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Sotiris wrote:
jazzflower92 wrote:Huh, I don't think anyone has any evidence it was them.
No, there are no evidence; it's just an educated guess on my part. When Andreas was asked to tell who those two were, he laughed and said "You would love that, wouldn't you?". Also, the way he stressed "top top" management is telling. The fact there were two executives together is also suspicious because at the time Lasseter and Catmull came and went to the studio together. Also, during that time, there weren't any other top management people that Andreas would know well enough to feel saddened and disappointed by their behavior. Add all of these to the fact that Lasseter and Catmull are major hypocrites who pretend to be friends with the creatives only to stab them in the back when it suits them, there's no doubt in my mind they were the two management people Andreas was talking about.
The ron the death eater treatment is really coloring people's views.
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jazzflower92 wrote:The ron the death eater treatment is really coloring people's views.
I think that fanboy denial and blind allegiance to two criminals is what's coloring people's views. :)
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Sotiris wrote:
jazzflower92 wrote:The ron the death eater treatment is really coloring people's views.
I think that fanboy denial and blind allegiance to two criminals is what's coloring people's views. :)
Labeling them criminals is making a mountain out of a molehill.
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jazzflower92 wrote:Labeling them criminals is making a mountain out of a molehill.
No, it's the truth. Ed Catmull committed a crime, a big one too, ergo he's a criminal. Lasseter was a willing accomplice to said crime, which is a crime in itself, ergo he's a criminal too. These are FACTS.
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I agree with Sotiris, yep. Read up on the animation wage theft scandal. Nasty stuff.

and I love that Andreas addressed the "but Walt was a innovator!" comment that so many people throw as an excuse to why it was ok for the company to drop 2d. I agree that Walt wouldnt have just completely abandoned making fully hand drawn films, and the company is wealthy enough to have been able to support two different mediums. As I have stated before, it would have meant lessening the amount of 2d films released as opposed to CGI, and maybe a slightly lower budget, but at least they wouldnt have abandoned their legacy.
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... Okay, reading all this really angers me and makes me view Lasseter in an even more negative light. He claims he loves hand-drawn and yet he hinders its existence more than ever.

If that doesn't scream "hypocrisy at its worst", I don't know what will.
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@Sotiris: I think that’s likely. I was wondering later after reading this--“Why wouldn’t Lasseter have been there…?” Considering all those things he said about the legacy of hand-drawn animation, etc. when making TP&TF.

I'm not surprised, even though it's sad to read/hear. It's just another example of the people at the top not caring about people or legacies (at an animated studio or anywhere else for that matter). After all that nonsense with Brenda Chapman, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the people he was referring to was Lasseter.
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The end is nigh! :huh: :biting:

Hayao Miyazaki Makes CG-Animated Short for Ghibli Museum
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... eum/.89803

Hayao Miyazaki Works With CG Animator Yuhei Sakuragi
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... agi/.93256
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aw dang it... well I guess even he got a little curious about what he could do with CGI.

here's some more positive news, Im sure many of you are Iron Giant fans, well they are reissuing the film in a few theaters with 2 new sequences, yes hand drawn sequences! Even cooler, the new segments are made by Duncan Studios, as in Ken Duncan, Disney hand-drawn animator who worked on Disney ladies Meg, Jane & Capt. Amelia!

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/feature-film ... 15656.html

I hope they eventually release this version on Blu-ray b/c Im not sure if it will play in my area. :(
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jazzflower92 wrote:Labeling them criminals is making a mountain out of a molehill.
This is not an attempt to insult you, Jazzflower92, but it's remarkable that you're constantly objecting the negative statements about Lasseter and his current influence on Disney on this board, without delivering your own argument about why you have the opposite opinion. And worse is that you're being repetive about it! You're allowed to like Lasseter and his mentality, but you could at least state why you consider it/him to be so good and why you're constantly objecting against the opposite claims.
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this was a panel about disney 2d animation, so a couple of the 2d animators who were still with disney working on moana said that they were trying to get their input onto the film as much as possible, but while the beginning of the film has a definite 2d influence, the rest of the film doesn’t as much (as in their input was getting ignored i guess)
originally moanas curls were supposed to be very very tight, but they wanted some dramatic shots of her hair blowing in the wind so they had to loosen her curls a bit (they seemed a bit upset by this)
they’ve already started to do 2d animation tests with maui (dwayne johnson’s character) but we probably won't get those for another couple of years (same as with those anna animation tests that are on tumblr)

http://aspoonfulofdisneymagic.tumblr.co ... ilers-from
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You can watch the "Disney Animators: The Power of 2D" panel at SDCC in its entirety below.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0kiun93Gjg[/youtube]
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There's absolutely no sound on that video.
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Id love to watch this but yeah, cant hear a thing. :(

I hope the comments about the beginning of Moana being more influenced by 2d means that it has an opening segment with more 2d style animation. I just hope they do something innovative with the animation in this film, the setting would certainly allow for experimentation of more naturalistic hand drawn styles...
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Randy Haycock (The Lion King to Moana) said he was thrilled when asked to 2D drawings for the Oscar-winning Frozen. "CG animators were excited and inspired," he told Leslie Combemale (Animation & Film Art Gallery), who sponsored and moderated the panel. "The level of animation has been elevated since Glen. Draw-overs allow them to get a third vision of the characters. They think like we do. Further collaboration for character animation is an advantage at Disney."

However, the experience of Dale Baer (Robin Hood to Moana) has not been as fulfilling. He misses having 2D at the forefront of animation in which every pose was influenced by it, as exemplified by Milt Kahl. "A lot of it is getting lost," he said. "I don't like the separate camp mentality. They aren't working together. More involvement and collaboration with each department will help problem solve to make the films look better."

Tom Sito, who chairs animation at USC and just hired Eric Goldberg to teach character animation, credits Pixar with successfully implementing the artistic with the technical in complementary ways, and this has carried over to Disney, where "tricks have been implemented in CG. He recalled Eric Larson describing Disney animation as "Life plus." It's caricature that's pushed. And so is the best CG animation, including the performance capture perfected at Weta Digital. Sito even gave a shout out to their animators: "Andy Serkis is great but character animators brought Gollum to life."

Mike Polvani (Hercules, 2D Animation School founder) echoed Haycock and Sito. "There's room for both. I want to pass along the ability to draw to give clarity to the performance and aesthetics and enhance the CG."
Source: http://blogs.indiewire.com/animationsco ... y-20150717
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DisneyFan09 wrote:There's absolutely no sound on that video.
I've replaced the video with one with sound. It's working fine, now.
unprincess wrote:I hope the comments about the beginning of Moana being more influenced by 2D means that it has an opening segment with more 2D style animation.
Nope, those comments were off-base. This is all it was said about Moana at the panel.
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Aaaaw, thanks.
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There's an exciting French hand-drawn animated feature coming in 2016 called "Dofus". You can watch the trailer, here.

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^isnt that based on a French tv show, Wakfu or something? they talk about it a lot on /co/4-chan, lol. It has a nice soft pseudo-anime style. Id watch it if I knew what the heck was going on.
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It definitely looks like Wakfu.
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