Frozen II

[JeanGreyForever]

I hope Kristen Bell's comment refers to Hans as well. And more than a mere cameo like in Frozen Fever.

[Jules]

I'm sure that's also the reason why it took 6 years for Ralph Breaks the Internet.

Well, to be fair it seems to have been on Moore's mind even during production of the original WIR. I don't think it was started in haste just three years ago.

[unprincess]

I hope Kristen Bell's comment refers to Hans as well. And more than a mere cameo like in Frozen Fever.

At this point I really don't think he will be in the film. I just cant see where he'd fit in the narrative of this "looking for their parents/exploring Elsa's power origins" story line. Im sure its possible to place him there in a way that wouldn't feel shoehorned but I just dont think Lee and co are good enough writers to pull it off.

As for RBTI, I really feel the movie wouldn't have gotten the greenlight if they hadn't added the Princess /Disney advertising angle. Its the only explanation for why they relegated two main characters from the first film to glorified cameos.

[Candy-Bonita95]

from this http://en.businesstimes.cn/articles/109 ... d-duet.htm

Disney has not divulged the roles of Wood and Brown in the sequel. However, Wood confirmed that she had recorded a song with Bell.

In a podcast interview on the Armchair Expert hosted by Bell's husband, Dax Shepard, Wood confirmed that she's working on a duet with Bell. "Kristen thinks you're a real gangster singer," Shepard told his wife's co-star in the podcast.

Though she didn't specifically say it was for Frozen 2, there is no doubt that the actress was talking about the movie.

I look forward to the duet. It's not confirmed to be part of the movie as Wood and Bell are already singers outside of their involvement in Frozen 2

[D82]

^Thanks for the info. I think the song has to be for the movie.

[disneyprincess11]

Plus, the article reveals there is a Anna/Elsa duet about the parents. And further confirmation it's a search for their parents

[Tristy]

So what does this mean? The parents aren't actually dead and this is going to be another Disney metatextual response to the whole overplayed "Disney hates parents" complaint? Just knowing how Disney is these days, I wouldn't be surprised.

[unprincess]

I too hope they aren't still alive. But what I think might be happening is... I think they really want to try to set the record straight on the parents. There's a lot of fans who felt the parents were abusive, especially the father. Thing is, Disney doesn't like parents of their animated characters being portrayed as too flawed or downright evil, unless they're actually the main villain. All the evil parents in Disney animated films have been evil step-parent types like Gothel, Frollo, Tremaine, Evil Queen etc... who were not the biological parent.

along with that, focusing on the parents, specifically the mother, is sure to be a merch goldmine, similar to the first movie's focus on sisters. I think they're going to try to recreate that familial fan frenzy the first film had. Get ready for a bunch of mom /daughters doll sets, loving mom/daughter mugs, greeting cards, shirts, figurines and toys, mom and daughter costumes and cospalying... moms and daughters singing together the new songs on YouTube. They said they wanted to wait until they found "the right story that needed to be told." Its just possible that "right story" really means "right marketing angle."

[Disney Duster]

Wait, you said you hoped the parents weren't alive...but you think they will be alive?

[Kyle]

Same goes for me. I think they will bring them back, because where else can they even go with this one? But I wish they wouldn't essentially retcon the first.

[Disney's Divinity]

I can't say I was interested in a plot about their parents from the beginning. Their ancestry, maybe, but not in relation to their parents specifically. I really hope they're not alive. Perhaps they'll find their long lost brother, Tarzan...?

[Atlantica]

Not so much with Anna, but with Elsa, what her parents did to her is unforgivable. The mental abuse, intentionally or not, is dreadful to see when you actually think about it properly. A proper head scratcher. I always thought it would have made much more sense to kill off the parents way earlier in their lives, so that Elsa has developed into that character of her own accord rather then pretty much being made that way by her parents.

It would be interesting if this film is about parents, if Elsa is angry with them, and how they told her to 'conceal, don't feel, don't let it show' her entire life ? That might be a cool take on it.

[Mooky]

Maybe they set out on a journey to find their parents but only end up finding a younger sister and that's who Evan Rachel Wood is voicing. What's better than two princesses? Three princesses.

[RyGuy]

Not so much with Anna, but with Elsa, what her parents did to her is unforgivable. The mental abuse, intentionally or not, is dreadful to see when you actually think about it properly. A proper head scratcher. I always thought it would have made much more sense to kill off the parents way earlier in their lives, so that Elsa has developed into that character of her own accord rather then pretty much being made that way by her parents.

It would be interesting if this film is about parents, if Elsa is angry with them, and how they told her to 'conceal, don't feel, don't let it show' her entire life ? That might be a cool take on it.

Honestly I always felt as much pity for her parents as I did for her. Assuming this wasn't some sort of recessive family trait that they knew of, I think they were struggling to help her (the montage before and during Do You Want to Build a Snowman) shows them trying different ideas and even at one point trying to comfort her as she is freaking out. And honestly, after Grandpabbie's horrifying prophecy, who could blame them?

From firsthand experience, parenting a child with special needs (especially one that is uncommon) can involve quite a bit of guesswork and trial and error about how to best help your child reach full potential. When she's grown and looks back on her life, I certainly hope my daughter will have compassion and recognize that we tried and that we did the best we could with what little knowledge we had (there isn't a lot of understanding about this special need in the medical community at large) rather than just dismissing our efforts as "unforgiveable."

And tbh, I think if the sequel were to go that route and focus only on Elsa being able to tell her parents off (again assuming this wasn't a family trait where they had some experience they chose not to employ) it'd alienate a fair amount of the audience.

[unprincess]

I dont think they'll do that, just the contrary they'll probably do the opposite. Elsa & Anna might be angry/bitter about it but once they get the truth they'll realize that their parents did love both of them and did the best they could and were prepared to do even more if they hadn't been cut down by the storm.

Wait, you said you hoped the parents weren't alive...but you think they will be alive?

I don't know if they will be alive, they might find them alive(which I hope doesn't happen) or they might meet someone who knew them or can lead them to finding out more about them. Either way I think it will lead to them knowing more about them and specifically why they took the approach with Elsa's powers the way they did. This is were they're gonna try to "fix" them. My guess is they will find out they may have been influenced by someone else of authority (say other royals, or another magic wielder, perhaps Pabi again) in dealing with Elsa the way they did ,maybe putting pressure on them to suppress her power, that it would ruin them, their kingdom etc...If its not another magic user I can see a Weaselton type or heck maybe even the King of the Southern Isles himself(which would lay a nice hint at Hans own upbringing as well.) The bottom line is they're gonna try to use this film to lay the heat off the parents a bit to show that at the end they meant well, they were under a lot of pressure to go with the norms royals/elites were expected to adhere to at the time, got influenced by bad advice, that they did make mistakes but ultimately they were good and loving to their two daughters. Much better for the Frozen franchise than having endless speculation by fans of Elsa and Anna's mom and dad being abusive monsters.

[Disney Duster]

Oh. Ok. But what's to speculate? We saw that they weren't abusive monsters, that they just were unintentially bad parents.

[Candy-Bonita95]

Oh. Ok. But what's to speculate? We saw that they weren't abusive monsters, that they just were unintentionally bad parents.

You have a point. Although finding their parents alive is probable, there's not much to explore regarding them as characters themselves. It's not cinematic. My speculation is that one parent is related to the hidden-folk, but the hidden-folk have discord with the winter hidden folk. So maybe the parents went over to the hidden-folk land for diplomatic reasons. I somewhat imagine the villain singing the hook "Beware the frozen heart," as he makes a heart-shaped fire ring around Elsa. I mean, why would Elsa have a heart fire-ring unless someone is being vindictive to her. The defensive move wouldn't be a fire ring. It would've been a fire shield.

I mean, this is interesting story-telling. It elevates the themes of family discord to into discord among ethnicities/ races, but it's technically more internalized rather than a power dichotomy in Pocahontas narratives (Yes, I'm calling that after we had Cameron's Avatar) It's far better than Elsa, Anna and the parents going around in circles saying, "Why did you do this?" "Why did you do that?"

[Disney Duster]

I, too, think it will be more about what the parents were going on a trip for and possibly their relationship to the hidden folk rather than something that calls them out as parents.

[Atlantica]

I get where you are coming from RyGuy, totally and utterly.

I don't think I explained myself properly; it was more a dig at the writers not giving enough screen time to their parents and how they handled what happened. I appreciate what you are saying, and the situation that you are in. My heart goes out to you; I wasn't meaning what I said as a slight at all.

My grievance is that yet again the important child / parent relationship is totally glossed over apart from a few short sharp scenes. Randomly, that's why I love the Tangled series so much; it develops Rapunzel's relationship with her mum and dad beautifully. I think more so than in any other Disney film or show has ?

[Disney's Divinity]

Randomly, that's why I love the Tangled series so much; it develops Rapunzel's relationship with her mum and dad beautifully. I think more so than in any other Disney film or show has ?

Well, not more than The Little Mermaid? Although I guess you might be including the sisters who get little attention.

I agree with you, RyGuy. I do think with what little we see of the parents, that they were sympathetic. I thought they did a good job showing how much the parents wanted to help and protect both their daughters at the same time, while also clearly being freaked out by Elsa's powers themselves, too. I have little interest in seeing more of the parents for that reason, because I've never seen them as bad parents. I would be more interested in seeing the people of Arendelle's reaction to Elsa as the Queen. If the parents were that terrified, it's a shame we don't see much reaction from the people after the climactic scene where Anna is frozen. Hopefully we get a little of that in the sequel. I doubt people's fear of what she is would go away entirely and so easily.