Frozen II

[Disney's Divinity]

Hans with either of the sisters definitely would create a controversy considering he tried to murder both of them in the first film. He’s a murderer, so, yeah, duh that would be controversial to them give him a redemption story.

But I don’t agree at all that “progressives” would be upset if Elsa was given a male love interest. That's honestly one of the most ridiculous things I've read here. The character has never been confirmed as anything. If she was, then there might be controversy if they reversed course, but she wasn’t and pretending that would create a controversy is a ludicrous fabrication. Par for the course for this forum lately though, I know.

[unprincess]

^not all of course, but the ones on tumblr get reeeeally panicked and upset if there's any leak/rumor that might suggest Elsa could get a bf(you wont believe how many believe that she may really get a gf b/c Jen Lee said she wouldn't be against the idea in that clickbait interview earlier this year.)

Back in 2014, Santino Fontana said the writers wanted to redeem him in the sequel. Maybe the reason you mentioned is why they didn't move forward with the idea.

yeah, that was a looong time ago and right before the Me Too movement and Lassetergate got traction. While I dont really take Helsa seriously(the only reason I like Helsa is b/c the fan art's awesome lol!)I think a redemption could work if its well written and paced out. Hell Ive seen worst characters redeemed horribly in media aimed at adults(coughOUATcough) so why not.

[Disney's Divinity]

I’m sure there are tumblr crazies, but not significant enough for Disney to worry about. And I doubt they’d boycott the film the way that people who hate LGBT would if Elsa was given a female love interest. Hatred is a more powerful motivation.

I think that pairing Hans with Elsa or Anna now would've been controversial even if the MeToo movement didn't exist. I seriously doubt Jennifer Lee would ever have considered a story decision like that one even if this was the 1990's.

[Disney Duster]

But the writers said they wanted to redeem him. So it sounds like they did have a story to make him forgiven that Jennifer Lee approved.

Disney's Divinity doesn't believe murderers are redeemable. I believe anyone is. I piss him off every once in a while, not on purpose, but anyway, reading him lately, I find him rather smart. He doesn't care though.

[unprincess]

Im not even talking about Helsa or Hanna, which as I mentioned I dont really take seriously other than for just liking the fan art. Of course it would be pretty difficult to do a story like that and take it seriously. I meant just a redemption story line. Heck I don't even think its necessary for Elsa and Anna to forgive him(they have every right not to if its how they feel,) just a story where Hans comes to learn his beliefs, viewpoint of the world and his behavior has been wrong and they become sorta acquaintances/frenemies would be okay...but even a platonic relationship like that could be seen as toxic to some people these days. Its just when it comes to morals /values I often keep those things separate from film & tv. I am usually in agreement with the left, Liberal, progressive, lgbtq (Im asexual aromantic myself)etc... segment of society, trust me as someone who's grown up in a culture where machismo rules and the women are expected to shut up and accept it, Im all for the Me Too movement ...but I dont think it needs to carry over into every film and tv show I watch.

[Disney's Divinity]

My only point is I don't see how it relates to the MeToo movement whatsoever. I'm not asking the film to align with it because it has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't want Ariel to be friends with Ursula or Aladdin with Jafar either. That has nothing to do with toxic masculinity, sexual harassment, male-female power dynamics, etc. etc., but the fact that the former were nearly killed by the latter in each case. This is just taking a swipe at the MeToo movement apropos of nothing. You'll forgive me if I find your purported support of progressives and LGBT* hard to believe when you're equating those who are simply open and receptive towards the mere idea of diversity in Frozen to homophobes. The latter I could definitely see boycotting if Elsa received a female love interest. The former boycotting because she received a male love interest? Not so much.

* Not that it matters, but since you brought it up.

[disneyprincess11]

Before I respond to some of the comments:

Speaking of Prince Hans, congratulations to Santino Fontana for not only winning his first Tony, but for also expecting a baby girl with his wife this fall. The poor guy will not hear the end of how Daddy tries to kill her two favorite princesses!

[Disney Duster]

^ Omg lol

[JeanGreyForever]

I don't see Helsa as being out of the question. One of the biggest franchises in the world, Star Wars, has a huge focus on Reylo with this latest trilogy. Reylo can be considered as toxic as Helsa if not worse, but the entire trilogy has basically been built around it and more than likely, they'll end up together in some shape or form. If Disney can promote that and redeem Kylo Ren, then redeeming Hans shouldn't be out of the question.

[Sotiris]

The theatrical poster has been released. The theatrical trailer debuts tomorrow on Good Morning America. I like the ambiance of the poster but I'd prefer it if they used some new art for the sisters instead of clipart we've already seen on various tie-in merch. Also, Elsa smiling doesn't fit the mood of the piece, especially with Anna next to her being all serious.


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[Farerb]

I don't know.. something about it feels off. I like Frozen, but it never gave me the sense of an epic story like this poster is trying to convey. It feels weird...like imagine if they put Olaf there with his big dummy smile, the whole mood just breaks, and he's in the film after all, how much serious and epic can it get with Olaf in the mix? But maybe it just me...

[DisneyFan09]

I love the poster. I like the epic atmosphere with the forest covered in fog. Very tastefully done. It reminds me of the poster of the live action remake of Pete's Dragon.

but I'd prefer it if they used some new art for the sisters instead of clipart we've already seen on various tie-in merch for the sequel.

Agreed

Also, Elsa smiling doesn't fit the mood of the piece, especially with Anna next to her being all serious.

Well, to be fair, Elsa barely smiles. It's not a cheerful smile and a quite serious one.

According to AnimatedViews, the synopsis has been revealed as this: Why was Elsa born with magical powers? The answer is calling her and threatening her kingdom. Together with Anna, Kristoff, Olaf and Sven, she’ll set out on a dangerous but remarkable journey. In Frozen, Elsa feared her powers were too much for the world. In Frozen II, she must hope they are enough.. https://animatedviews.com/2019/new-froz ... -tomorrow/

[Candy-Bonita95]

I don't know.. something about it feels off. I like Frozen, but it never gave me the sense of an epic story like this poster is trying to convey. It feels weird...like imagine if they put Olaf there with his big dummy smile, the whole mood just breaks, and he's in the film, after all, how much serious and epic can it get with Olaf in the mix? But maybe it just me...

I agree with your sentiment for different reasons. Saccharine light-heartedness is a safe card in the animation world. That's why TV specials and direct-to-DVD sequels are so corny. Aside from that, I don't think Buck and Lee would want to portray Frozen 2 in the same fashion as the Snyder DC movies. It's not like Frozen was based on a graphic novel series thus with specific expectations from fans. Lee and Buck have many creative opportunities with the Frozen sequels because they are not tied to a property with prior history. Even Olaf's presence still doesn't hold much priority to the drama they create for Anna and Elsa. Are they going to have scenes with Olaf being Olaf? Yes. But does that necessarily make their promo for the film insincere? No

[Disney's Divinity]

I agree, DisneyFan09, it's more of a determined face that an "I'm so happy!" face.

Before I respond to some of the comments:

Speaking of Prince Hans, congratulations to Santino Fontana for not only winning his first Tony, but for also expecting a baby girl with his wife this fall. The poor guy will not hear the end of how Daddy tries to kill her two favorite princesses!

[unprincess]

Niiice! Im a sucker for atmospheric spooky forests. I agree though, I would have liked new art for the sisters...

If Disney can promote that and redeem Kylo Ren, then redeeming Hans shouldn't be out of the question.

yeah but Star Wars is aimed at an older audience(older child, preteen and teen) and a mostly male one too.

Frozen OTOH is aimed at younger(toddler to preteen) fan base, & very girl-centric and they might feel it could send their precious fragile little minds the wrong message. In that vein Ive noticed that while its OK for boys to play with villains toys and admire villains (look at how Vader/Ren & many Marvel villains are plastered all over boys stuff and toys,) Its not okay for girls to be into villains, especially male villains, very few toys and merch aimed at younger girls feature villains and if they do its usually the female villains. One of the most frustrating things about being a Hans fan is the absolute lack of toys and even adult merch made with him. Funko has made a million Frozen items but refuses to make any Hans figures. Disney Store has one doll, and somehow he slipped into that Disney Prince calendar... that's it. Its as if they feel boys are tough enough to enjoy villains while being capable of understanding they're still "bad" guys, but girls are too fragile and should only like pretty, happy things with no "conflict" or could get the wrong ideas. Pretty sexist I think.

My only point is I don't see how it relates to the MeToo movement whatsoever.

Hans is seen as a toxic male figure to many and shouldn't be given any chances, even if its well written or would make a good story. Many argue that if he gets a redemption story line in any sequel or future spin-off it would undermine the message of the first film and give young girls who watch it the wrong ideas.

This is just taking a swipe at the MeToo movement

Im not taking a swipe at it(I think its was about time!) but I dont like how it and the current PC movement is affecting the way some tv shows and films(and even songs) are being handled(or altered in the case of older films), that's all.

Im gonna try to cease from mentioning the Me Too movement from now on, since I see that what Ive said may have been taken the wrong way & I apologize for saying anything that might have been offensive to anyone.

That and Im here to enjoy myself b/c RL is stressful enough as it is for me, lol.

Speaking of Prince Hans, congratulations to Santino Fontana for not only winning his first Tony, but for also expecting a baby girl with his wife this fall. The poor guy will not hear the end of how Daddy tries to kill her two favorite princesses!

oh I didn't know this was last night! I would have liked to have seen it. Well double congrats to him! Thats awesome!

[DisneyFan09]

I agree, DisneyFan09, it's more of a determined face that an "I'm so happy!" face.

Thanks for agreeing Great minds think alike

[DisneyEra]

They've come a long way since the leak

[Musical Master]

Oh lord. I remember when that leak first appeared, I was laughing my butt off at "derpy Anna". Thank goodness the characters for the poster is actually pleasing to look at now.

[D82]

I love the poster, and the synopsis sounds quite intriguing. I'm really looking forward to watching the first full trailer.

[JeanGreyForever]

yeah but Star Wars is aimed at an older audience(older child, preteen and teen) and a mostly male one too.

Frozen OTOH is aimed at younger(toddler to preteen) fan base, & very girl-centric and they might feel it could send their precious fragile little minds the wrong message. In that vein Ive noticed that while its OK for boys to play with villains toys and admire villains (look at how Vader/Ren & many Marvel villains are plastered all over boys stuff and toys,) Its not okay for girls to be into villains, especially male villains, very few toys and merch aimed at younger girls feature villains and if they do its usually the female villains. One of the most frustrating things about being a Hans fan is the absolute lack of toys and even adult merch made with him. Funko has made a million Frozen items but refuses to make any Hans figures. Disney Store has one doll, and somehow he slipped into that Disney Prince calendar... that's it. Its as if they feel boys are tough enough to enjoy villains while being capable of understanding they're still "bad" guys, but girls are too fragile and should only like pretty, happy things with no "conflict" or could get the wrong ideas. Pretty sexist I think.

That's true, but this is the first trilogy to be lead by a female protagonist and there's been a lot of emphasis on marketing to young girls now with Rey. At the end of the day, Disney wants Rey to stand alongside their other heroines like Merida, Elsa, and Captain Marvel so I think they'd apply the same standards to all of them.

One problem with Disney's Villains is that the female ones are the most memorable ones and most of the merchandise features the female characters. Male villains like Jafar, Hades, and Scar do get merchandise from time to time but they're not nearly as prevalent as Maleficent, The Queen, Cruella, etc. A lot of their merchandise though is female-centric though, but Disney tends to promote the Villains for older kids past the Disney Princess age, such as tweens as evident by the Descendants line.

As for Hans, he's difficult to promote because he doesn't really fit into the villain lineup whereas appearance-wise, he's a natural fit for the princes. On top of that, I'm not even sure if Hans is a popular villain or not. A popular character, I think so, at least amongst the Tumblr crowd, but I don't think he's considered very well-done villain and generally his fans prefer him as a redeemable character rather than a straight-up villain so that could explain the lack of villain merchandise for him. The same is true for characters like King Candy. Also even Kristoff from Frozen barely gets merchandise. Asides from the occasional doll or figure, he's usually absent. I mean, I don't remember the Disney Store ever selling Kristoff costumes and accessories unlike Anna, Elsa, and Olaf. So Hans isn't alone in that manner. Disney is just really terrible selling merchandise to little boys that isn't Star Wars, Marvel, or Pixar, especially if it comes from one of their "princess" films (Frozen, Aladdin, BATB, Tangled, etc.)