Hand-Drawn Animation Dead at Disney

[Walter]

But of course, if the movies are as well-written and original as Wreck-It-Ralph, modern nostalgia-heavy musicals like Frozen, and as exciting and funny as Big Hero 6 looks, we might not even demand it as much anymore.

I certainly have not, after the last 2 Disney films, plus HTTYD2, have made me a lot more accepting of the medium. As long as the films are entertaining, that is what ultimately matters in the end.

[jazzflower92]

I think CGI movies have been currently growing the beard these past few years; going from just copying the Shrek formula of having pop culture jokes and toilet humor to actually focusing on action, drama, and story.

[unprincess]

They ARE being honest with themselves, so drop it!

well no theyre not.
Look, using 2d animation to help develop cgi fims is not the same thing as making a full length 2d animated films. When 2d fans say we miss seeing 2d animation at Disney, we arent talking about preproduction test reels, or experimental projects or story mock ups, nor flash animated shorts being made by the tv division for the Disney Channel. We are refering to full length theatrical films, you now, like Lion King & Cinderella... we are not morons, we know the difference & they know we know the difference. It insults our intelligence when they keep insisting 2d is not dead when everyone knows the truth...Id rather they just be honest...but I understand why they cant.

Im not going to call most of the guys who work there cowards,(especially M&C) b/c they really have no choice if they want to keep their jobs. All they can do is come up with the best excuse they can that they feel will placate the 2d fans while not blaming the suits. They cant be honest b/c it will get their asses fired. Must be such a soul crushing thing to be an animator for a Hollywood studio these days...

[Disney's Divinity]

But of course, if the movies are as well-written and original as Wreck-It-Ralph, modern nostalgia-heavy musicals like Frozen, and as exciting and funny as Big Hero 6 looks, we might not even demand it as much anymore.

Face it, the last Disney CGI attempts have been more than solid. Even Tangled has its charm (but it really was overrated).

I don't think a movie's quality has anything to do with a preference of medium. I may like a 3D film's story and characters, but that doesn't mean the medium itself is as beautiful (or as suitable for the story) as hand-drawn for me and I don't think that will change.

Besides, we can't "demand" anything, since even directors have no power over what Disney decides to do. 2D is essentially "dead/banned," whatever you want to call it, I'm not sure why people want to dance around the reality of the situation for the medium at Disney.

[disneyphilip]

They ARE being honest with themselves, so drop it!

well no theyre not

Yes, they ARE!

For the last time, they ARE being honest with themselves, so knock it off already, please!

As someone else here just stated, 2D is not banned. They're just not making any 2D theatrical films right now, besides shorts like Paperman and Get a Horse.

Plus, the TV Animation projects like the new Mickey shorts ARE 2D just the same, whether they be Flash or not.

[disneyphilip]

It's not fair that those stupid fickle people ignoring the greatest movie of The Princess & the Frog. Those pathetic executives needs to stop blaming the medium for low box office sales. And I hope Moana will be their last CGI movie. And after that, get back to hand drawn animation or the ghost of Walt Disney will haunt them every night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6UfcP5Ib0

P.S. Walt is not frozen dead, he's cremated. End of story.

1) The executives are NOT pathetic and not blaming the medium in the slightest possible manner!

2) Walt was not cremated. He was buried.

[2Disney4Ever]

But of course, if the movies are as well-written and original as Wreck-It-Ralph, modern nostalgia-heavy musicals like Frozen, and as exciting and funny as Big Hero 6 looks, we might not even demand it as much anymore.

Face it, the last Disney CGI attempts have been more than solid. Even Tangled has its charm (but it really was overrated).

Well for me that's a load of baloney because I was still outraged at Frozen for not being hand-drawn, and if these movies really make people not want to care about the art of 2D animation anymore, then that is just a serious problem.

It makes no difference to me how much or how little effort is put into them. They're still bad movies because they're killing off and replacing 2D animation at Disney, and their animation department shouldn't have any business making these kind of movies anyway when they were brought up to be a hand-drawn studio. Almost all CG movies now are bad in a way if they exist to kill off 2D animation.

Im not going to call most of the guys who work there cowards,(especially M&C) b/c they really have no choice if they want to keep their jobs.

I think they do have a choice. If I was an animator/director today in someone else's shoes and I deeply loved 2D animation, I would either stand up for the right to make 2D movies and refuse to work on a film if they're going to force us to do it in CGI (and voluntarily quit the studio if I had to), or I could lend my support to those CG movies while contributing myself to a studio agenda to phase out 2D animation that I should know deep down is wrong. I'm sure some would say "Well, maybe they want to work on a CG movie!", but why should you want to be involved in something if you know that it's getting rid of 2D animation? I may have dreamed of being a Disney animator as a kid, but even I know when to say no to the animation business.

[rs_milo_whatever]

But of course, if the movies are as well-written and original as Wreck-It-Ralph, modern nostalgia-heavy musicals like Frozen, and as exciting and funny as Big Hero 6 looks, we might not even demand it as much anymore.

Face it, the last Disney CGI attempts have been more than solid. Even Tangled has its charm (but it really was overrated).

Well for me that's a load of baloney because I was still outraged at Frozen for not being hand-drawn, and if these movies really make people not want to care about the art of 2D animation anymore, then that is just a serious problem.

It makes no difference to me how much or how little effort is put into them. They're still bad movies because they're killing off and replacing 2D animation at Disney, and their animation department shouldn't have any business making these kind of movies anyway when they were brought up to be a hand-drawn studio. Almost all CG movies now are bad in a way if they exist to kill off 2D animation.

That's ridiculous. Do you ever go back and read your rationale?

[disneyphilip]

That's ridiculous. Do you ever go back and read your rationale?

I'm with you. 2Disney4Ever MUST stay out of these conversations. He always makes things worse!


*Moderator's note: Removed personal attack.*

[TsWade2]

well no theyre not

Yes, they ARE!

For the last time, they ARE being honest with themselves, so knock it off already, please!

As someone else here just stated, 2D is not banned. They're just not making any 2D theatrical films right now, besides shorts like Paperman and Get a Horse.

Plus, the TV Animation projects like the new Mickey shorts ARE 2D just the same, whether they be Flash or not.

Look disneyphilip, we appreciate that you're standing up to Disney. That's very nice of you. Sadly however, this is how we feel about Disney right now. That's fine if they don't have any in the works right now, but sometimes we don't think their being honest to themselves and that's why I get so obsess with Disney to do another 2D hand drawn animated movie, and this thread always get under my skin. Thanks a lot, Sotiris! Now, don't give me wrong, I'm excited for Big Hero 6 and everybody loves Paul Rudish's Mickey Mouse Shorts. Well.......almost everybody.

It's one thing to have seen the classic era cartoons and be inspired by them, but it's another thing to want to make the new shorts look as good as those, as best as possible at least. If Paul Rudish really thinks he's replicating the classic style of Mickey, then I don't think he's doing it right.

The point is, despite of our disagreement on what Disney is doing right now, we still love Disney and always will be.

[2Disney4Ever]

The point is, despite of our disagreement on what Disney is doing right now, we still love Disney and always will be.

Yes, I still love Disney: the 90's Eisner era Disney that knew it was all about hand-drawn animation and wasn't corrupted by CGI until Chicken Little was made. I'll always be a fan of that Disney.

[disneyphilip]

Look disneyphilip, we appreciate that you're standing up to Disney. That's very nice of you. Sadly however, this is how we feel about Disney right now. That's fine if they don't have any in the works right now, but sometimes we don't think their being honest to themselves and that's why I get so obsess with Disney to do another 2D hand drawn animated movie, and this thread always get under my skin. Thanks a lot, Sotiris! Now, don't give me wrong, I'm excited for Big Hero 6 and everybody loves Paul Rudish's Mickey Mouse Shorts. Well.......almost everybody.

It's one thing to feel a certain way, but it's a totally thing to blurt out false accusations against the people in charge and accuse them of hating something. It's not nice and it only serves to hurt the points you're trying. Criticism needs to be constructive or else people like me will not take it seriously, which is why I get riled up at times like this and end up feeling obligated to stick up for the company rather than truly understand where folks like you come from.

If people like you and 2Disney4Ever would be more constructive, mature and rational in your criticisms and refrain from name-calling, bad-mouthing the higher-ups or dismissing all of Disney's CG films as bad just because they're not hand-drawn, I'd be FAR more likely to take it.

(Then again, some people like 2Disney will NEVER EVER be constructive, mature or rational with his criticisms.)

It's one thing to have seen the classic era cartoons and be inspired by them, but it's another thing to want to make the new shorts look as good as those, as best as possible at least. If Paul Rudish really thinks he's replicating the classic style of Mickey, then I don't think he's doing it right.

The point is, despite of our disagreement on what Disney is doing right now, we still love Disney and always will be.

Such is not the case with 2Disney. Besides, Paul Rudish IS doing it right and he DOES understand the characters and the animation and style are perfect what they are and do it all justice, in addition to being well-written (story is still more important than the animation anyway)! Plus, Rudish's Mickey's ARE true to the classic shorts of the 20's and 30's!

And he needs to stop hating Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph, Frozen and all other CG films as well as the fantastic Paul Rudish Mickey series for all the wrong reasons like he does.

[Sotiris]

@disneyphilip: I have removed your attack against 2Disney4Ever. You made inappropriate comments against him in another thread too. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Consider yourself warned. Also, you need to stop abusing the "report this post" feature. You can't report posts just because you don't like what they say. They need to violate the forum rules to do so. We've talked to you about this many times before. Get your act together.

@TsWade2: No one is forcing you to view and post in this thread. If this thread is upsetting to you, don't read it. It's that simple. You have no one else to blame here but yourself.

[disneyphilip]

I have removed your attack against 2Disney4Ever. You made inappropriate comments against him in another thread too. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Consider yourself warned. Also, you need to stop abusing the "report this post" feature. You can't report posts just because you don't like what they say. They need to violate the forum rules to do so. We've talked to you about this many times before. Get your act together.

You have to ban 2Disney4Ever. Almost everybody here has no patience for him and his attitude problems. He's so annoying!

[Sotiris]

You have to ban 2Disney4Ever. Almost everybody here has no patience for him and his attitude problems.

1) You don't get to decide who gets banned. That's not up to you. 2) We're aware of the issue with 2Disney4Ever and we contacted him about it. 3) If posts by any member bother you that much you can use the Friends & Foes feature to have their posts blocked.

Walt was not cremated. He was buried.

You're wrong. He was indeed cremated.

[disneyprincess11]

You're wrong. He was indeed cremated.

No, you idiot. His head is frozen in a secret freezer

[disneyphilip]

You're wrong. He was indeed cremated.

No, YOU'RE wrong! He's not cremated. He WAS buried, specifically at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California.

Here's proof:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... r&GRid=284

[Sotiris]

No, YOU'RE wrong! He's not cremated. He WAS buried, specifically at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California.

He was cremated and then his cremains were interred in a vault there.

[TsWade2]

You're wrong. He was indeed cremated.

No, YOU'RE wrong! He's not cremated. He WAS buried, specifically at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California.

Here's proof:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... r&GRid=284

Wow! Just wow! Sotiris is right. He is cremated.

[Vlad]

No, YOU'RE wrong! He's not cremated. He WAS buried, specifically at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California.

Here's proof:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... r&GRid=284

Wow! Just wow! Sotiris is right. He is cremated.

Seriously??? A thread about Disney Animation has turned into an argument about whether Walt was cremated or not????