Once Upon a Time (ABC TV Series)

[bkelly25]

Here is my list of characters that should return in Season 7:

Main:

Regina, Zelena, Emma, Hook, Rumple, Hook, Belle and Henry.

Supporting:

Granny, Blue Fairy, August, Geppetto, Dr. Whale, Sydney, Aurora, Philip, Mulan, Maleficent, Lily, Guinevere, Lancelot, Violet

And now, list of new characters for season 7:

Tiana, Naveen, Dr. Facillier, Moana, Maui, Mowgli, Tarzan, Jane, Mary Poppins, Quasimodo, Esmerelda and Frollo.

[unprincess]

I thought they did a big improvement on puppet Pinocchio's CGI, he came off as more cartoony and less uncanny valley creepy than in previous appearance in the series. I loved August helping David, hope he at least shows up in the finale(in whatever form that's gonna happen.) But whoa that end twist! didn't see it coming!

[Disney Duster]

Yea damn, what a twist! Makes things quite hard for the gang!

Some things I don't get: Aren't you in like some fire and mirror world when you're in your cursed sleep and it's actually really horrible?

Didn't David (Charming) seem out of character? I know, probably have to get a story moving along but I was just a little surprised.

[Sotiris]

This episode was a huge disappointment.

• I'm pissed they retconned Baelfire (in the most hackneyed way possible too) and sullied his memory just to raise Rumple up and make him more redeemable. It went against everything Bae was and stood for. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

• The flashback with Beowulf was just dull. Another waste of a potentially interesting character.

• The show still has no idea what to do with Zelena.

• New Robin's arc is just stupid. It's obvious they won't end up together. Why bring him back if you're only going to use him to cause Regina more heartbreak?

• Belle seems pretty unfazed by Rumple's actions. She is surprisingly OK with Rumple being an enabler of her son's misdeeds. She just doesn't seem like herself these past couple of episodes.

• Emma and Hook's engagement was anti-climactic. Instead of it being a joyous event, a culmination of everything the couple has been though, it was tainted by Hook's secret and his unwillingness to actually propose at that moment. It felt weird and off-putting.

• I did like that Regina realized that separating herself from the Evil Queen was foolish and finally took responsibility for her actions. The entire split-Regina arc was pointless. You could see it from a mile away that they would have them merge together again.

[Disney's Divinity]

I didn’t like how they retconned Baelfire as being the reason for Rumpel’s descenteither. Although, since I thought Baelfire as an adult was a loser, I guess I can go along with it as an early sign of his later character. I couldn’t help being a little sad they couldn’t use the actor they used to have for Young Baelfire. Anyway, it seems very apparent they’re doing a redux of Rumpel dying at the end of 3A. So many parallels, even the Blue Fairy having a role in Rumpel-Gideon’s separation just like with Rumpel-Baelfire.

I was still expecting Robin to turn out to be Rumpel there at the end so there’d be double Queen and double Rumpel, egads. I hope I'm wrong because the split halves thing has been boring for me; I’m hoping Rumpel-Gideon end up taking TEQ’s magic next so she’ll finally be gone. It’s so obvious this season was supposed to have Regina get with Hyde before executive meddling in the storyline and fan outcry over Outlaw Queen got in the way. I would’ve been so much happier right now with Hyde and Regina than this Robin mess.

• The show still has no idea what to do with Zelena.

I don't think that's true. Going by 5B, they know how to utilize her very well. I expected her and Regina to be roommates/sisterly this season and instead we got....this. I'm guessing the reason is they knew they'd have to cut people to get a season 7, and went ahead and phased her out. Shame.

[Sotiris]

Anyway, it seems very apparent they’re doing a redux of Rumpel dying at the end of 3A. So many parallels, even the Blue Fairy having a role in Rumpel-Gideon’s separation just like with Rumpel-Baelfire.

Yeah, that's what I think will happen too. That way they can write Robert off the show. Maybe Gideon will be the new Dark One. Though, I'd feel sorry for Belle, if that happens.

I don't think that's true. Going by 5B, they know how to utilize her very well. I expected her and Regina to be roommates/sisterly this season and instead we got....this. I'm guessing the reason is they knew they'd have to cut people to get a season 7, and went ahead and phased her out. Shame.

Oh, that's what I meant. I wanted them to develop a sisterly relationship this season. That's where they were heading. Instead she got very little screen time and whenever she appears she's just...there.

[Disney Duster]

I agree with a lot you said, Sotiris. Except I actually liked the realistic moment at the end with Emma and Hook. But Bae being evil and then not remembering it is not just disrespecting the character but also just makes a maddening ret-con that he wasn't always a good guy. And Gideon not listening to what his father, who he supposedly likes, has to say about what he should do makes Gideon seem rather evil or dumb.

[JeanGreyForever]

Finally got around to watching the last three episodes. There used to be a time that I never missed an episode so it's strange how I have such little interest now. I'm surprised that Robin hasn't bugged me as much as I thought he would. I actually kinda like this darker take on him, but I still want him to leave soon. Doesn't he just have a 5 episode stint? Zelena is being sidelined as usual, but I'll take what little I get of her.

Have not missed the Charmings or Henry at all. Of course Snow's one appearance is just to lecture and lecture some more which is classic Snow at this point. I really wouldn't mind the Charmings being written off and I couldn't take David seriously at all. I agree that he seemed out of character with his rage and drive for vengeance as well as keeping secrets from Snow and Emma and even breaking into Emma's shed and stealing from her.

It's been nice to see Archie and August again though. Glad the Evil Queen is back because she's one of the few parts of the show I still enjoy especially since Regina is neutered around Robin. It was nice seeing him reject her in so many ways though...for a second I almost thought he and Zelena would hook up which doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would.

Beowulf was a total waste and should have just been a generic character imo but OUAT is infamous for wasting classic characters. I wasn't happy with how Bae was treated either but I never liked Neal so I agree that maybe this darker side to him isn't completely out of character. I find Gideon laughable though and can't see him as a credible threat. At least Rumple has been more sympathetic than usual and Rumbelle isn't bothering me as much as it usually does.

Finally, the Hook twist was interesting. I forget sometimes how vicious the character actually used to be. Personally, I feel that Emma will forgive him if he tells her and doesn't try and keep it a secret much longer. I'm pretty stoked that they are finally engaged...feels like a long time coming.

[Disney's Divinity]

I find Gideon laughable though and can't see him as a credible threat.

Neither can I. When he was sneaking into the sherriff's station (or whatever building he was in) this last episode with his hood up, I thought for sure he'd turn around wearing a Scream mask.

[JeanGreyForever]

I find Gideon laughable though and can't see him as a credible threat.

Neither can I. When he was sneaking into the sherriff's station (or whatever building he was in) this last episode with his hood up, I thought for sure he'd turn around wearing a Scream mask.

That was so ridiculous that I actually started to laugh out loud. The way he was skulking around is when he completely lost any credibility he might have had. When Gold showed up, I was really hoping he would lecture his son on that lol.

[JeanGreyForever]

I'm sad to see the Evil Queen go but I'm glad that she redeemed herself. The scene where she looks in the mirror and realizes she is the person she hates most was heartbreaking. Also I'm glad that they paired her with the alternate Robin because that should satisfy Outlaw Queen shippers enough to give them their happy ending so that Robin is never brought back to life again. I liked how Regina realized her happy ending wasn't Robin but her life with Henry, Emma, the Charmings, etc.

I knew Emma wouldn't really be bothered that much by Hook killing David's father as much as him not telling her about it. As soon as Hook stepped on the submarine, I knew that something was going to happen to keep him on there. Not too happy about that but at least it opens the door for Ariel, Jasmine, and Aladdin next episode.

It was nice to see an episode with limited Gideon and no David, Belle, and Rumple. Snow, even with her limited role, was able to infuriate me. I don't understand how she can't see the Evil Queen as capable of redemption when she's been the only one who supported her way back in the Enchanted Forest. It seems like a total departure from her character, especially considering how she still constantly supports Regina, almost to a nauseating level. Does she not see that Regina and the Evil Queen are the same person and that on top of that, she had no problem supporting the Evil Queen before? I know that last season, Snow take back her "Snow White" name but she still acts like Mary Margaret to me.

Tinker Bell's appearance was a surprise though. I'm loving how this season has had so many guest stars from the early seasons like Archie, August, and now Tink. Although that only makes me think even more that this could be the last season.

[Disney's Divinity]

Tonight’s the first episode so far that felt like it was being written as if they might be heading towards a series finale this May. It felt like they were trying to resolve Regina’s character (with the focus now about to shift to resolving Captain Swan via marriage). I’m hoping Zelena and Regina will finally come back together before the finale. I liked that Robin and TEQ are together in the Wishverse; that was a nice use of the Wish!Robin plot.

Are we never going to see Jafar again this season? In a way I’m glad because I don’t like the new actor, but it’ll be a bit stupid if they never actually follow up on the Aladdin story….

[Sotiris]

I liked that Robin and TEQ are together in the Wishverse; that was a nice use of the Wish!Robin plot.

I liked that too as well as the whole self-love lesson for Regina. I don't see TEQ and Robin's happily ever after lasting long though when both Henry and Rumpelstiltskin are still after her there. Maybe the Wish realm wasn't the best place for a fresh start. Incidentally, since the Wish realm will keep existing, doesn't that mean that Regina did in fact murder real people when she killed Snow and Charming? Yet no one seems to have a problem with that.

Emma's reaction to Hook's secret was not very believable. Instead of being upset that Hook murdered her grandfather in cold blood, she was only upset that Hook kept it from her. Not to mention that it was very presumptuous of her to say that Charming would forgive him. She doesn't seem to care about the pain this revelation is going to cause her dad. By the way, how did Hook manage to extract his memory from the Dreamcatcher? He can't yield magic. And how did Emma know that the guy Hook killed was Charming's dad? She never saw the illustrations that August gave to Hook.

Snow's comment on how not everyone's redeemable was laughable. They're redeeming murderers and rapists left and right on this show. What does a character need to do exactly in order to be considered irredeemable? The show's sense of morality is so inconsistent and warped.

[unprincess]

Tinker Bell's appearance was a surprise though. I'm loving how this season has had so many guest stars from the early seasons like Archie, August, and now Tink.

aww did she really show up the beginning? I missed the first 10-15 minutes of the show. I love the actress on IZombie and it would have been cool to see her again as Tink even if just for a few minutes.

[JeanGreyForever]

Are we never going to see Jafar again this season? In a way I’m glad because I don’t like the new actor, but it’ll be a bit stupid if they never actually follow up on the Aladdin story….

Maybe they've dropped that plotline if they suspect that this is the final season and they want to use all the time left to wrap up the storylines for the main characters.

I liked that Robin and TEQ are together in the Wishverse; that was a nice use of the Wish!Robin plot.

I liked that too as well as the whole self-love lesson for Regina. I don't see TEQ and Robin's happily ever after lasting long though when both Henry and Rumpelstiltskin are still after her there. Maybe the Wish realm wasn't the best place for a fresh start. Incidentally, since the Wish realm will keep existing, doesn't that mean that Regina did in fact murder real people when she killed Snow and Charming? Yet no one seems to have a problem with that.
Snow's comment on how not everyone's redeemable was laughable. They're redeeming murderers and rapists left and right on this show. What does a character need to do exactly in order to be considered irredeemable? The show's sense of morality is so inconsistent and warped.

This show has always gone out of its way to display Regina in the most favorable light, despite the many unforgivable acts she has committed. I do love the logic on how Robin is real but not the Charmings. I suppose they tried to explain that with Emma saying that Robin's soul might have gone into Robin and this is also why even though he's not supposed to be real, he was transported to the real world.

Tinker Bell's appearance was a surprise though. I'm loving how this season has had so many guest stars from the early seasons like Archie, August, and now Tink.

aww did she really show up the beginning? I missed the first 10-15 minutes of the show. I love the actress on IZombie and it would have been cool to see her again as Tink even if just for a few minutes.

Yeah, I'm surprised she didn't appear for more of the episode but she's just mentioned a few times after that as "the fairy." The fans suspect that she wasn't actually on set but she was green-screened onto it.

[Disney Duster]

I agree a lot with JeanGreyForever and Sotiris, except I only found Snow infuriating when she wouldn't see The Evil Queen as redeemable. If Robin's soul went into the wish Robin, he wouldn't be darker. A soul is who your character is. Unless he has that goodness in him that will come out later but he seems like a completely different character. I really wish The Evil Queen just went back into Regina. But whatever.

Yea where the hell is Jafar?!

I like the realisticness we have going on between Emma and Hook (except yes, it's not realistic she wouldn't be more hurt about David's father getting murdered and how he would react to that). But I don't know what Hook would have done to prove to her he was good for her and would depend on her and ask her and her family for forgiveness. I guess that's a real problem that happens with couples in life. How do you prove you are right for each other when you mess up?

[JeanGreyForever]

It was nice seeing my two favorite princesses finally together on-screen. The way they said that they go way back almost makes me think they might have more hidden adventures together. I wasn't expecting for the entire Agrabah/Jafar plotline to be resolved in one episode but I'm ok with that. It was nice seeing True Love's Kiss work for people who aren't in the Charmings family and how it broke the genie curse on Aladdin and restored Agrabah. I've never seen it be so multi-faceted though considering it also transported the entire group to Agrabah.

I'm also glad that we only had to deal with one episode where Emma thought Hook had left her. At least she knows the truth now. Drunk Snow did not work for me at all. I think it was supposed to come off as funny but it left me cold. They're really struggling to include her, David, and Henry in the narrative now.

Next episode ought to be interesting since we'll get another peek at the Black Fairy. I'm not interested in seeing Neverland again though. Is that supposed to be Blackbeard with Hook?

[blackcauldron85]

I don't watch the show, but I just watched the clip of Ariel and Jasmine meeting, and it made me super happy (they're my favorites, too)... I just emailed my dad asking if he has it saved on his DVR (he watches the show).

Was this the only time in the episode they were together, though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il5vDvRXU0I

[JeanGreyForever]

I don't watch the show, but I just watched the clip of Ariel and Jasmine meeting, and it made me super happy (they're my favorites, too)... I just emailed my dad asking if he has it saved on his DVR (he watches the show).

Was this the only time in the episode they were together, though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il5vDvRXU0I

They have a few scenes after this. When Ariel and Jasmine arrive at Eric's tent they find Eric who is really Jafar in disguise and he promises to destroy Agrabah unless Jasmine marries him. Ariel steals a potion of red powder and plans to use it on Jafar after giving Jasmine a pep talk, but Jafar magics her into the ocean. After that Jasmine promises to marry Jafar and gives her the engagement ring which is magically blessed and allows Jafar to bypass Agrabah's defenses and make it disappear.

Ariel and Jasmine don't appear again until the present day (everything before this has been flashbacks) when Jasmine, Aladdin, and Hook arrive at an island they think belongs to Jafar. This is actually Ariel and Eric's island although Eric is out so Ariel has booby-trapped a shack full of her collectibles. Jafar is trapped in a lamp/urn, so the group decides to release him so they can use his wishes. For some reason, Jafar is actually freed from the genie curse when Jasmine rubs the lamp and he puts the while party, save Jasmine, to sleep. Luckily Jasmine finds the same red powder potion that Ariel stole from Jafar the first time they meet (she's kept it in the shack this whole time) so she uses that on Jafar to defeat him. Afterwards, Jasmine and Aladdin share a kiss of true love which breaks the Genie curse on him and frees Agrabah which was in her engagement ring the whole time. The group is transported back to Agrabah which is restored and Aladdin and Jasmine are in their "normal" clothes again.

[blackcauldron85]

Thank you!! I had forgotten about the time-travel part of the show! (Is it confusing when you watch it??)

My dad just sent me an article about the episode:
https://www.geek.com/television/once-up ... d-1694859/

I like that Ariel and Jasmine helped each other, but I'm confused about everything else...