Beauty and the Beast (Live-Action)

[Disney Duster]

Cinderella just drew less interest because it was a less interesting movie.

No, it was because it was a movie with less people interested in it.

[Kyle]

...that makes zero sense. You can't just switch some words around to find the answer to the question "why were less people interested in the movie". This isn't jeopardy.

[JeanGreyForever]

I can't fathom how anyone would think those stars aren't the epitome of Hollywood.

And that wasn't what we were arguing either.

We were arguing that those two actors somehow were the reason for a 250-500 million dollar difference between Cinderella and Alice/Maleficent, which I find ridiculous. Which still doesn't explain why TJB did so much better than Cinderella. And, no, TJB didn't have "more star power" than Cinderella (which features Blanchett, HBC, James, Madden, etc.). Cinderella just drew less interest because it was a less interesting movie.

But that basically is what we're arguing about. I don't see how it's unrealistic that Depp and Jolie were able to pull in so much money for their respective films. All the Brangelina frenzy today should be enough proof of that.

As for The Jungle Book, I never said that if a film doesn't have an all-star cast or A-list lead character, it won't sell. I just said that it always helps to have that.

Anyway, there's really no point in further discussing this, because it's clear that you have your clear beliefs and I have mine and they don't overlap on this matter.

[tsom]

Depp and Jolie are indeed big stars with major box office appeal. Blanchett and Bonham Carter have appeal but not to the extent of the other two. Anyone can tell you who Depp and Jolie are. Not everyone can tell you who Blanchett is, even though she is a brilliant actress. Harry Potter and/or Tim Burton fans would know HBC, but she wasn't the main selling point of Cinderella. The marketing of Alice and Maleficent focused on the stars. Cinderella's selling point was its title. Lily James would only be known by those who watch Downton Abbey (btw, Lily James is not a bland actress. If you've seen Downton, her charater is different from Cinderella. Though I love her, Cinderella can be seen as a bland character. It's not the actress). Madden would only be known to Game of Thrones watchers.

Jungle Book did well because of great reviews, great word of mouth, it had a 3D release (which Cinderella did not have), and let's be real, Jungle Book has a wider appeal to both genders than Cinderella. However, most critics and audiences said Cinderella and Jungle Book were improvements as it relates to Alice and Maleficent.

Also, while Cinderella didn't make as much money as the others, the fact that a female-led making over 540 million worldwide is a pretty big deal.

Beauty and the Beast will do well because of Emma Watson and the fact that its animated version is beloved by people who grew up with it and now have the purchasing power to buy movie tickets. Plus, it will have a 3D release. Cinderella the animated movie is more iconic in my opinion, but Beauty and the Beast is more beloved by this generation.

Also, I believe Sleeping Beauty is mostly beloved by Disney fans. Outside the Disney realm and Disney forum, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid, and Beauty and the Beast are more beloved by wider audiences.

[Disney's Divinity]

Depp and Jolie are indeed big stars with major box office appeal.

I don't think they constitute a 500 million dollar difference though.

Lily James would only be known by those who watch Downton Abbey

One of the biggest shows on TV.

Madden would only be known to Game of Thrones watchers.

Another one of the biggest shows on TV.

Jungle Book did well because of great reviews,

Cinderella also had great reviews?

However, most critics and audiences said Cinderella and Jungle Book were improvements as it relates to Alice and Maleficent.

And yet only one of them did as well as Alice/Maleficent.

Also, while Cinderella didn't make as much money as the others, the fact that a female-led making over 540 million worldwide is a pretty big deal.

Alice, Maleficent, and soon-to-come B&tB are all female-led films that will have done better than Cinderella.

Beauty and the Beast will do well because of Emma Watson

Not just because her though. Mostly because the movie appeals to more people and definitely looks better than it already.

As for the personal opinions, I think the animated B&tB is equally iconic to the animated Cinderella and Lily James is incredibly bland (having watched both Cinderella and DA).

[Disney Duster]

...that makes zero sense. You can't just switch some words around to find the answer to the question "why were less people interested in the movie". This isn't jeopardy.

Think about it. The sentence "This is a less interesting movie" does not equate to "Less people were interested in seeing this movie." To explain, it means the movie itself is not less interesting, but rather it simply drew the interest of less people. To provide an example, it seems more people were interested in The Jungle Book than Cinderella. However, I found the film less interesting than others did.

Though I love her, Cinderella can be seen as a bland character.

Unfortunately, yea, though I love her, too.

Beauty and the Beast will do well because of Emma Watson

Not just because her though. Mostly because the movie appeals to more people and definitely looks better than it already.

You mean the movie appeals to more people than the people who were drawn to Cinderella, and you think this film looks better than Cinderella already? There's so little to go on to make that statement now...

I think the animated B&tB is equally iconic to the animated Cinderella

Yea, I'd agree with that.

[Disney Duster]

Maleficent may be more popular than Cinderella, because villains are generally always liked better, and especially now that public perception paints her as a flawed heroine rather than a full-fledged villain. It's really weird to see people consider her a Disney Princess for example.

Hm, I have never heard anyone thinking the Maleficent from Maleficent is the same one from Sleeping Beauty, except Angelina's kids! And I have never ever heard of anyone considering her a Disney Priness. I really hope I'm right that most people don't think the Maleficent from Maleficent is the real her.

[Vlad]

I certainly don't think that. I see both movies as completely different. If I were to compare them, Sleeping Beauty will always be the superior one.

[JeanGreyForever]

Maleficent may be more popular than Cinderella, because villains are generally always liked better, and especially now that public perception paints her as a flawed heroine rather than a full-fledged villain. It's really weird to see people consider her a Disney Princess for example.

Hm, I have never heard anyone thinking the Maleficent from Maleficent is the same one from Sleeping Beauty, except Angelina's kids! And I have never ever heard of anyone considering her a Disney Priness. I really hope I'm right that most people don't think the Maleficent from Maleficent is the real her.

I mean small children who have grown up with Maleficent rather than Sleeping Beauty. I've heard several of them explaining that Maleficent is the true story and if you watch the original Sleeping Beauty that she is the good character while King Stefan is evil. You'll find all these youtube videos where little girls are showing off their dolls and playing with them and Maleficent gets grouped with them a lot, especially Aurora and Elsa.

[Disney Duster]

I agree Vlad.

It sucks to me that kids are like that now, JeanGreyForever.

[Sotiris]

I mean small children who have grown up with Maleficent.

The movie is only 2 years old.

[Sotiris]

Disney’s new Belle Emma Watson could have ended up with a very, very different Beast
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/22/disneys-n ... t-6145267/

[Disney's Divinity]

Never heard of him, but he definitely doesn't look the part at all.

[Sotiris]

New stills!

[Vlad]

Wow, I love it!!!! She is so beautiful. The Beast kinda looks like the one from the 2014 French movie.

[Atlantica]

Her everyday attire is just lovely. A homage / copy of the original, but with a bit of a switch up. Love it.

I don't like the CGI pose thing of the dance ... assume its the poster ? Looks like the Cinderella odd - perspective one.

And actually looking at the library picture ... kind of reminds me of Once Upon A Time for some reason ??

[Toky]

Really like that they went with a different design/look of the costumes than the animated version (like in Cinderella). The only thing I dislike is the beasts' face; It looks really awful CGI; and I kinda expected a mask/make-up.

Wow, I love it!!!! She is so beautiful. The Beast kinda looks like the one from the 2014 French movie.

Yes, the beast kinda does; but if this movie looks anything like the 2014 version; I'm sure it'll look wonderful. Lea Seydouxs' dresses in it were amazing...

[disneyprincess11]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

The Beast looks excellent and Belle's blue gown is gorgeous! Emma is beautiful! But, what a boring yellow dress!!!!

[JeanGreyForever]

I love the first shot of Belle in her blue dress. The Beast looks great as well.

But Belle in her ballgown looks horrendous. The dress is so plain and not even gold, but yellow. On top of that, even her hair doesn't look styled. I'm really disappointed actually. While Emma Watson's dress for the Yule Ball in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire was simple, it still blows this one out of the water.

[ce1ticmoon]

I'm not sure about the Beast yet, but that looks more like an awkwardly Photoshopped promo shot rather than an actual still, so I'll reserve judgement.

Any word on when we'll be getting an official trailer? I wonder if they'll be holding out until Moana's released.