha Plimpton, Rachel Mathews, and Alan Tudyk are all white.. Yet they voice POC characters? Amazing considering how much emphasis Disney put on Moana's cast and their recent casting of the live action Ariel.
I wonder, when do we stop tagging spoilers?
It was quite a jump cut that Elsa ends up on the shore all of a sudden. She did try to make a bridge but I guess because of the waves, she felt it would be easier to make a bridge from climbing the top of the wave, otherwise if she did it at ground level, the waves would crush the bridge.
That's a good point that the POC characters don't even have POC actors. I think a lot of things that are considered revolutionary right now about Frozen will not age well in the future, especially on themes of gender and race. There's definitely a lot of feminist themes in the two films but they aren't nearly as perfect or progressive as they're made out to be and it seems like because the first film was criticized for not having any POC characters living in Arendelle, they made extra efforts to show black and brown people as citizens this time around.
nomad2010 wrote:farerb wrote:I don't think Elsa was supposed to die permanently. Disney would have never taken that risk. I also don't think they have a third film planned right now, I'm sure there will be one, but I don't think they mapoed the details. I also think that Evil/Morally Ambiguous Elsa is something that they will never do. Disney don't take risks anymore.
From everything I’ve read about those screenings, she was dead but they showed hints she could come back in a third movie somehow.
Also when I say evil, I mean something magical corrupts her and Anna would have to save her from it. Seeing her turned villain not by choice, which is the only they they’d do it. And with a third film, I think they could take a risk like that. But at this point I don’t see the need for any more story in this world. It will just end up being a never ending “let’s answer this question we accidentally made or this plot hole we didn’t intend to create” instead of something cohesive.
Yeah, I can't see Disney ever making Elsa into a villain either, even if it's because she's corrupted from an outside influence. That would feel a bit too much like the first film. Not to mention, we've seen how Maleficent, an actual villain, was rendered in live-action and in two separate films, Disney chickened out from making her evil. No way they do that with a cash cow like Elsa whose reputation they want to be pristine.
I wish there was a way we could see the screening ending. I find it more believable that Elsa would die but then come back to life by transcending into a higher power, the fifth spirit, making her beyond human. This would also explain why Elsa and Anna have to be separated now. The idea that Elsa would die from being frozen and that was the last we ever saw of her in the film seems bizarre to me especially since a lot of people still don't understand why she froze in the first place.