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I have noticed that some child stars, the Disney ones especially, are mentioning their politics more than ever before. While there is nothing wrong with having a political stance, this is coming across as spoon-fed information syndrome, unoriginal, and predictable (especially with how Hollywood is). Auli'i Cravalho (From Disney's Moana) is going to be starring in a show dealing with the "diversity" of teenagers, she even mentioned LGBT, which call me stupid but I am SO sure that Hillary Duff mentioned this at a screening of the Lizzie Maguire Movie in 2003 oh... wait....

Jared Gilmore (Who plays Henry in ABC's Once Upon a Time) was participating in the Trever Project, which deals with LGBT suicide among other things. Now, before you start yelling "HEY JARED IS NOT A DISNEY STAR!" ABC is owned by Disney and Once Upon a Time is a Disney show (Hence why Frozen and Brave were included in the show).

Landry Bender from Best Friends Whenever on Disney Channel has posted on Twitter a lot of posts dealing with women's issues such as International Women's Day and posting about the woman's march. She even tweeted about San Francisco's free college passage. Hmmmm, did Ashley Tisdale talk about atheism during High School Musical? Correct me if I am wrong.

Peyton List from Bunk'd was in agreement about not building a wall thing that was going on during Trump's early month or so in office. So was Britney Spears and Ryan Gosling on the Mickey Mouse Club famous for having skits about conservatives and liberals?

See where I am getting at? You want to know why Disney Channel, ABC or any Disney network has lost its once thriving fan base (outside of the terrible quality of the shows)? Well, I must be honest. These Disney kids are becoming political machines and they can't even vote yet! By the way, I would say the same thing if these kids were going to conservative anti-abortion rallies too. If training Miley Cyrus to be a sex toy is bad, well I am sorry training child stars to be political monsters is just as abusive. I would NEVER want my child, doesn't matter if it is a liberal or conservative issue, to be used for political ploy. I'm not saying children do not have a voice, but they are still discovering the world. Heck, they just came out with an article that most young people don't feel like adults until they are 30 years old. So if a 10 to 17 or a 18 to 29 year old is not mature, then we need to stop using them for politics.

Back when Lizzie Maguire, High School Musical, Even Stevens, The Cheetah Girls and all those shows were going on, I do not remember ONE political statement or anything from ANY of those stars during those days. They, for the most part, kept it quiet. You didn't hear much of anything until they left Disney (which by that point they were fully grown adults). The only controversies I heard was the usual Miley Cyrus, Lindsay Lohan stuff we have heard for years. Now, I have to see 10, 15 or 17 year olds act like teachers or saviors to the next generation of children? UH-UH, I'm sorry. Keep their voice.
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Maybe if Hillary Duff and co were more politically active we wouldn't have found ourselves in this trump mess.

I see no issue with it.
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I see no issue with today's teens taking on a more active role in politics, especially when most of them could care less (I should know because I was one of them). Would you prefer them instead spiraling out of control a la Britney, Lindsay, Miley, because it almost sounds like you think that is a better alternative than them having political views and endorsing those views to make a change. I'm not a big fan of the current crop of Disney stars but they are much better role models than the ones I mentioned above.
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It's not just Disney teen stars, it's Hollywood in general, and that political boisterousness is 9 out of 10 times going to be Liberal. Unless you are an A-list movie star, if you are in Hollywood and Conservative, you have to stay in the closet or it could mean your job. A-Listers like Clint Eastwood or Tim Allen can say stuff, but even they are subject to criticism from MSNBC and The Daily Beast, but at least they can still find work.

This has been going on for a few decades now and I think has if anything only been heightened each decade since Hollywood's political views have shifted from Conservative to Liberal. There are probably a lot of factors as to why, none of which I feel are appropriate to get into in any great length on a Disney fan site to a point. For everyone outside of Hollywood, the film industry's political activities will either offend or inspire, 100% based on the individual political views of the reader. Such is the way of the human.
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JeanGreyForever wrote:I see no issue with today's teens taking on a more active role in politics, especially when most of them could care less (I should know because I was one of them). Would you prefer them instead spiraling out of control a la Britney, Lindsay, Miley, because it almost sounds like you think that is a better alternative than them having political views and endorsing those views to make a change. I'm not a big fan of the current crop of Disney stars but they are much better role models than the ones I mentioned above.
In my view, today's Disney stars are many things, but good role models are not one of them. Personally, I don't think you can be a child star in Hollywood and also be a good role model. The life of such a star warps their minds too much. If you want a good role model, look within your community. You are more likely to find a better one outside of Hollywood than in, Disney or not.
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bkelly25 wrote:
she even mentioned LGBT, which call me stupid but I am SO sure that Hillary Duff mentioned this at a screening of the Lizzie Maguire Movie in 2003 oh... wait....

Hilary Duff had her own LGBT campaign back in the day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0l2z-K5OzA
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We live in a world with far too much hatred and exclusion. Young people are able to spread messages of peace and inclusion. And it doesn't have to be "spoon-fed;" young people can understand that love > hate, and that people have rights.
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You sound like a massive homophobe. There's a place where the practice of people in the entertainment industry speaking out on equal rights for LGBT people is illegal, it's called Russia. Move there if this bothers you so much.

And equal rights for the LGBT community shouldnt even be a political thing. It's basic human decency. As a member I've had enough. And with a garbage monster like Trump in charge the time of being nice is over. Gay people have been on this planet as long as mankimd itself. That's a lot longer than these idiotic rulebooks worshipping invisible people.

Maybe these kids see the babyboomers destroying our planet and want to make a difference? You wouldnt be so annoyed by this if you knew about the abuse our community has to go through.

Equality is inevitable. You can either get on the right side of history or stay in the dark. And if you don'tunderstand why Disney of all companies is a vocal advocate then you never got it in the first place.
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Would you prefer them instead spiraling out of control a la Britney, Lindsay, Miley, because it almost sounds like you think that is a better alternative than them having political views and endorsing those views to make a change. I'm not a big fan of the current crop of Disney stars but they are much better role models than the ones I mentioned above.
No, I would prefer both the spiraling out of control Miley/Lindsay and the political activism as equal monsters. Drinking, drugs and parties to me are just as bad as politics. Politics is its own drug addiction.
In my view, today's Disney stars are many things, but good role models are not one of them. Personally, I don't think you can be a child star in Hollywood and also be a good role model. The life of such a star warps their minds too much. If you want a good role model, look within your community. You are more likely to find a better one outside of Hollywood than in, Disney or not.
BINGO! I agree 100%
Hilary Duff had her own LGBT campaign back in the day...
But that was after she left Disney, big difference. I am talking about DURING the Disney career.
You sound like a massive homophobe. There's a place where the practice of people in the entertainment industry speaking out on equal rights for LGBT people is illegal, it's called Russia. Move there if this bothers you so much.

And equal rights for the LGBT community shouldnt even be a political thing. It's basic human decency. As a member I've had enough. And with a garbage monster like Trump in charge the time of being nice is over. Gay people have been on this planet as long as mankimd itself. That's a lot longer than these idiotic rulebooks worshipping invisible people.

Maybe these kids see the babyboomers destroying our planet and want to make a difference? You wouldnt be so annoyed by this if you knew about the abuse our community has to go through.

Equality is inevitable. You can either get on the right side of history or stay in the dark. And if you don'tunderstand why Disney of all companies is a vocal advocate then you never got it in the first place.

Did you not read what I said:
These Disney kids are becoming political machines and they can't even vote yet! By the way, I would say the same thing if these kids were going to conservative anti-abortion rallies too.
LGBT is political when you involve our political leaders. If you involve Washington, journalism or your lawmakers, yes it becomes political whether you like it or not.

You know, we need to stop blaming the baby boomers and get Xers right now. What happened with them is done and over. We have a new generation to blame. Millennials. And by the way, I am a millennial and yes I dislike my generation. Because while the previous generations started the problems, millennials enhanced it by NOT doing anything to fix them. If our world's problems were truly fixed, NONE of these thing would be happening. Which is exactly why I do not want the nameless generation (those born 2000 and beyond) to become the monsters of the past because then we become hypocrites...oh wait...too late for that.
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Kyle wrote:Maybe if Hillary Duff and co were more politically active we wouldn't have found ourselves in this trump mess.

I see no issue with it.
I agree. Silence is what got us to this point--the moral cowardice of some refusing to call out racism and evil for what they are out of political expediency allowed monsters like Trump to thrive. I’m glad more people are refusing to be silent now.

I don't believe Disney is forcing any of these people to do things they don't want to do.
Drinking, drugs and parties to me are just as bad as politics. Politics is its own drug addiction.
??? The personal is the political. It seems less like a drug addiction when the actions of political leaders directly impact your life.

Always funny to me that people turn to blaming the millenials--it's like a crutch. Poor baby boomers have ruined the earth, but at least they have dumb kids they can scapegoat for all their mistakes. :lol:
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I agree. Silence is what got us to this point--the moral cowardice of some refusing to call out racism and evil for what they are out of political expediency allowed monsters like Trump to thrive. I’m glad more people are refusing to be silent now.
I'm not stating this to be pro-Trump, but the violence was happening before Trump came into office. These past nearly 10 years have been nothing but problems because of President Bush's bad decisions at the end of his presidency and Obama's incompetence in bringing unity (Sorry Obama fans but he really didn't unify us). You know the phrase "There is a time and place for everything?" Well, while it is important to talk about controversial subjects, sometimes the saying "silence is golden" isn't a bad thing either. Life needs balance, and as people, we are creatures of extremes. We want either complete silence or complete anarchy. Can't have both, sorry.
??? The personal is the political. It seems less like a drug addiction when the actions of political leaders directly impact your life.
IT IS an addiction. To me, if people are willing to go out of their way to Washington DC to have the leaders of the land deal with religion, class warfare, racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia et.c That is political obsession to think you can change millions of people in a blink of an eye.
Always funny to me that people turn to blaming the millenials--it's like a crutch. Poor baby boomers have ruined the earth, but at least they have dumb kids they can scapegoat for all their mistakes.
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You know, we need to stop blaming the baby boomers and get Xers right now. What happened with them is done and over. We have a new generation to blame. Millennials. And by the way, I am a millennial and yes I dislike my generation. Because while the previous generations started the problems, millennials enhanced it by NOT doing anything to fix them. If our world's problems were truly fixed, NONE of these thing would be happening. Which is exactly why I do not want the nameless generation (those born 2000 and beyond) to become the monsters of the past because then we become hypocrites...oh wait...too late for that.
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IT IS an addiction. To me, if people are willing to go out of their way to Washington DC to have the leaders of the land deal with religion, class warfare, racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia et.c That is political obsession to think you can change millions of people in a blink of an eye.
That's nonsense. Those who believe in impossible things make the most change. Being resigned (and silent) doesn't help anyone.
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I did. And, again, I find the millenial-bashing a crutch. I remember many in Britain called Brexit the last stand of the baby-boomers (before the grave). I'd say the same argument would apply to Trump. Millenials don't constitute the majority of the vote. I'd hardly lay Trump at their doorstep.

Off-topic, but:
bkelly25 wrote: Obama's incompetence in bringing unity (Sorry Obama fans but he really didn't unify us).
Not for lack of trying. You can’t unify those who refused to be unified under a black president from the word go. I'd say his mistake was trying to bring unity at all--it allowed them to push Trump into power via Comey.
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That's nonsense. Those who believe in impossible things make the most change. Being resigned (and silent) doesn't help anyone.
But only in things that are "universal truth." LGBT for example, is not considered universal truth yet otherwise they wouldn't be brutally murdered in Asian countries. Being loud and violent doesn't help either. You have to balance silence with appropriate protest.
Not for lack of trying. You can’t unify those who refused to be unified under a black president from the word go. I'd say his mistake was trying to bring unity at all--it allowed them to push Trump into power via Comey.
Oh please....Obama never tried. I believe that statement like I believe Christians and Atheists having erotic sex with each other.
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bkelly25 wrote: But only in things that are "universal truth."
Human rights are universal truth. Treating your neighbor with the same respect and dignity you'd expect for yourself is a universal truth.

There are also countries that commit genocide, jail journalists and protesters, silence the media/people, etc.--freedom in general isn't held as a "universal truth" to some in power (like the U.S. president) because it's inconvenient.
Being loud and violent doesn't help either. You have to balance silence with appropriate protest.
Are these Disney stars being violent? Are they encouraging people to be violent?
Oh please....Obama never tried.
Well, Comey was appointed to appease Republicans, so... For one, critical example. And there’s Merrick Garland, the definition of a moderate.
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bkelly25 wrote:Did you not read what I said:
These Disney kids are becoming political machines and they can't even vote yet! By the way, I would say the same thing if these kids were going to conservative anti-abortion rallies too.
Oh I read that. That's the equivalent of "oh I have many black and gay friends".

I know exactly where these things come from and what you mean, don't worry.
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JeanGreyForever wrote:I see no issue with today's teens taking on a more active role in politics, especially when most of them could care less (I should know because I was one of them). Would you prefer them instead spiraling out of control a la Britney, Lindsay, Miley, because it almost sounds like you think that is a better alternative than them having political views and endorsing those views to make a change. I'm not a big fan of the current crop of Disney stars but they are much better role models than the ones I mentioned above.
Oh yeah, Audrey Whitby(from Liv and Maddie) getting arrested at a "peaceful" protest. Such a role model.
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The_Iceflash wrote: Oh yeah, Audrey Whitby(from Liv and Maddie) getting arrested at a "peaceful" protest. Such a role model.
I Googled her (because I have no idea who she is) and apparently the only thing she was told when arrested was that she and the other protesters were being "disruptive." Here's the story:
‘Liv and Maddie’ Actress Audrey Whitby Arrested While Protesting in Los Angeles
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Liv and Maddie actress Audrey Whitby has joined many Americans in protesting the result of Tuesday’s election. However, her intended peaceful protest in Los Angeles with friends turned into an upsetting experience ending in her arrest.

In a series of Instagram posts, Audrey recounted her experience for her fans. She started by explaining that she and her friends had gathered in L.A. to stand for equality and peace, and that they had no violent or disruptive intentions. “I will never forget last night,” Audrey wrote. “We were marching through the streets of DTLA with like-minded people, making our young but loud voices heard. We were all there with the same purpose – equality and peace. An LAPD officer…stated, ‘Once they start being disruptive is when we’re going to take enforcement action.’”

However, Audrey explained that officers in riot gear approached protesters who were gathering peacefully on the lawn. “They pointed batons, tear gas, and non lethal guns directly at us,” Audrey said. “The irony of what was happening hit me as I shoved my PEACE sign high in the air.”

Audrey was then arrested, her hands bound with plastic zip ties. According to her posts on Instagram, an officer saw her Hillary pin and began to question her, asking things like, “Did you even vote?” and “Did you even support your candidate?” Even worse, he asked her, “What if you were in the car with your family and you got hit by a drunk driver who was an illegal immigrant?” Audrey responded by saying, “I would feel the exact same way if the drunk driver was an American citizen.”

She continued in a debate with the officer, and she and her friends were eventually released after a citation was written up. Audrey ended her post by saying that she smiled because she knew she would do it all again in a heartbeat.
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/liv-and- ... ed-protest

I looked at other articles and none of them said anything more than that. *shrug* Some of the best people have been arrested for protesting. Being arrested, beaten, or killed by what has in the past few years come closer to a police state is part of the risk. She is a role model, imo. Not quite as brave as protesters being locked up in Russia, but still pretty brave.
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Are these Disney stars being violent? Are they encouraging people to be violent?
They may not be violent, but they are helping the matter by agreeing with the values of the protesters. To me, you can be non-violent but still agree with cause. And most of these political stuff seem to agree with one another, it just all depends on how they portray themselves.
Well, Comey was appointed to appease Republicans, so... For one, critical example. And there’s Merrick Garland, the definition of a moderate.
Eh, still didn't unify.
Oh yeah, Audrey Whitby(from Liv and Maddie) getting arrested at a "peaceful" protest. Such a role model.
Thank you! Someone pointed that out. We went from Disney stars getting arrested for drunk driving to now political stuff. That is why I said that both situations are equally wrong.
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All sides have their violent protestors, unless the Disney stars are the ones being violent it shouldn't be a problem. You're painting everyone for one cause (which ones are we even talking about here?) with the same brush just because of a few bad apples?

Also, you can be arrested for peaceful protest without being violent. Being arrested for peaceful protest is no the same as arrests for other things. This is for a cause they believe in, and generally isn't hurting anyone, just inconveniencing a bit.
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The_Iceflash wrote:
JeanGreyForever wrote:I see no issue with today's teens taking on a more active role in politics, especially when most of them could care less (I should know because I was one of them). Would you prefer them instead spiraling out of control a la Britney, Lindsay, Miley, because it almost sounds like you think that is a better alternative than them having political views and endorsing those views to make a change. I'm not a big fan of the current crop of Disney stars but they are much better role models than the ones I mentioned above.
Oh yeah, Audrey Whitby(from Liv and Maddie) getting arrested at a "peaceful" protest. Such a role model.
I have no idea who that is and a quick wiki search shows that she just appeared for four episodes on the show so I hardly would call her a Disney Channel star. Even so, your bias is readily apparent considering that you seem to feel that peaceful protests are on the same level as binge drinking, drug use, promiscuous behavior, etc. Everyday people and celebrities have been involved in peaceful protests, but people like you cannot bear anyone else expressing their opinions in a healthy outlet, hence why you try and discredit the "peaceful" part of the protest and make it out to be a riot. Honestly, I've never agreed with you on anything before but that was over ridiculous issues like Disney restorations so I still held an iota of respect for you. After this, your true colors have been revealed and I have nothing more that would be appropriate to say to you.
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Are these Disney stars being violent? Are they encouraging people to be violent?
They may not be violent, but they are helping the matter by agreeing with the values of the protesters. To me, you can be non-violent but still agree with cause. And most of these political stuff seem to agree with one another, it just all depends on how they portray themselves.
Oh yeah, Audrey Whitby(from Liv and Maddie) getting arrested at a "peaceful" protest. Such a role model.
Thank you! Someone pointed that out. We went from Disney stars getting arrested for drunk driving to now political stuff. That is why I said that both situations are equally wrong.
So now just holding views and believing in a cause makes someone a bad person. I hope you realize that this entire diatribe that you started is a view that you are endorsing. Essentially, this is your own brand of politics so that makes you just as bad as the ones you are targeting. Quite funny really how that works out.

Only the ignorant could see that a political protest is the moral equivalent of drunk driving. You do realize that is an insult to survivors of drunk driving accidents and the families of those who have lost people through that? Honestly, I hope you have no progeny or never plan to sire children. This is why I believe the government should castrate and sterilize certain types of people, to prevent their views from being inherited by future generations. Better ignorant thoughts like this die out with the original body.
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