Frozen II

[JeanGreyForever]

I watched the teaser a few more times and I feel there's something off about it like it doesn't give me "Frozen" vibes, it feels more like it belongs to a different world and the Frozen characters were tacked on it. Does anybody feel the same or is it just me?

Maybe its the mysterious, mystical vibes because while that opens up the first movie in the prologue, it is also quickly abandoned. Even when we return to the trolls, they're basically just used for misguided advice and comic relief so they lose that mystical aura.

[unprincess]

Those geographical features are specific to Scandinavian coasts. But another Youtuber, The Theorizer, assumes that there are other element benders who might have kidnapped Elsa's parents, and now those benders have trapped Elsa on that island.

true, Ive read that the island could be Iceland which is north but separate from the Scandinavian landmass.



Disney Duster,

By the way, Cinderella's gowns all reflect the Victorian period and just share commonalities with the 1950's. Her silver ballgown is a combination of 1860's skirt with 1880's everything else.

Gah! I got her blue gown confused with her wedding dress, which is what screams 1950s to me! The blue dress with the peplums, yes that's very 1800s.

as for the film not feeling like a Frozen film, some have complained that the exaggerated doll-like designs of Anna & Elsa don't mesh well with the more realistic backgrounds being used here, that they should've stylized the backgrounds more like the first film. But I don't think its the backgrounds themselves, but more that they're going for a moodier aesthetic and atmosphere. Perhaps I can see that clash of styles with the ocean/dark rocks scenes somewhat, but the forest they're exploring still looks like something that could exist in their world.

[Kyle]

I see this as a misdirect trailer, kinda like the dramatic cars 3 trailer, it has a tone that doesn't represent the movie at all.

[Disney Duster]

Disney Duster,

By the way, Cinderella's gowns all reflect the Victorian period and just share commonalities with the 1950's. Her silver ballgown is a combination of 1860's skirt with 1880's everything else.

Gah! I got her blue gown confused with her wedding dress, which is what screams 1950s to me! The blue dress with the peplums, yes that's very 1800s.

Oh! Well Frock Flicks said that her wedding gown is vaguely Victorian, but yes it is also very 1950's. It is both. By the way, forgot to say but also the last page in the Cinderella Discussion reveals Cinderella's ballgown "peplum" is really a bustle. But women wore nothing like pants in the 1800's, so Frozen II I'm looking at you!

[Farerb]

I guess it's the tone that's different, but I just can't see the Frozen characters fit into that tone, especially Olaf.

[JeanGreyForever]

Oh! Well Frock Flicks said that her wedding gown is vaguely Victorian, but yes it is also very 1950's. It is both. By the way, forgot to say but also the last page in the Cinderella Discussion reveals Cinderella's ballgown "peplum" is really a bustle. But women wore nothing like pants in the 1800's, so Frozen II I'm looking at you!

I'm glad we have finally confirmed that Cinderella has a bustle. That wipes away years of head canon lol and what little fashion knowledge I had. Even outside of Frock Flicks, I've usually read that Cinderella's wedding gown was highly similar to what women wore in the 1950s. I'm not sure if Grace Kelly's dress was based off of Cinderella's or vice-versa.

I guess it's the tone that's different, but I just can't see the Frozen characters fit into that tone, especially Olaf.

Maybe when we see a new trailer, we'll see how this new environment works with the plot of the story. Right now, I get Brave vibes from the teaser since Brave had something similar.

[Disney Duster]

I also am so glad to know that it is a bustle. Finally a word to call the poofs at her side! Since Grace Kelly was married in 1956, her (gorgeous!) wedding dress could have been modeled after Cinderella's, but I doubt it.

[JeanGreyForever]

Speaking of princess fashions, I've found this as well. I don't remember if this has been posted before but it mentions FrockFlicks as well. So far they've only done Snow White and Cinderella, but the Victorian elements in Cinderella would be similar to the Frozen sisters' era.
http://www.thefashionhistorian.com/2014 ... isney.html

[justcuttinhair]

Interesting discussion about the costumes (clothing) from the various Disney animated films. Or is tough to determine a specific time period or place in history due to many anachronistic details throughout the canon. Personally I would like to think that it adds to the appeal of the films that they are set in their own world. Cinderella is a great example because the overall aesthetic was inspired by the Rococo style yet we see Victorian, Imperial and modern (1950’s)influences throughout. The Little Mermaid is another example that is designed anachronistically. I love to see other fans who ponder such things

[JeanGreyForever]

Interesting discussion about the costumes (clothing) from the various Disney animated films. Or is tough to determine a specific time period or place in history due to many anachronistic details throughout the canon. Personally I would like to think that it adds to the appeal of the films that they are set in their own world. Cinderella is a great example because the overall aesthetic was inspired by the Rococo style yet we see Victorian, Imperial and modern (1950’s)influences throughout. The Little Mermaid is another example that is designed anachronistically. I love to see other fans who ponder such things

For Cinderella, I believe it was mainly the architecture that was Rococo inspired, particularly the palace. I guess the idea was to create a world where the French monarchy continued to exist so they would still have the opulent palaces of old but with the costuming of the Victorian era to fit the time period they wanted.

TLM is a hodgepodge of elements and the only Disney film worse than that is probably Tangled. Even looking beyond all the 80s influences that make up most of Ariel's wardrobe, there's her dinner gown which is either from the 1830s or late Victorian era. Yet, concept art shows Ariel in a 1700s style gown while Eric used to have a ponytail which was more in fashion during the 1700s. Then Grimsby is dressed in Georgian attire which seems to match the era they were originally going for. But the final version of Eric has epaulets in his wedding outfit, which usually are associated with the Victorian era but he's got a tailcoat too like in the 1700s and very early 1800s. Then the background characters on Eric's ship look like they're styled in medieval wear like Sleeping Beauty rejects.

Eric's kingdom is supposed to be Mediterranean, hence the palm trees and grape vines, but there's a Punch and Judy show, a French chef, an English butler, an Italian/Spanish maid, French bread, etc. There's even a windmill in one scene while there's an onion dome in another. The names don't exactly illuminate matters either between Eric, Carlotta, and even Gertrude. And that's discounting all the underwater references.

[Disney Duster]

Yes justcuttinheair, when I was little I wanted Disney films to be set in real places and times so it was closer to my favorite stories actually being real (I always had hope they really happened!), but now that I'm older I appreciate when they are in "fairy tale" time. But I always still like the realism, so, yeah like you and JeanGreyForever said I like that Cinderella is both 18th and late 19th century. I think JeanGrey hit the nail on the head about why Cinderella is rococo and also Victorian. I actually emailed a guy who works for Disney who said they had even more rococo detail in the Prince's palace (which was originally going to be blue till they decided Cinderella's dress would look blue in some scenes at the ball), but they had to scale it back because it was too detailed! I asked to see the early art for Cinderella and he said he had in boxes and would get to it. Been forever. I should email him again, lol.

JeanGrey, thanks for all the detail about The Little Mermaid! I wish that one was just plain 19th century when the original fairy tale was written. But I like the Meditteranean thing.

[JeanGreyForever]

Yes justcuttinheair, when I was little I wanted Disney films to be set in real places and times so it was closer to my favorite stories actually being real (I always had hope they really happened!), but now that I'm older I appreciate when they are in "fairy tale" time. But I always still like the realism, so, yeah like you and JeanGreyForever said I like that Cinderella is both 18th and late 19th century. I think JeanGrey hit the nail on the head about why Cinderella is rococo and also Victorian. I actually emailed a guy who works for Disney who said they had even more rococo detail in the Prince's palace (which was originally going to be blue till they decided Cinderella's dress would look blue in some scenes at the ball), but they had to scale it back because it was too detailed! I asked to see the early art for Cinderella and he said he had in boxes and would get to it. Been forever. I should email him again, lol.

JeanGrey, thanks for all the detail about The Little Mermaid! I wish that one was just plain 19th century when the original fairy tale was written. But I like the Meditteranean thing.

Wow, that's so cool that you have a contact at Disney and that he promised to find more art for you. You should totally email him again! I'm glad they didn't make the palace blue though. I like how it is white, like it is made out of marble, but shines blue in the night. Also like Cinderella's dress.

To be fair, the time period is not evident even in the original fairy tale, and most people think the Disney film is set in the 1800s anyway, with only some people saying 1700s or 1900s. The setting in the fairy tale is also more explicitly Mediterranean with what appears to be Ottoman-ruled Greece or some Ottoman country in general. The palace looks like a Greek temple almost with white marble steps and pillars by the sea, while the prince is described with black eyes (and I think black hair as well, but I can't remember). Not to mention the talk about the mermaid dancing alongside slaves dressed in gold and silk. Edmund Dulac's illustrations for TLM also have some sort of Turkish setting with the prince wearing a turban.

[Disney Duster]

Oh, I actually meant the inside of the castle was blue, and not pink. It is true the actual castle is white, which is so lovely and very "fairy tale heaven".

It's so cool you know all the detail about where the original The Little Mermaid fairy tale was set. I guess the Disney movie should have been set in Greece, unless those details you said could be for other Meditteranean places? I hope for the live-action film they do it right. I feel only Maleficent had bad production design and costumes.

[REINIER]

I must say the overall look thusfar has me more than intrigued! Kinda looking forward to this one

[JeanGreyForever]

Oh, I actually meant the inside of the castle was blue, and not pink. It is true the actual castle is white, which is so lovely and very "fairy tale heaven".

It's so cool you know all the detail about where the original The Little Mermaid fairy tale was set. I guess the Disney movie should have been set in Greece, unless those details you said could be for other Meditteranean places? I hope for the live-action film they do it right. I feel only Maleficent had bad production design and costumes.

Oh ok. I actually really like the pink for the interiors so I'm glad they didn't get rid of that. Blue on the insides as well would have been way too much blue.

I read the fairy tale again recently that's why I remember those things haha. I'm assuming that the setting could have been any other Mediterranean place as well, probably one ruled by the Ottomans though.

Maleficent was terrible in every way, costumes and sets too. I really want a do-over with a live-action Sleeping Beauty. But I think we're more likely to get a live-action Frozen before that.

[Disney Duster]

...I actually really like the pink for the interiors so I'm glad they didn't get rid of that. Blue on the insides as well would have been way too much blue...Maleficent was terrible in every way, costumes and sets too. I really want a do-over with a live-action Sleeping Beauty. But I think we're more likely to get a live-action Frozen before that.

Agreed and agreed! I am glad Disney The Little Mermaid being Meditteranean but necessarily Greek was ok, then.

[Disney's Divinity]

I must say the overall look thusfar has me more than intrigued! Kinda looking forward to this one

So am I. I wish it wasn't so far away. I'm very excited for what they'll do with Elsa, Anna, and Kristoff next. I hope Marshmallow appears, too.

What I'm not excited for is everything about it being put under a microscope and torn to shreds the day after "because it's Frozen." Over-analyzing every little thing about the plot and the pacing and what outfit one sister was wearing and why X character didn't get more to do or how Hans didn't appear or get redeemed, how X arc undermines what they did with Anna or Elsa from the first film, how the music isn't as good as the first one's because I want to hate everything about the film for the sake of it, blah blah blah. I can guarantee you all these things are in the cards regardless of the quality of the movie or the soundtrack. Everybody's already made their mind up about how they're going to react to this. The one good thing about that is you know not to pay attention to what some will say at all, but the bad thing is how exhausting it'll be sorting through all that drivel.

[unprincess]

^lol I suggest you stay away from tumblr then(and probably this site as well.)

JeanGreyForever, DisneyDuster
You guys know so much about fashion history and Disney history! Im speechless!

[JeanGreyForever]

Tumblr is already thriving with Frozen 2 theories, and the Helsa fans are snapping up every detail to see if Hans is involved. The Moana fandom is already waging war lol because they feel the ocean belongs to them and shouldn't have anything to do with Elsa.

Thanks unprincess. I don't really know that much, but I like to follow the historically accurate princess designs that were so in vogue a while back on the Internet so some of the info has stuck with me.

[Disney's Divinity]

^lol I suggest you stay away from tumblr then(and probably this site as well.)

It is funny how much in common people here have with tumblr users considering I always see people talking negatively about tumblr on this forum.