Frozen II

[Farerb]

Iduna summoned the wind to take Agnar and put him in the carriage.
There were several things that weren't explained. I didn't have a problem with their speration not being emotional even though it's completely OOC for Anna, she was basically "LOL Bye".
However they still haven't explained WHY did she leave Arendelle. They didn't portray Elsa as someone who feels she doesn't belong there. She just leaves because Honeymaren or the spirits said so. No explanation was given.
Another thing that wasn't explained was why Elsa was frozen. I know there's that warning in the lullaby, but again -why it's like that? Also drowning is not the same as freezing.

[Silvershade]

While I enjoyed the movie, and especially the Elsa, I still have one question:
I get she received her powers as a gift from Iduna's sacrifice if that's the how, but I am confused over the why: Why does Elsa's power make her as the fifth elemental spirit? If all the spirits are representative of the classic elements, technically that makes Elsa a snow/ice spirit, but why is that separate from water? I'm surprised they didn't address the similarities between ice and water, and I thought for sure she was meant to be related to the water spirit somehow. What is she then? Is her element supposed to be "bridge" because glaciers connect land masses and water?

[Clindor]

Ending: When was "Snow Queen" mentioned? I just heard her about being the Fifth Spirit and that's it.

I don’t remember hearing that either.
What a missed opportunity though ^^

[thedisneyspirit]

I dunno, the mother still looking incredibly white and pale compared to the rest of the tribe who look more indigenous feels like a lazy retcon. Like Disney really wanted to connect the very white Frozen with the race crowd, but didn't want to go further.There's just something insidious about Disney promoting diversity and inclusivity with very white passing characters like Honey Lemon, the Hamada brothers, and nowAnna and Elsa.

[JeanGreyForever]

Finally saw the film and I really loved it! Maybe even moreso than the first film but like the first one, it has its problematic elements and plotholes. I'm not sure why it's so hard to tighten up the stories for the Frozen films.

I can easily say that Elsa fans will be more than pleased with her role in this film. She finally got the spotlight and all the moments that fans wanted to see in the first film. Her transformation at the end was glorious to watch and was the clear showstopping scene of the film!They did a good job of balancing out Anna's role in comparison even if I found her pretty irritating at times in the film, and even Elsa seemed to think that. I'm glad Anna didn't hog screentime like she did in the first film.

Olaf was okay but I didn't find his jokes very funny this time around and I didn't quite care much for his "storyline" of questioning the world and how he'll understand everything when he's older. Kristoff's role was a joke and he really felt like the third wheel next to Elsa and Anna (unlike Olaf who gels far better with the sisters and their dynamic). It was obvious they didn't know what to do with him so they saddled him with the proposal storyline which was all the character was fixated on. I'm glad by the second half of the film, he's practically removed from the story because the few meandering moments with him in the first half were still too much.

None of the new characters really leave any impact though beyond the spirits. The songs were decent but nothing compared to the first film's music, however I did appreciate how they were spread out more evenly this time around. My personal favorites were Into the Unknown, Show Yourself, and Lost in the Woods. I didn't expect to like the latter but I actually really liked Kristoff's song. Anna's song at the end was pretty underwhelming though and Olaf's song felt like filler. The opening song at Arendelle was just okay but nothing like the traditional Broadway opening songs from the 90s like Belle or The Bells of Notre Dame. I'll also say that the songs, especially the three I liked, relied heavily on their visuals and won't have the same effect from just listening to them.

Ending: When was "Snow Queen" mentioned? I just heard her about being the Fifth Spirit and that's it. I think Anna and Elsa's separation was handled fine. It wasn't supposed to be emotional because Elsa comes whenever she wants. I don't know why Elsa wasn't right at the coronation though. Glad she ends up going at the last second.
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Actually at the end of the film, she is riding to Atahollan or whatever the frozen river is called, not Arendelle. She's not returning to Arendelle until Friday for charades like the note says. I'm assuming that this ending made more sense in one of the original plans where Elsa would be forced to remain in the Enchanted Forest forever and couldn't be reunited with Anna for whatever reason. They must have liked the ending shot of the film being her riding triumphant so they kept it even after altering the ending. Why she couldn't attend the coronation I don't know though.

Iduna summoned the wind to take Agnar and put him in the carriage.
There were several things that weren't explained. I didn't have a problem with their speration not being emotional even though it's completely OOC for Anna, she was basically "LOL Bye".
However they still haven't explained WHY did she leave Arendelle. They didn't portray Elsa as someone who feels she doesn't belong there. She just leaves because Honeymaren or the spirits said so. No explanation was given.
Another thing that wasn't explained was why Elsa was frozen. I know there's that warning in the lullaby, but again -why it's like that? Also drowning is not the same as freezing.

I think Anna's just so happy that Elsa is alive again so she's willing to somewhat part with her since before she thought she had lost her sister for good. I was expecting more from Elsa in the beginning of the film to show or indicate that she feels that she doesn't belong. We get snippets of that throughout the film but I felt something more substantial was necessary. There's really no reason why she has to stay behind either, unless the idea is that the four spirits will go out of wack if the fifth spirit leaves but that's never said either. I didn't get the frozen part either. If she had to briefly freeze to ascend into a higher being or the freezing was necessary for her to die (and then something else would bring her back) that would have made more sense than the ending we got.

While I enjoyed the movie, and especially the Elsa, I still have one question:
I get she received her powers as a gift from Iduna's sacrifice if that's the how, but I am confused over the why: Why does Elsa's power make her as the fifth elemental spirit? If all the spirits are representative of the classic elements, technically that makes Elsa a snow/ice spirit, but why is that separate from water? I'm surprised they didn't address the similarities between ice and water, and I thought for sure she was meant to be related to the water spirit somehow. What is she then? Is her element supposed to be "bridge" because glaciers connect land masses and water?

I didn't really understand this either. I figured that the fifth spirit would have powers over all the elements or something else entirely (like how in W.I.T.C.H., four of the girls have powers over the elements and the fifth guardian essentially has the power of energy and bestowing life through electricity). Elsa would be closer to the water spirit and there's nothing to explain why that is.

I dunno, the mother still looking incredibly white and pale compared to the rest of the tribe who look more indigenous feels like a lazy retcon. Like Disney really wanted to connect the very white Frozen with the race crowd, but didn't want to go further.There's just something insidious about Disney promoting diversity and inclusivity with very white passing characters like Honey Lemon, the Hamada brothers, and nowAnna and Elsa.

This definitely bothered me too. Pixar has changed the appearances of characters like Tony Rydinger and Bo Peep to suit their current films and they should have done something similar for Iduna. Especially since young Iduna looks nothing like the adult version (no wonder the sisters don't recognize her at first). It feels like Disney just wanted to be able to proudly proclaim that two of their most popular characters ever are in fact POC without putting in any of the work.

[Clindor]

This made me laugh so hard : https://www.instagram.com/p/B1MdRinhjzs ... 6eidndr8bh

[JeanGreyForever]

It's interesting how many Hans references there actually were. First during the charades game, then when Anna calls him her ex-boyfriend (more like ex-fiance, how convenient that Anna forgot that little detail), then during Olaf's recap of the first film, and finally after the Show Yourself song when Elsa breaks his frozen statue. I guess even when Kristoff tries to propose to Anna on the sleigh that has an indirect mention to Hans.

[bruno_wbt]

Idina Menzel just performed "Show Yourself" live at the Saks Fifth Avenue holiday window unveiling in New York City!


https://youtu.be/GNE1jn_nxQI

[Disney Duster]

I, too, wondered why Elsa wasn't at Anna's coronation. That is more important than charades! Also, I guess Elsa must be in the enchanted forest to keep the elements out of whack like JeanGreyForever said.

disneyprincess11, the Snow Queen was never mentioned, people on here were just talking about how she is thhe fifth spirit and hoping that would mean in this film Elsa would become the Snow Queen to connect more to the original fairy tale. Also, why did you need more reason than Iduna saving Agnarr for why Elsa has powers?

[JeanGreyForever]

Did anybody else notice that in the credits, they mention that the story was adapted from The Snow Queen fairytale? I can understand why they felt compelled to do that for the first Frozen but I'm surprised they carried that credit over for its sequel.

Agnarr also mentioned that as a youth, he was reading a new Danish author's works which I'm assuming is meant to be Hans Christian Anderson.

[Disney Duster]

Did anybody else notice that in the credits, they mention that the story was adapted from The Snow Queen fairytale? I can understand why they felt compelled to do that for the first Frozen but I'm surprised they carried that credit over for its sequel.

Agnarr also mentioned that as a youth, he was reading a new Danish author's works which I'm assuming is meant to be Hans Christian Anderson.

Didn't catch either thing! Cool!

[WillytheDino]

I saw it and I loved it. It really felt like a worthy sequel, not just a repeat of the same tale (like Mermaid II, Lion King II, etc). My husband said it felt like one big story together with the first one and that he hoped they would not make a third one, because it was great but enough.

One thing that I didn't see discussed here is the relationship between Elsa and Kristoff. I really like them as a couple and I think Disney really did a great job at portraying their relationship. I would say Aladdin/Jasmine and Rapunzel/Eugene are equally fleshed out as a couple, but they had a whole series to do that.
Kristoffs love for Anna made me go 'aaaaaaw' a couple times. Like when he picks her up after the rock monsters chase her and he just says: 'I'm here, what do you need?' Wow. Kristen Bell said in an interview that she really felt that. Also, at the end, when Anna apologizes, and he goes: 'my love is not fragile' (even though we know we had doubts --> his song), those are some great lines.

I ship them hard.

Also, that adult comment at the end: I prefer you in leather.

[DisneyFan97]

So i am right in assuming this movie has no villain at all ?

[unprincess]

^ the villain was grandpa, yep, a dead guy. They're using dead guys for villains now.


sooo I had just written up this big looong post about the movie(I finally saw it) and I accidentally stupidly clicked in the wrong place and lost it all. So yeah Im gonna cut this short b/c Im pissed off and tired:

-super nice visuals
-super comfy landscapes
-way too much DEEP LORE for a 90 something minute movie, should have been a series
-Nokk
-Bruni(salamander) too cute
-Elsa and Anna finale looks
-no Hans
-songs weren't as instantly memorable for me as the first film but I may have to listen to songs/watch the film again
-Iduna a Northhuldrian? pppffftt!!! pleeeassse!

[JeanGreyForever]

They should really consider a high-budget Frozen TV show for Disney Plus set during the three years between the two Frozen films. Although they wouldn't really be able to explore the lore in that era. I'm curious actually as to why they set this film three years after the first because it honestly feels more like it's just been a few months or a year at most after the original.

[D82]

Voice recording B-roll and sneak peek at the "Art of Frozen II" book (spoiler alert for both things).

[JeanGreyForever]

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/248554 ... evelopment
It's really interesting that apparently the only scene that was in every draft of the film was the scene of Elsa braving the waters and confronting the nokk. I remember how confusing that scene was in the teaser for everybody when it was released a few months ago so I really liked the payoff of seeing it on the big screen with context.

[Farerb]

So basically the way she wrote the script is exactly the same as she wrote the first Frozen.

[JeanGreyForever]

Yeah a lot of people have noted that despite all the years in development, this film feels as patched together as the first one. The fact that we know that Hans was a major character early on means that the script definitely went through numerous revisions, and the speculation that Elsa's fate was changed at the last minute (possibly sometime this summer) reminds me of how Elsa was changed from the villain to one of the co-protagonists just a few months before the first film's release.

[D82]

Did anybody else notice that in the credits, they mention that the story was adapted from The Snow Queen fairytale? I can understand why they felt compelled to do that for the first Frozen but I'm surprised they carried that credit over for its sequel.

Well, I think films usually give credit to the original source material even when it's a sequel and the story is mostly original, given that the characters and certain elements may still be based on it. By the way, what I noticed in the credits is that Byron Howard is an executive producer on the film. I didn't know that before.

Agnarr also mentioned that as a youth, he was reading a new Danish author's works which I'm assuming is meant to be Hans Christian Anderson.

Yes, I guess that's a tribute to Hans Christian Andersen.

More Jin Kim art!

Thanks for sharing! He made a bigger contribution to the film than I thought. Many of these poses have been used in posters and merchandise for the movie.

also Zavvi's releasing this set and oh is it ever nice!
https://us.zavvi.com/blu-ray/disney-s-f ... 70557.html

Yes, it's beautiful. Thanks for posting it!