Ralph Breaks the Internet

[JeanGreyForever]

Cinderella is blonde.

Ugh not surprised.

[RyGuy]

They showed the clip again during the Power of the Princess panel at D23 on Saturday.

IMO, irreverence is a hallmark of Wreck it Ralph. I don't think this is any different. And they didn't roast just the princesses. Marvel got some (including Stan Lee) and Star Wars.

Jodi Benson had some interesting comments about the clip. She was worried that the clip would be disrespect of the princesses and their individual journeys but seeing it in near final form she was satisfied that while it poked a little fun, it was mocking the princesses.

Granted that is just her opinion and everyone will have to form their own. I'm ok with it mostly because as a whole I think the scene was rubbing OhMyDisney.com which is over the top anyways.

She also mentioned that she was glad the princesses could all be together in one scene because historically that hasn't been allowed (with Paige O'Hara quipping that in her Disney art she has not been allowed to paint the princesses together).

[Tristy]

You know that comment about not understanding Merida because she is "from the other studio" seems especially weird given that at the Kingdom Hearts panel they had the clip with the Toy Story characters speaking with Goofy and Donald who most definitely understand what they are saying.

[JeanGreyForever]

They showed the clip again during the Power of the Princess panel at D23 on Saturday.

IMO, irreverence is a hallmark of Wreck it Ralph. I don't think this is any different. And they didn't roast just the princesses. Marvel got some (including Stan Lee) and Star Wars.

Jodi Benson had some interesting comments about the clip. She was worried that the clip would be disrespect of the princesses and their individual journeys but seeing it in near final form she was satisfied that while it poked a little fun, it was mocking the princesses.

Granted that is just her opinion and everyone will have to form their own. I'm ok with it mostly because as a whole I think the scene was rubbing OhMyDisney.com which is over the top anyways.

She also mentioned that she was glad the princesses could all be together in one scene because historically that hasn't been allowed (with Paige O'Hara quipping that in her Disney art she has not been allowed to paint the princesses together).

I'd love to hear more about the Marvel/Stan Lee and Star Wars ones if you are interested in sharing.

Jodi feeling better about the clip in final form makes me feel better about it too. From just hearing about it, it does feel a little disrespectful to the individual princesses but I've been saying that onscreen, it probably works better. I felt that way about some of Moana's anachronistic jokes too.

I never realized that Paige can't even draw the princesses together. That's odd considering it's a Disney product and plenty of Disney products have the princesses together (hello, there's a whole brand on it), and even some 90s Disney lithographs featured them together.

You know that comment about not understanding Merida because she is "from the other studio" seems especially weird given that at the Kingdom Hearts panel they had the clip with the Toy Story characters speaking with Goofy and Donald who most definitely understand what they are saying.

Maybe it's just me, but it sounds more like it's a dig at Merida's accent. That the other princesses can't understand her, because I've seen some Disney Princess parodies and they usually point that out.

[Tristy]

Well i figured that, but "from the other company" still doesn't really make any sense. I mean it made sense in Roger Rabbit when Daffy Duck makes a comment about how hardly anyone can "understand what this duck is saying" in reference to Donald since Donald couldn't really be understood by a lot of people. And maybe if it were just like that, then it would make a little more sense but saying because she's from a different animation studio, to me anyway, is a little confusing. Or maybe I'm overthinking it.

[DisneyFan09]

November 21 2018

Thanks

[RyGuy]

I'd love to hear more about the Marvel/Stan Lee and Star Wars ones if you are interested in sharing.

We only saw a few minutes so it's hard to say whether this was the entirety of their time in "OhMyDisney.com." or whether there was more. Also a lot of it was storyboard so some of this may not make it into the final product.

As for Marvel, there is a booth that guest are walking through is captioned "Marvelize Yourself." A guest passes through and is turned into Gamora. Then another guest walks through and turns into Iron Man. A third guest passes through and turns into Stan Lee and then exclaims "Excelsior!"

As for Star Wars, much of this has already been quoted probably in this thread where one of the princesses (I think it was Belle) tells C3PO We'll be right there, R2D2" to mess with him. Aurora chides her and says, "You know he doesn't like that, isn't that right, BB-8?" (and the implication is that she too is messing with him).

There also is a scene that pokes fun at Tsum Tsums and how crazy people get. There is a female guest who looks a bit psychotic and is shrieking "Tsum Tsums! Tsum Tsums!" She then jumps into a pile of them as if it were a ball pit. Vanellope says something like, "Soo . . . they're like little sausages with faces on them?"

All of that for me goes to the point that Disney is poking a little fun at themselves, their fans, and the Oh My Disney website which (as I said before) IMO is a bit on the crazy side and kind of fans the flames of rabid fandom.

[unprincess]

If the scene was self-contained and done as some sort of a sketch or a special, I don't think people would react negatively to it. You can already see comedic princess stuff like that all over BuzzFeed and YouTube. The problem here is bigger than that: it's Disney shoving their IPs down everyone's throat in some weird corporate synergy experiment to market a sequel (to an already bland movie) which I can only imagine as being so mediocre to need such an advertising crutch.

uh yeah, geez, talk about your corporate synergy, this is the most blatant Ive ever seen Disney doing this, I mean right in one of there own WDAF films?

the scene with the princesses itself, it actually seemed really cute & funny to me, similar to stuff Ive see on tumblr and deviatart. It just doesn't really belong in a WDAF film.

btw, the one poster (sorry cant remember what your name was now) who lamented that the 2d princesses weren't in CGI? I think its obvious by now Disney is looong past the stage were they're pretending they have even a drop of respect left for their hand drawn legacy & the medium itself. I mean, they are systematically replacing the hand drawn films with live action versions as we speak. So its not at all surprising they appeared here in CGI, sadly.

[DisneyEra]

I'm sure everyone remembers this. This was the first time I recall that Disney used other characters to promote an upcoming WDAS feature. But this was done in context with the character. Stitch was reveled as a "Bad Boy" type character that causes havoc not only in his own feature, but other WDAS features as well. Very cleaver marketing/very bold. The Ralph sequel Princess cameo, what does it have to do with the story other than a cheap gag? Cinderella smashing one of her glass slippers & using it as a weapon against the child-like Vanelloppe? Mocking Merida's Scottish accent? Meeko trying to bite Vanellopee? This just doesn't sound funny, especially now that it's gonna be canon & to life long WDAS fans, this just seems completely out of character. And Modern Disney mocking it's heritage is getting really old. I mean, it's been almost 10 years since Enchanted! That feature basically mocked the entire Disney legacy. I guess I just expected something better from WDAS, but will have to wait until the 2020s

[rodrigo_ca]

Do you really think Enchanted mocked the Disney legacy? In my opinion they just did a lot of references while paying homage to them. I doubt people like Paige O'Hara, Jodi Benson and Alan Menken would join a project made to mock what, basically, made them famous.

[RyGuy]

IIRC correctly, there was a LOT of weeping and gnashing of teeth similar to that in this thread with the Lilo & Stitch campaign. You may recall that it was limited to just posters; there also were movie clips where Stitch was inserted (causing the chandelier to fall down in the ballroom scene of Beauty & the Beast, showing up in a cruiser and "stealing" Jasmine from Aladdin's magic carpet ride, being shown off to all of the animals around Pride Rock instead of Simba) . . .

We survived, Disney survived, and now Stitch is probably as beloved as any other character (or at least by some).

I respect everyone's opinions who feel differently, but some of the above is why I'm not too shook up about this one.

[DisneyFan09]

While it would be easy to label the Lilo & Stitch-comparison as irrelevant, it was still different in that case. The inclusion of the other characters were just for promotional purposes and none of the other Disney characters appeared in the movie itself. So it was just to promote them in the teasers and such.

[DisneyEra]

IIRC correctly, there was a LOT of weeping and gnashing of teeth similar to that in this thread with the Lilo & Stitch campaign. You may recall that it was limited to just posters; there also were movie clips where Stitch was inserted (causing the chandelier to fall down in the ballroom scene of Beauty & the Beast, showing up in a cruiser and "stealing" Jasmine from Aladdin's magic carpet ride, being shown off to all of the animals around Pride Rock instead of Simba) . . .

We survived, Disney survived, and now Stitch is probably as beloved as any other character (or at least by some).

I respect everyone's opinions who feel differently, but some of the above is why I'm not too shook up about this one.

I know the Stitch video's did upset some people, but that was part of who he was. This bad boy character causing havoc everywhere. And maybe Disney was desperate & tried this after New Groove & Atlantis didn't set the Box Office on fire. Also, those video's were not in the feature film. Ariel, Jasmine & Belle were not in the actual movie. The Princesses are actually in Wreck it Ralph 2, acting completely out of character & being guarded by evil Storm Troopers. This scene should mean a lot more
than just a cheap gag for laughs.

[unprincess]

oh yeah, I also dont care for the mixing of the different Disney properties in this. The Princesses talking to 3CPO?
I dont mind the Princesses being funny b/c I love stuff like Place of Princes comics.
http://knightjj.deviantart.com/art/Plac ... -401249197

oh, the Stitch ad campaign. I was lurking/posting at laughingplace.com forums when that brouhaha hit. A lot of folks didnt like it at all. Me I loved that we got some new quality animation of the classic Renaissance characters but I thought the whole "LOOK!!!! Stitch is sooo COOL & BADASS!!!! he isnt like the other Disney characters!!! was laaaame. You could see how desperate Disney was at that point.

[JeanGreyForever]

The Stitch one never bothered me because it was limited to just trailers and marketing. We've all seen how Disney's marketing is worlds apart from their actual movie content. If the princesses were just appearing in promos for Wreck-It Ralph 2 like on the Disney Channel, then I wouldn't mind.

I'd love to hear more about the Marvel/Stan Lee and Star Wars ones if you are interested in sharing.

We only saw a few minutes so it's hard to say whether this was the entirety of their time in "OhMyDisney.com." or whether there was more. Also a lot of it was storyboard so some of this may not make it into the final product.

As for Marvel, there is a booth that guest are walking through is captioned "Marvelize Yourself." A guest passes through and is turned into Gamora. Then another guest walks through and turns into Iron Man. A third guest passes through and turns into Stan Lee and then exclaims "Excelsior!"

As for Star Wars, much of this has already been quoted probably in this thread where one of the princesses (I think it was Belle) tells C3PO We'll be right there, R2D2" to mess with him. Aurora chides her and says, "You know he doesn't like that, isn't that right, BB-8?" (and the implication is that she too is messing with him).

There also is a scene that pokes fun at Tsum Tsums and how crazy people get. There is a female guest who looks a bit psychotic and is shrieking "Tsum Tsums! Tsum Tsums!" She then jumps into a pile of them as if it were a ball pit. Vanellope says something like, "Soo . . . they're like little sausages with faces on them?"

All of that for me goes to the point that Disney is poking a little fun at themselves, their fans, and the Oh My Disney website which (as I said before) IMO is a bit on the crazy side and kind of fans the flames of rabid fandom.

Thanks for the info. I thought there might be more Star Wars stuff besides the droids interacting with the princesses.

[Tristy]

I'm sure everyone remembers this. This was the first time I recall that Disney used other characters to promote an upcoming WDAS feature. But this was done in context with the character. Stitch was reveled as a "Bad Boy" type character that causes havoc not only in his own feature, but other WDAS features as well. Very cleaver marketing/very bold. The Ralph sequel Princess cameo, what does it have to do with the story other than a cheap gag? Cinderella smashing one of her glass slippers & using it as a weapon against the child-like Vanelloppe? Mocking Merida's Scottish accent? Meeko trying to bite Vanellopee? This just doesn't sound funny, especially now that it's gonna be canon & to life long WDAS fans, this just seems completely out of character. And Modern Disney mocking it's heritage is getting really old. I mean, it's been almost 10 years since Enchanted! That feature basically mocked the entire Disney legacy. I guess I just expected something better from WDAS, but will have to wait until the 2020s

I think some of it could be in response to the negative comments on the internet they saw like Beauty and the Beast being about--well, you know or other petty things along those lines. Guys, I think since we have seen that Disney can laugh at itself, than we can go back to something a bit more basic and not self-mocking.

I think this whole spoofy thing in animated films has gone on for too long. It's been 16 years since Shrek. And people got tired of the Disney Renaissance tropes not even ten years after it started.

[DisneyEra]

I'm sure everyone remembers this. This was the first time I recall that Disney used other characters to promote an upcoming WDAS feature. But this was done in context with the character. Stitch was reveled as a "Bad Boy" type character that causes havoc not only in his own feature, but other WDAS features as well. Very cleaver marketing/very bold. The Ralph sequel Princess cameo, what does it have to do with the story other than a cheap gag? Cinderella smashing one of her glass slippers & using it as a weapon against the child-like Vanelloppe? Mocking Merida's Scottish accent? Meeko trying to bite Vanellopee? This just doesn't sound funny, especially now that it's gonna be canon & to life long WDAS fans, this just seems completely out of character. And Modern Disney mocking it's heritage is getting really old. I mean, it's been almost 10 years since Enchanted! That feature basically mocked the entire Disney legacy. I guess I just expected something better from WDAS, but will have to wait until the 2020s

I think some of it could be in response to the negative comments on the internet they saw like Beauty and the Beast being about--well, you know or other petty things along those lines. Guys, I think since we have seen that Disney can laugh at itself, than we can go back to something a bit more basic and not self-mocking.

I think this whole spoofy thing in animated films has gone on for too long. It's been 16 years since Shrek. And people got tired of the Disney Renaissance tropes not even ten years after it started.

I don't get why Modern Disney keeps taking cheap shots at it's legacy like this, and for what, cheap laughs? It's almost like they're making SO much money with they're franchises, they don't even resect they're legacy anymore. I can some what see in the 2000s, WDAS was in dire straights, trying to find it's footing in the CGI landscape, abandoning 2D Animation. Maybe they thought going outside the box & mocking they're past was a way to break the ice & establish an identity via Pixar, DreamWorks & Blue Sky. It's also sad that Wreck it Ralph 2 is ONLY trending because of this Princess gag scene. I mean ALL the Disney Princess voice actress were there front & center basking in the spotlight, but were was John C. Riley? The voice of Wreck it Ralph himself wasn't even there & it's HIS sequel! Upstaged in his own movie

[RyGuy]

I don't get why Modern Disney keeps taking cheap shots at it's legacy like this, and for what, cheap laughs? It's almost like they're making SO much money with they're franchises, they don't even resect they're legacy anymore. I can some what see in the 2000s, WDAS was in dire straights, trying to find it's footing in the CGI landscape, abandoning 2D Animation. Maybe they thought going outside the box & mocking they're past was a way to break the ice & establish an identity via Pixar, DreamWorks & Blue Sky. It's also sad that Wreck it Ralph 2 is ONLY trending because of this Princess gag scene. I mean ALL the Disney Princess voice actress were there front & center basking in the spotlight, but were was John C. Riley? The voice of Wreck it Ralph himself wasn't even there & it's HIS sequel! Upstaged in his own movie

Perhaps he was just busy? There were a number of notable absences at the Expo, like Idina Menzel and Ming-na Wen for the princess reunion (they too were in the clip). I know Ming-na tweeted that unfortunately she couldn't make it. James Woods may have been another at the Hercules panel, and I don't believe Matthew Broderick or James Earl Jones were present for The Lion King panel.

I wouldn't read too much into his (John C. Reilly's) absence.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I don't get why Modern Disney keeps taking cheap shots at it's legacy like this, and for what, cheap laughs?

It also happened during the opening scene of Chicken Little, but that felt more like an attempt to score some points in some Shrek humor, which was popular then. Laughing at your own legacy gives the impression that they are somewhat embarrassed of their past. Critics complain about princesses and other elements, and they reply says "see, we don't take ourselves too seriously. We have self irony and can laugh at ourselves."

I prefer it when Disney movies do take themselves seriously, but without being too serious, pretentious or preachy. It is fully possible to add some laughs without making it a comedy.

Must confess I haven't paid much attention to the Wreck-It Ralph sequel, but I liked most of the first movie, and if they can repeat that, it's on my list.

[DisneyEra]

I don't get why Modern Disney keeps taking cheap shots at it's legacy like this, and for what, cheap laughs? It's almost like they're making SO much money with they're franchises, they don't even resect they're legacy anymore. I can some what see in the 2000s, WDAS was in dire straights, trying to find it's footing in the CGI landscape, abandoning 2D Animation. Maybe they thought going outside the box & mocking they're past was a way to break the ice & establish an identity via Pixar, DreamWorks & Blue Sky. It's also sad that Wreck it Ralph 2 is ONLY trending because of this Princess gag scene. I mean ALL the Disney Princess voice actress were there front & center basking in the spotlight, but were was John C. Riley? The voice of Wreck it Ralph himself wasn't even there & it's HIS sequel! Upstaged in his own movie

Perhaps he was just busy? There were a number of notable absences at the Expo, like Idina Menzel and Ming-na Wen for the princess reunion (they too were in the clip). I know Ming-na tweeted that unfortunately she couldn't make it. James Woods may have been another at the Hercules panel, and I don't believe Matthew Broderick or James Earl Jones were present for The Lion King panel.

I wouldn't read too much into his (John C. Reilly's) absence.

But how could Riley not be there? It's his movie, he's the main lead. This was the public's first showing of this sequel since it's surprise revel a year ago, everyone else was there, directors, co star, Lasseter. Him not being there I believe, Vanellope will be getting most of the marketing along with the Princesses. Idina Menzel not showing up isn't good either, but with the studio pushing the Olaf short, Josh gad was the one that had to be there since he's the main star of it, & he was there, taking selfies with ALL the Princess voice actresses.