Once Upon a Time (ABC TV Series)

[Disney Duster]

Yea Divinity, all the bad stuff they've done on a "family" show and yet this gay romance is the one thing not fit for it?! I also agree with you on the Phillip and Aurora thing, except I still think the writers were planning on having her love Phillip, then changed their story to make her love Aurora.

I wonder what Mulan, Ruby, and Dorothy's actresses thought of their characters being gay and what they woudl have to do on the show. After all, Ruby had a boyfriend before this episode. I don't know how she felt about being made bi. Or how any of the characters felt about the turns in these stories. I even wonder how Aurora's actress felt.

[Disney's Divinity]

I didn’t enjoy this episode as much I thought I would. I mean, it was okay. I felt like the memory that Cora wiped wasn’t that meaningful? And Cora acted as if there was something about Hades she needed to tell Zelena, but we didn’t get anything. Cora’s speech (“I can’t tell you how… disappointed that makes me.”) seemed spot-on though. I can believe she’d separate them in order to control Regina more. I just thought the reason they met was contrived.

I’m getting more and more curious about Hades. What he really wants, if the tombstones are just a bluff (meaning they could leave anyway, but he’s fooled them into thinking they can’t), what his heart being stopped and re-started means?

I was never interested in David’s twin; glad he's out of the story via the pool. And I was so weirded out to see Zelena and Pan interacting for some reason. Can’t wait to see what happens with them next episode.

[JeanGreyForever]

This is the first episode where I really couldn't stand Cora. She seemed to favor Regina over Zelena at every end. I don't believe that she couldn't have taken in Zelena back in the Enchanted Forest. She could have easily made up a story about taking in a stray girl to give Regina a companion or maybe Zelena is a distant relative. When the two girls went to confront her about their relationship, Cora never once even addresses Zelena. The whole conversation is just between Cora and Regina and who she is doing everything for Regina, while completely ignoring her other daughter. No wonder Zelena feels so despised.

I think the reason the memory is so important is because it shows the one and only time on this show that Zelena and Regina have ever been on good terms. Until that memory, they've always been opposing each other and have never had a chance to truly reconcile and be sisters. That memory showed that there had been a relationship between them at one point so there is a chance for them to truly be sisters again. I wasn't completely sure if the writers would damn Cora to hell or not. I mean they essentially did that to Milah, Gaston, and now James, so I wouldn't have been surprised if Cora had received a similar fate. I'm not sure how deserving she was of moving onto a better place, but I wasn't completely against it either, because before this episode I have been a Cora fan.

I don't find David a particularly interesting character, especially when he's on his own so his subplot didn't interest me. Honestly, I'm hoping that it was David who feel into the water and James is the one who is really still alive but I doubt the writers would do that.

I'm hoping all of these Cruella appearances actually amount to something. I mean, I love seeing her, but I hope she actually does manage to get brought back.

I'm guessing Rumple will blackmail Hades into destroying the contract for his child in order to get Zelena back safely. At first I thought Rumple was going to tell Zelena that he's after her baby now since Hades is after his. And I'm still totally for Hades becoming the father of Zelena's child rather than Robin. I was really hoping James would have put an end to the debacle that is Robin...it would have been one of the few noteworthy things one of the Charming brothers have done on this show.

[unprincess]

wow Jean, ya really hate Robin huh?!

I really have no idea where theyre going with Hades. I keep thinking he's playing Zelena, but the writers are being very careful not to reveal he has any ulterior motive and presenting him as genuine, kinda like how the WDFA writers did with Hans in Frozen.

Cora going to "heaven" seemed really odd, it just seems very inconsistent who's worthy of "heaven" and who isnt.

[JeanGreyForever]

wow Jean, ya really hate Robin huh?!

I really have no idea where theyre going with Hades. I keep thinking he's playing Zelena, but the writers are being very careful not to reveal he has any ulterior motive and presenting him as genuine, kinda like how the WDFA writers did with Hans in Frozen.

Cora going to "heaven" seemed really odd, it just seems very inconsistent who's worthy of "heaven" and who isnt.

I really can't stand the character's acting and honestly he hasn't done anything major besides getting with Regina. He's really just there to keep Regina fans happy and only those Regina fans who ship the two together. Wasn't Graham supposed to be Robin Hood originally? I think I would have preferred that if it meant we didn't have to see this Robin onscreen.

[Disney Duster]

This was my favorite episode of the series. It was the best to me. That or when Emma breaks the first curse. I just found this one a very emotional episode. You guys pointed out Cora was quite evil but I feel she was finally redeemed here.

I think it's awful anyone could be tortured in that river for all eternity. There must be hope for all of them to get out. It is just very unfair that anyone, not just those "deserving", can go to that awful punishment. I believe in God so I believe he'd bail them out in the end anyway.

[Disney's Divinity]

Yeah, I know on another forum I visit, everyone was pissed Cora went into the light, but I'm fine with it, personally. I only wish they'd have her for at least moment talk about all the horrible things she did--not just to her daughters, but in general--that she truly regretted all the evil she committed.

But if Cora was iffy, Pan and Cruella would be big leaps. Even right now, all those two care about is getting out of the Underworld.

Hopefully, everyone who's been pushed into the Pool of Souls will be rescued before the end of this arc. I don't want Auntie Em to be left down there. Spoilers: We're supposed to get resolution to Arthur soon. Not sure about Merida?

[Disney Duster]

Yea, I agree.

I believe all the souls can get rescued if they try to do good, even just in their thoughts, in the river of souls.

I also thought the heroes accidentally pushed the villains into the river, but they all then said they did it on purpose. But because it may have been the only way to save others, it is ok...

[Disney's Divinity]

I enjoyed this episode. I think this season will end up there with the first season and the 3rd as being all-around good--for me, anyway. I loved loved 4A and, while I didn’t dislike it as much as most people, 4B was a dip in quality outside of a couple of great eps (the premiere, Cruella and Ursula’s backstories).

I was kind of glad that Pan got screwed over. Why in the world would he think Rumpel would want to bring him back to the real world after everything he did to him (and most likely would’ve picked back up immediately)? And the Blind Witch getting her revenge…

I’m really curious about what happens now. There has to be some kind of consequences to Hades leaving the Underworld. I’m hoping he and Zelena end up staying together somehow. I mean, I don’t think he could be manipulating her after they had a True Love’s Kiss. Maybe some other gods'll step in... (Ursula, come on now.)

EDIT: I totally forgot to talk about Emma. I really enjoyed the backstory for her (I could tell the shot by shot as it was happening from the pilot lol). I'm sure Hook will end up back somehow, but those scenes between those two got me going a little bit.

[JeanGreyForever]

I'm sure Hook will be back by the finale. I don't believe they would go an entire mid-season to bring him back to life only to accept leaving him dead. Their goodbye scenes always tear me up though...this one and the one at the end of season 5A when Hook sacrifices himself to stop the Dark Ones.

It's too bad we've seen the end of Pan, Cruella, and the Blind Witch (I'm assuming for the last two b/c I doubt we'll be going back to the Underworld anytime soon). Hoping Hades gets a proper redemption or just something so he and Zelena can remain together without her backstabbing Regina and the others.

The Emma flashback was really sad but it was nice to see where she got the iconic red jacket from. For a second there, I thought she was going to leave it behind in the Underworld.

[Disney Duster]

Yea I agree with you guys. Except, I do really wonder what will happen to Hook.

(I could tell the shot by shot as it was happening from the pilot lol).

What did you mean by that?

[Disney's Divinity]

I meant that they copied Emma's first scene of the series, with her on the opposite side and the cop walking through traffic.

[Disney Duster]

Oh, like they did the same chase scene from the first episode but reversed Emma and who she was persuing's roles?

[unprincess]

I still dont know whats gong on with Hades. did he really betray everyone or not!?
I liked the Emma flashback scenes and they (sorta)mentioned August, yeay! I miss him.

[Disney's Divinity]

What a rough episode to watch. I loved the whole scene in the office, first with Robin dying (sort of like a breath-stopped moment with the close-up on Regina’s face), then the confrontation between Hades, Regina, and Zelena. Zelena sobbing after she’d killed Hades and then her and Regina holding one another = tears everywhere. Man, I was hoping Hades would be able to survive everything that would go down so I could have Hades/Zelena for the rest of the series… And neither Zelena/Hades nor Robin/Regina will meet again in the afterlife.

The funeral was heartbreaking just because you had three people who had lost their true loves at that point. At least I’ll get to see what I’ve wanted since the end of season three, which is Regina and Zelena having a strong, sisterly relationship.

I thought Hook would manage to save everyone from the Pool of Souls somehow, but nope. Btw, Hook/Arthur is a beautiful thing I’ll be waiting to read fanfiction for. Yum. (I can totally imagine Cruella and Arthur ruling the Underworld together. ) Zeus was a letdown. He should be buff and ultra masculine, and that guy was neither. Still, I was happy to see Emma reunited with Hook. They would never find another guy for Emma that had that much chemistry with her. Even though I was sad for Regina considering she's already lost Daniel, too, I hated Robin, so I'm glad for myself that I won't have to watch that character anymore.

I still hate Maurice with a raging passion. I was looking forward to Rumpel beating the crap out of him.

I hate the show’s going to be off for several months now. I’m really curious about where they go from here with Regina.

[JeanGreyForever]

This has to be one of my favorite episodes ever. Basically everything I've ever wanted to happen, happened.

Robin is dead.
Belle is still out of commission.
Zelena is still around.
And Hook is back.

I was hoping throughout the entire episode that Robin would die, but honestly I didn't think the writers had it in them. His spats with Regina since the last episode over Zelena weren't really cluing me in on whether or not he would survive or not. His last moments when the camera closed in on his face was really awkward in my opinion. So glad that it actually appears to be a permanent, irreversible death. Unfortunately the same applies to Hades who I will actually miss with Zelena. I wonder if we'll ever see love interests for these two again. I always preferred Regina with Daniel since he is basically the catalyst for so much of what happened on this show.

I can't stand Maurice either. Nor Belle at this point, so I'm glad he won't be waking her up. Still, I'd be surprised if we don't see her in the 2 hour finale next week.

I knew Hook would be back, especially when Zeus showed up to tell him he would take him to the place he belonged. Honestly at first, I thought it was Hook's brother dressed in a toga, because I couldn't really remember what he looked like.

At least little pistachio finally has a name: Robin. I cringed at first, but it's probably for the best. At least now, when Robin is mentioned, people will think more of the baby than Robin Hood. Also was I the only one bothered on how many times the baby was referred to as Robin's daughter in this episode? Always just Robin's daughter, never Zelena's, or even both of theirs.

I must be one of the only people who actually liked Arthur so I was glad to see him back and on a redemption path. His bromance with Hook (as aptly pointed out by the Blind Witch and Cruella) really was endearing. And I never realized how many physical characteristics the two share. I have a feeling we won't be seeing the Underworld anytime soon if ever, which is a pity because I'd love to keep tabs on Arthur, Cruella, and the Blind Witch. At the start of this arc, I wasn't sure why the Blind Witch was being brought back, considering she was a minor 1 episode villain, but I'm glad they did flesh her out more.

[Disney's Divinity]

I'd like if Arthur and Cruella somehow return to the world of the living. (Hades, too, but I'm not sure how they'd manage that one.) Zelena's dialogue this episode reminded me of Cora's last words to Regina in "The Miller's Daughter": "This would've been enough." For Zelena, just being together would've been enough. :/

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Regina goes a very different direction than the usual anger or tears. After having this happen to her twice, having been evil, then good... It would be very believable if they wrote the character as suicidal at this point.

[JeanGreyForever]

I didn't notice the parallel between Zelena and Cora there but yeah it's a shame that Zelena has been so abandoned by people close to her. At least she and Regina seem to be on good terms despite everything that's happened.

I wonder how Regina will feel towards Emma though. She might indirectly blame her because it was Emma's quest to save Hook that led to Hades entering their realm. Also I'm not sure how well she will take it when she finds out Hook is back, but her own love will forever be nonexistent. A suicidal Regina would be interesting, and less predictable than her turning into the Evil Queen again as the promos seem to indicate.

Looks like we won't ever get a resolution to characters like Milah, Gaston, or Auntie Em, which is a pity.

[WonderNeverOz]

[quote="Zeus was a letdown. He should be buff and ultra masculine, and that guy was neither. [/quote]

I think they did that on purpose to break stereotypes. I was kind of happy to see that he wasn't super buff tbh

[unprincess]

this show continues to be the epitome of wtf?

Hook gets saved by The CW's Zeus but poor Robin gets utter nonexistence?

Then I laughed b/c I got a mental image of JeanGreyForever hooting & fist pumping the air.

BTW why are Greek gods responsible for the lives of a bunch of people living in a non-pagan modern day town? Do they meddle in the lives of people in New York or Kalamazoo? Is it just that Storybrooke has magic?

Hades turned out to be a bad guy after all... maybe? He did seem to love Zelena, he just didnt wanna let go of that power. But Zelena chose sisterly love. Aww how "Frozen" of her!