Moana

[Warm Regards]

So um, hey, they're advertising this movie as having songs but not as a musical, correct?

[Tangled]

I kind of like how imperfect Dwayne's voice is in Your Welcome since it makes the whole bragging thing ironic (I honestly wouldn't have noticed any autotuning if it weren't for the comment section of another website, and even then I don't think it's worth nitpicking because The Rock fits the character). I feel like the lyrics being clunky and annoying is probably intentional because Maui just won't shut up.

Yeah, it is weird how much it doesn't fit the setting. I mean, the whole point of Hamilton was that Lin-Manuel Miranda was using modern music to retell history with modern values, but I'm assuming that Moana is just telling a straightforward adventure story. I really like LMM's music, but I worry that his sound is too...I don't know. Homogenized and identifiable? I can just hear the Hamilton in every other song he's involved in, even listening to In The Heights for the first time. He writes stuff in a wide range of genres, but his songs still are quite easy to pick out. Plus, every song he has written has sounded "modern" anyway.

It's not like Disney hasn't asked their songwriters to expand beyond their comfort-zones and do songs that are unfitting with the movie's setting. I mean, Alan Menken managed to mix gospel music (a new genre for him) with Greek mythology and make it turn out well. A Polynesian movie that doesn't seem to have a distinct musical genre as an identity probably wasn't the best choice to give Miranda, though. But, alas, he will never be satisfied.

[Sotiris]

WThere will be seven original songs, two reprises and two end credit songs. One is a version of "How Far I'll Go" performed by Canadian singer Alessia Cara, and the other, a version of "You're Welcome" performed by Jordan Fisher and Lin-Manuel Miranda.

I guess this means it's "How Far I'll Go" they'll be pushing for Oscar consideration since it's the 1st end credits song and the one getting a pop cover. Makes sense. They want to pull another "Let It Go".

[Lady Cluck]

Waiting for more than 30 second snippets of the beginning of two songs before longing for Randy Newman.

I remember being unimpressed by the first short preview of Let it Go, but then after seeing the full spectacle in the context of the movie I was blown away.

[Disney's Divinity]

LIG's preview did not disappoint me at all.

I believe HFIG has potential to be better in-film, but I'm already certain I'll hate Maui's song. Dwayne Johnson's vocals won't improve. Alessia Cara is a decent choice for the end credits version.

[taei]

So I've been avoiding this thread for a while now cause I don't want to spoil Moana like I did with Frozen.

But I was on instagram and I saw the preview of You're Welcome.... and I just had to come back and see what everyone thought about it.



...... And actually I'm glad that I'm not the only one who finds it Meh. How Far I'll Go didnt actually leave a big impression on me, it seemed too small for a song that is supposed to important, hopefully the visuals will improve it, kind of like how it did for Part of Your World. Not saying part of your world was bad, just that the visuals gave it extra layers of depth and grandeur. But I'm kind of doubting that they'll do that here. Just look at the clip we got for You're Welcome. The first verse is so plain! This would have been much better if he sang it on their voyage. Like the way If I were human was incorporated into the movie. Have Maui sing the song in a montage while Moana is basically doing all the heavy lifting on their journey. That I could get behind!

But the lyrics themselves are meh at best, and it feels like someone is free styling, not like a group of people recorded, wrote, and mixed the song. Kind of disappointing. The Rock's voice is alright. It's not as distracting as the cringe worthy verse.

Also, I have a problem with both of the revealed songs sounding repetitive.. WITHIN one verse/chorus alone! Yikes!

I'm still keeping an open mind, but I'm kind of starting to regret pre-ordering the soundtrack.

[jazzflower92]

It seems like only on this thread people are saying Meh, when it seems other people actually like the song.

[Sotiris]

It seems like only on this thread people are saying Meh, when it seems other people actually like the song.

It seems like different people have different opinions and tastes. Who would have thought!

[DisneyEra]

It seems like only on this thread people are saying Meh, when it seems other people actually like the song.

It's being attacked on many fronts. On The Box Office Theory forums, they're saying that Illumination's SING will make more money than Moana, here they are complaints about the songs & on Tumblr/Twitter they claim the movie is racist & exploiting Polynesian culture. Seems like a lot of people want this movie to fail, for what reason, I don't know.

[Lady Cluck]

To be honest I wasn't crazy about You're Welcome either but it has been in my head and is already growing on me a little bit. That's why I think I might like it more once I hear the whole song, see the accompanying visuals in their entirety, and take in the soundtrack/score as a cohesive unit.

This sort of song is never my favorite anyway, kind of like "In Summer" is just a cute part of the movie but I never really feel like listening to it as a song. I expect to like "How Far I'll Go" and hopefully more of the other 5 songs more. Happy about the two reprises too since they're often my favorite among my favorite musical numbers in Disney movies. The "Mother Knows Best" reprise is basically the only interesting musical aspect of Tangled, to me anyway.

[disneyprincess11]

I'm still keeping an open mind, but I'm kind of starting to regret pre-ordering the soundtrack.

Yeah, I was going to surprise myself with the music. But, now I'm going to listen to the whole soundtrack, so I can't cringe in the theater and have it take away the experience

[D82]

There will be seven original songs, two reprises and two end credit songs. One is a version of "How Far I'll Go" performed by Canadian singer Alessia Cara, and the other, a version of "You're Welcome" performed by Jordan Fisher and Lin-Manuel Miranda.

I guess this means it's "How Far I'll Go" they'll be pushing for Oscar consideration since it's the 1st end credits song and the one getting a pop cover. Makes sense. They want to pull another "Let It Go".

That's the first thing I thought too when I heard about the end credit songs. Well, I thought that maybe they would submit both "How Far I'll Go" and "You're Welcome" for consideration, but considering that they only submitted one song for their last two musical movies, I guess they've chosen just "How Far I'll Go".


Here are the lyrics from the "You're Welcome" clip:

What has two thumbs and pulled up the sky
When you were waddling yay high?
This guy

When the nights got cold, who stole you fire from down below?
You're looking at him, yo

Oh, also I lasso'd the sun
(You're welcome)
To stretch your days and bring you fun

Also I harness the breeze
(You're welcome)
To fill your sails and shake your trees

So what can I say except you're welcome?
For the islands I pulled from the sea
There's no need to pray, it's OK, you're welcome
I guess it's just my way of being me
You're welcome, you're welcome...

Source: https://www.bustle.com/articles/191273- ... ong-listen


I personally like the song, I find it catchy and I usually like this kind of songs. "Dig a Little Deeper", for example, is my favourite song from "The Princess and the Frog". But I think the songs from the renaissance are way superior to the songs from these new musical films and, to be honest, my expectations for the music of "Moana" weren't too high.

[D82]

Here are some new things:

- Interviews with some of the creators of the film and a bit of new footage in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMg57xfAguk

- Storyboards from a deleted musical number that Maui apparently had in the realm of monsters: https://www.instagram.com/p/BL9FkIYgbKK/

- Some new concept art in the background of the following photos:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLwfv8DFMPm/
https://twitter.com/briantong/status/788836404520378368
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLy74hBAC6s/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BL07G1ZA2PF/

- And new Moana and Maiu poses in this leaflet: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Disney-Moana-Mo ... Swo4pYDEnL

[Disney's Divinity]

It's being attacked on many fronts. On The Box Office Theory forums, they're saying that Illumination's SING will make more money than Moana, here they are complaints about the songs & on Tumblr/Twitter they claim the movie is racist & exploiting Polynesian culture. Seems like a lot of people want this movie to fail, for what reason, I don't know.

I don't want this movie to fail. One, because, well, why? And, two, M&C will be blamed for the failure even though a lot of the decisions look like they're largely out of their control. Lasseter chose the medium, the composer, and clearly the buddy roadtrip story structure. The only benefit of seeing this fail would be possibly keeping Miranda from taking over Disney entirely for years to come since I'm not a fan.

[DisneyEra]

It's being attacked on many fronts. On The Box Office Theory forums, they're saying that Illumination's SING will make more money than Moana, here they are complaints about the songs & on Tumblr/Twitter they claim the movie is racist & exploiting Polynesian culture. Seems like a lot of people want this movie to fail, for what reason, I don't know.

I don't want this movie to fail. One, because, well, why? And, two, M&C will be blamed for the failure even though a lot of the decisions look like they're largely out of their control. Lasseter chose the medium, the composer, and clearly the buddy roadtrip story structure. The only benefit of seeing this fail would be possibly keeping Miranda from taking over Disney entirely for years to come since I'm not a fan.

When you got people on forums saying SING will do better than Moana, that's cause for concern, especially after Frozen/Zootopia which both made over a Billion dollars worldwide. The "Buddy Roadtrip structure" was chosen again because of Tangled/Frozen's success. It's following the exact same formula as those two features. Lasseter won't take responsibility if Moana underperforms. Who at Pixar took responsibility for The Good Dinosaur's failure? http://www.boxofficeflops.com/yearly-br ... -dinosaur/
And I wouldn't worry about LMM doing music for another WDAS feature for quite sometime. Regardless of Moana he's already doing music/starring in Mary Poppins Returns. That's the film I believe that will make/brake him at Disney.

[disneyprincess11]

Additionally, there will be a song in the underworld:

ryangreenart@nicolettapowers The song's concept proved to be valuable to our story, but we ended up feeling that it worked better in a different sequence (which needed an entirely new song with new lyrics to work).

ryangreenart@alleno4 Thanks, Allen. I always liked the notion of the warrior face concept in our story...but I'd have to say that I enjoy listening to the song that eventually replaced it more.

[Disney's Divinity]

"Buddy Roadtrip structure" was chosen again because of Tangled/Frozen's success. It's following the exact same formula as those two features. Lasseter won't take responsibility if Moana underperforms.

Of course he won't. We already saw from TP&TF that he did not take responsibility for his own interference with M&C by forcing them to follow the buddy roadtrip structure and use Newman. He blamed hand-drawn animation, fairy tales, and Randy Newman.

They would've followed the buddy roadtrip structure even if Tangled and Frozen had flopped because, going by everything he's done at Pixar and Disney, it's the only thing Lasseter is capable of doing at all.

[PatrickvD]

He never takes responsibility. I remember when the reviews for Cars 2 came in his response was: "well a lot of people don't remember but the original Toy Story also got mixed reviews".

Those are Donald Trump level mental gymnastics.

Lasseter will spin anything in any direction so long as he doesn't have to own up to mistakes or failures. But once something is a hit, the Hawaiian shirt!wearing bastard is front and center taking all the credit.

Would love to see a changing of the guards at Disney. The formula will start wearing out sooner rather than later. And once it does, things will get ugly.

[unprincess]

I have stayed away from watching any clips and most of the trailers posted here. Ive only seen a few commercials and the promos they put on the Disney Channel. Ill wait until I see the whole film before I make any opinions on anything, including the music.

[D82]

Another TV spot with new footage. It looks like Moana isn't the only one to wear their hair in a bun in the movie.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0E04CH-r2o[/youtube]