Disney Infinity

[milojthatch]

If Gravity Falls wins over Darkwing Duck, then this generation's got no taste in cartoons.

People clearly just have bias for the things that are new, when a lot of the cartoons we got back in the 90's were indeed a lot better looking for television than what most people give us for cartoons today.

You know what kind of annoys me? How often younger people today say this. What a bunch of crap! Lots of people that like older things can and do also find newer things that they like. The criteria, as it should be for old or new, is is it any good? Is it worth my time? When people like yourself say stuff like "people have a bias for new stuff", it's kind of a cop out. It has nothing to do with it being new and everything to do with it not being someone's cup of tea. Just because I'm a Disney fan doesn't mean I have to like every single new thing the company slaps their name on.

For me personally, and I'm sure there are plenty others here who feel the same, I'm not a big fan of modern Disney anything for the most part. They seem ashamed almost of their heritage these days and seem more focused on pushing I.P.'s that they have bought or tween drivel over anything else.

That said, while I'm a bigger fan of classic Disney, there are actual Disney projects from the last few years I enjoy. I mostly liked Phineas and Ferb, I was surprised at how much I liked the live-action Cinderella re-make, I really liked John Carter and Tomorrowland, just to name a few and I'm looking forward to the new Tangled show and of course DuckTales reboot and hope booth are good. I'm a huge fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, however unlike a lot of other Disney fans, I don't think of those films and shows as "Disney" despite their current ownership and was a fan of Marvel way before Disney ever came into the picture.

Nor did I feel everything from the Disney Afternoon-era was amazing either. I'm not the biggest fan of The Shnookums and Meat Funny Cartoon Show, The Little Mermaid: The Series or Quack Pack and while I mostly enjoy them, I didn't always like Bonkers, Raw Toonage or Timon and Pumbaa. They were hit or miss with me. Just as those shows don't always excite me, I can't say that Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, The 7D, or Star vs. the Forces of Evil do anything for me, and I really despised Fish Hooks. I've watched all of those shows and every time cold not help the feeling of wanting my half hour back. And despite all the praise, I'm not a fan of the new Mickey Mouse shorts. I want to be, but they actually offend me a little. But hey, if it makes you feel any better, I know for a fact that former Disney Afternoon producer Jymn Magon LOVES the new Mickey Mouse shorts, so there you go!

[milojthatch]

Wanted to vote for Hercules, but since I rather would have Darkwing Duck instead of this Disney character that is totally unknown for me, I voted for Darkwing. Is Disney really thinking that this Mabel chick is a more suitable addition to this series than Belle, Pocahontas, Jafar, Hercules, Goofy etc, etc? I guess the kids playing this game and watching Disney Channel these days thinks she is a more cool character than princess Aurora, prince Phillip, Captain Hook, Alice etc.

Besides Mabel, I think all the voteable characters in that poll would be a nice addition to this game. I hope that they will release them all at some point, and that now that most of the Pixar, Marvel and soon Star Wars characters have been added, that they can focus more on classic Disney characters in upcoming additions. Disney princesses/princes and heroines/heroes, Disney villains, Duckburg (Ducktales, Scrooge, Donald, Goofy, Mickey)...

Agreed. Despite my pushing for Darkwing Duck, if it was up to me, every character on that pool minus Mabel and the live-action character would be added to the game yesterday. The biggest thing holding me back from getting into Disney Infinity is the lack of focus on actual, genuine Disney character for a higher focus on inorganic company assets.

Despite my love of Marvel, it kind of annoys me that after taking up so many slots in Disney Infinity with Marvel chracter that Disney in launch an entirely new game action figure based game just for the Avengers. Would it have been so hard to just do that from the start and save the spots Marvel took from Disney Infinity for classic Disney characters like Goofy or Simba?

It also annoys me that not every power disc can be moved over to the newer version of the game. I'm not even sure, can the power disc with Abu as an elephant from 1.0 be used with the Aladdin and Jasmine figures in 2.0? Can the Khan the horse power disc from 1.0 be used with Mulan in 3.0? The fact there is even a question is slightly maddening and very much a turn off.

That said, if this Disney Afternoon rumor for 4.0 turns out to be true, I'm there!

[Tangled]

If Gravity Falls wins over Darkwing Duck, then this generation's got no taste in cartoons.

Guess I'm part of this "tasteless generation" then, despite being old enough to remember Darkwing Duck fondly? The two shows aren't at all comparable just based on how different they are. Still, Gravity Falls is becoming one of my favorite Disney shows of all time due to the superb visuals and writing quality. It's a brilliant new I.P. that's severely underused by Disney aside from the TV show, which I think is part of the reason why so many are voting for Mabel. Different strokes for different folks. Its not worse because its new.

I agree that Mabel doesn't work well as a Disney Infinity character, and that more people should be thinking of the game itself, but that has nothing to do with the show's quality. Heck, Darkwing Duck isn't the only better Disney Channel option. Kim Possible would be a really cool addition to the game as well.

[2Disney4Ever]

I wouldn't exactly call the visuals of Gravity Falls "superb". Maybe not the worse I've been seeing for cartoons nowadays (Kick Buttowski on Disney XD was just absolute garbage), but I still find the animation weird looking, too simplistic, and "not Disney enough" for my tastes. The characters also don't have the kind of visual appeal that Phineas and Ferb pulled off so well.

The Disney Afternoon on the other hand hosted a TON of cartoons with superb traditional Disney style visuals for television, comparable to the Steven Spielberg produced cartoons of the 90's, and were some of the best looking shows they've done. So if today's generation of kids are always used to seeing the Gravity Falls type of animation on television today, then I feel sorry for them, cause I know from the kind of TV animation I grew up with as a kid that they could be watching a whole lot better.

Lots of people that like older things can and do also find newer things that they like. The criteria, as it should be for old or new, is is it any good? Is it worth my time?

Well, let's see...

From my own experience, I've found most 2D television animation today to have extremely cheap visual quality and cheaply drawn, unappealing character designs, so no, I don't find most of today's cartoons any good, and I don't find them worth my time. I watch so many of the older cartoons now because I find the difference in quality compared to today to be quite obvious, and Phineas and Ferb was like that rare gem in today's cartoons that I did really like and find to be any good.

So aside from that, I can't say that I find a lot of good animation anymore on TV like I did in the 80's and 90's.

[Tangled]

I wouldn't exactly call the visuals of Gravity Falls "superb". Maybe not the worse I've been seeing for cartoons nowadays (Kick Buttowski on Disney XD was just absolute garbage), but I still find the animation weird looking, too simplistic, and "not Disney enough" for my tastes. The characters also don't have the kind of visual appeal that Phineas and Ferb pulled off so well.

"Not Disney enough" =/= "bad". In my opinion, Gravity Falls' visuals is superb because of how well it does ambience. The backgrounds are gorgeously lush and packed with detail. It has some of the best lighting and other effects work I've seen in a hand-drawn animated show for television.

So if today's generation of kids are always used to seeing the Gravity Falls type of animation on television today, then I feel sorry for them, cause I know from the kind of TV animation I grew up with as a kid that they could be watching a whole lot better.

Why were they better? Because you feel nostalgic for them? Because they were in the "Disney-style", while Gravity Falls seperates itself from the norm? I get that the 90s were better for quantity, but quality is subjective. There's no need to feel sorry for the people who find the diamonds in the rough, like Gravity Falls, and other worthwhile modern cartoons on non-Disney channels. None of them are really reminiscent of Disney Afternoon, but that's not a bad thing.

[2Disney4Ever]

I wouldn't exactly call the visuals of Gravity Falls "superb". Maybe not the worse I've been seeing for cartoons nowadays (Kick Buttowski on Disney XD was just absolute garbage), but I still find the animation weird looking, too simplistic, and "not Disney enough" for my tastes. The characters also don't have the kind of visual appeal that Phineas and Ferb pulled off so well.

"Not Disney enough" =/= "bad". In my opinion, Gravity Falls' visuals is superb because of how well it does ambience. The backgrounds are gorgeously lush and packed with detail. It has some of the best lighting and other effects work I've seen in a hand-drawn animated show for television.

Well backgrounds is one thing, I suppose. But I still don't really like the overall drawing style.

[disneyphilip]

Why were they better? Because you feel nostalgic for them? Because they were in the "Disney-style", while Gravity Falls seperates itself from the norm? I get that the 90s were better for quantity, but quality is subjective. There's no need to feel sorry for the people who find the diamonds in the rough, like Gravity Falls, and other worthwhile modern cartoons on non-Disney channels. None of them are really reminiscent of Disney Afternoon, but that's not a bad thing.

Plus, kinda like what someone else said in another thread, many of the later Disney animated TV shows tried too hard to mimic the traditional Disney animated feature styles on limited budgets, resulting in the characters often looking rather off-model, improperly-colored and not-so-well-animated (TV Animation productions are usually given smaller budgets to work with anyway, compared to the more big-budget stuff that Walt Disney Animation Studios usually gets to do) and that the animation styles used in a lot of the more recent TV Animation programs (Gravity Falls, Phineas & Ferb, Wander Over Yonder, the Mickey Mouse shorts, etc.) make better use of the low budgets, in addition to being more well-written compared to a lot of the later TV shows of the 90s and early 2000's.

[2Disney4Ever]

^ Dude, the animation of those new Mickey Mouse cartoons is garbage! You're blind if you can't see that.

And don't give me that "tried too hard" stuff when talking about the older cartoons, because unlike the way a lot of today's cartoons are drawn, people who were doing 2D animation for television back then actually were trying.

[disneyphilip]

I'm not a big fan of modern Disney anything for the most part.

Shame on you for that, then.

They seem ashamed almost of their heritage these days and seem more focused on pushing I.P.'s that they have bought or tween drivel over anything else.

That is not true and you know that!

And despite all the praise, I'm not a fan of the new Mickey Mouse shorts. I want to be, but they actually offend me a little.

Shame on you hating those fantastic new shorts! And shame on you for being offended by them, because there is NOTHING offensive about them at all--they're VERY true to the classic shorts, even moreso than the Mouse Works/House of Mouse ones! Become a fan of them anyway and support them so Mickey and his friends don't get Flanderized again, like they did on that stupid Mickey Mouse Clubhouse!

[disneyphilip]

^ Dude, the animation of those new Mickey Mouse cartoons is garbage! You're blind if you can't see that.

And don't give me that "tried too hard" stuff when talking about the older cartoons, because unlike the way a lot of today's cartoons are drawn, people who were doing 2D animation for television back then actually were trying.

Sorry, but it's true. And YOU are the one who's blind, not me! You have also missed the point of what I said and you've got some nerve setting foot in here again after all the trouble you caused in the past.

Plus, the animation in the new Mickey shorts is BEAUTIFUL! If there's anything that's garbage, it is YOU, 2Disney! And you hating on modern high-quality 2D shows like Mickey Mouse, Gravity Falls, etc. only proves that you are also a hypocrite because you praise the heck out of 2D animation, yet you fail to see the true goodness in those newer shows. And you call yourself 2D animation supporter..

[2Disney4Ever]

disneyphilip, I think you need to just stop right now. You're getting this thread off-topic more than I am.

You are not even worth my time to argue with anyway. You just don't understand that just because I'm a 2D animation supporter doesn't automatically mean that I will say that every cartoon that's 2D is good or don't expect real quality in how those cartoons are drawn or animated. I know what "beautiful" animation looks like. I grew up with it watching all the old Mickey Mouse cartoons from Walt Disney. Those cartoons are the ones with the high-quality, and I can assure you that those new cartoons you like so much don't live up to their kind of art at all.

But anyway, this thread is about Disney Infinity, NOT "old cartoons vs new cartoons", so I suggest we put this argument to rest.

[disneyphilip]

disneyphilip, I think you need to just stop right now. You're getting this thread off-topic more than I am.

No. You're the one who derailed this topic already.

[DisneyFan09]

I wouldn't exactly call the visuals of Gravity Falls "superb". Maybe not the worse I've been seeing for cartoons nowadays (Kick Buttowski on Disney XD was just absolute garbage), but I still find the animation weird looking, too simplistic, and "not Disney enough" for my tastes. The characters also don't have the kind of visual appeal that Phineas and Ferb pulled off so well.

Agreed, but I don't consider it to be the worst either. I prefer that style over the Disney Junior style and the new Mickey Mouse style. I also detest the style of the upcoming "The Lion Guard" and "Tangled" series.

The Disney Afternoon on the other hand hosted a TON of cartoons with superb traditional Disney style visuals for television, comparable to the Steven Spielberg produced cartoons of the 90's, and were some of the best looking shows they've done.

Agreed.

[disneyphilip]

I wouldn't exactly call the visuals of Gravity Falls "superb". Maybe not the worse I've been seeing for cartoons nowadays (Kick Buttowski on Disney XD was just absolute garbage), but I still find the animation weird looking, too simplistic, and "not Disney enough" for my tastes. The characters also don't have the kind of visual appeal that Phineas and Ferb pulled off so well.

Agreed, but I don't consider it to be the worst either. I prefer that style over the Disney Junior style and the new Mickey Mouse style. I also detest the style of the upcoming "The Lion Guard" and "Tangled" series.

The Disney Afternoon on the other hand hosted a TON of cartoons with superb traditional Disney style visuals for television, comparable to the Steven Spielberg produced cartoons of the 90's, and were some of the best looking shows they've done.

Agreed.

Shame on you for your unwarranted hatred over the amazing new Mickey Mouse style.

And shame on your for agreeing with that menace to society known as 2Disney4Ever. Please ban him already, Admins!

[DisneyFan09]

Shame on you for your unwarranted hatred over the amazing new Mickey Mouse style.

And shame on your for agreeing with that menace to society known as 2Disney4Ever. Please ban him already, Admins!

Are you trolling or are you being serious?

Either way, chillax dude! People are allowed to express their opinions without being scolded for it. I'm sorry if I offended you, but I have the right to dislike/like what I want. And the same for agreement.

[Atlantica]

I hope Ariel can make her way into the game sometime soon ... though I wonder if the creators are still struggling with the water element like they said previously ?

[unprincess]

is there any truth that they wont do animal characters with 4 legs b/c 4 legs are hard to animate with the models they use or something like that? I read that on 4 chan. Yeah I know its 4 chan but still, it does seem so far they've avoided most quadruped characters and that doesn't bode well for many characters of films like Jungle Book, Lion King and the dog films.

as for the tv animation argument well let me just say i usually dont like the faux retro minimalism style thats so popular right now for tv animation. Im not saying I dont like stylized animation b/c I loved Secret of Kells and thats pretty stylized but usually its not something I prefer to watch. That said I do think the new Mickeys are cute and nicely done, but then again Ive only seen a few and its not something Id desperately tune in to the DC to watch or plan to ever buy a dvd/bluray set of anytime soon. But Id much prefer something like another Prince and the Pauper(and when are we ever going to get a decent widescreen home release version of that featurette anyway?)

[Disney's Divinity]

I hope Ariel can make her way into the game sometime soon ... though I wonder if the creators are still struggling with the water element like they said previously ?

I hope so, too. Not because I play, but I'd like to get the figure they release. I read that Ursula is coming? I've mostly ignored the figures released so far, but just skimming through the ones they have on Amazon, I believe I'll get Aladdin, Donald, and maybe Sorcerer Mickey. Did they ever release figures for Cruella and Mulan? Because I couldn't find them.

For me personally, and I'm sure there are plenty others here who feel the same, I'm not a big fan of modern Disney anything for the most part. They seem ashamed almost of their heritage these days and seem more focused on pushing I.P.'s that they have bought or tween drivel over anything else.

That said, while I'm a bigger fan of classic Disney, there are actual Disney projects from the last few years I enjoy.

I agree with this. I can dislike most things about modern Disney, but still find a few things here and there that I can enjoy. And old wasn't always gold either.

[kenai3000]

I hope Ariel can make her way into the game sometime soon ... though I wonder if the creators are still struggling with the water element like they said previously ?

I hope so, too. Not because I play, but I'd like to get the figure they release. I read that Ursula is coming? I've mostly ignored the figures released so far, but just skimming through the ones they have on Amazon, I believe I'll get Aladdin, Donald, and maybe Sorcerer Mickey. Did they ever release figures for Cruella and Mulan? Because I couldn't find them.

There's no Cruella yet. Mulan will be in 3.0 though at launch she will be a Best buy exclusive for 1 month then she comes out everywhere else.

[kenai3000]

I hope Ariel can make her way into the game sometime soon ... though I wonder if the creators are still struggling with the water element like they said previously ?

I hope so, too. Not because I play, but I'd like to get the figure they release. I read that Ursula is coming? I've mostly ignored the figures released so far, but just skimming through the ones they have on Amazon, I believe I'll get Aladdin, Donald, and maybe Sorcerer Mickey. Did they ever release figures for Cruella and Mulan? Because I couldn't find them.

There's no Cruella yet. Mulan will be in 3.0 though at launch she will be a Best buy exclusive for 1 month then she comes out everywhere else.