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Atlantica wrote:Is Elsa that much more popular than Anna you think? I mean from merchandise sales etc.
Well...
Last week, when Disney re-released the dolls here's how long they lasted:

Classic 12" Elsa - 10-50 minutes.
Singing 17" Elsa - Less than 12 hours.

Classic 12" Anna - More than 2 days (i think)
Singing 17" Anna - About a day.

Also, my local Disney Store had like 5 or 6 Anna costumes left and displayed. The Elsa ones sell out within an hour of opening.

Elsa's merchandise is constantly sold out within 12 hours or less.
I should know, cause after 3 months of chasing after a singing doll i finally got one and it arrived damaged. Funny thing is, Disney doesn't keep any safety stock. They sell what they get and that's it. Kinda sad.
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Wow, Elsa is obviously the one people are loving then! I didn't realise there was a kind of split between the two, I just thought they were as popular as each other.
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Just seen frozen for the first time. What a wonderful movie it is. Also really love miss Erkenning
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About the Elsa merchandise, it kinda makes sense why she'd be more popular. She's the one with "super human" powers. Especially nowadays when things like The Avengers flash a predominantly male team, many companies are afraid to have more girls than boys watch their superhero show, and Wonder Woman has yet to launch a movie, it's very nice for a girl to have a role model with powers.

And who, you know, sings. :lol:

Makes me curious about Big Hero 6 toy sales...
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Rob DisneyLover wrote:Just seen frozen for the first time. What a wonderful movie it is. Also really love miss Erkenning
Willemijn Verkaiks preformance as Elza.
Glad you liked it! Willemijn is indeed an amazing performer. I might even like her more than Idina (even though I'm a little biased since I saw Willemijn live).

Did you see the Dutch or the German version? She's the voice of Elsa in both.
Wow, Elsa is obviously the one people are loving then! I didn't realise there was a kind of split between the two, I just thought they were as popular as each other.
I also didn't know! That's interesting, though not that surprising I guess. Elsa is pretty much the breakout character of the movie. That, and probably because of 'Let it go'. :wink:

Also, does Frozen merchandise really sell out that fast in the US? I don't think it's as populair here in The Netherlands. While people like Frozen, the hype has died down here. Is Frozen really still that populair in other countries?
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supertalies wrote: Also, does Frozen merchandise really sell out that fast in the US? I don't think it's as populair here in The Netherlands. While people like Frozen, the hype has died down here. Is Frozen really still that populair in other countries?
Frozen Merchandise on average lasts around 3 hours in the US online store.
It's been like that since December.
And the quality of the merchandise has been deteriorating since they're quickly trying to make them.
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Warm Regards wrote:About the Elsa merchandise, it kinda makes sense why she'd be more popular. She's the one with "super human" powers.
I agree. She's also the one who sings "Let It Go," the best song from the film. Elsa is very unique among all the other princesses.

I actually haven't bought any Frozen merchandise myself. I might end up buying the Elsa and Anna Funko pops though.
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I guess that shows how well written she actually is, as she has barely any screen time compared to Anna. Its funny how Anna realistically is the main character, though the movie is really about Elsa … and Elsa is the one with the theme song to the film.

I wonder if in the show in Disney Land or on stage, the sisters will duet on 'Let It Go' ? To get Anna in on the song as well.

In the UK I don't get the impression Frozen outsells anything else in particular in the Disney store; at the moment there were large sections given over to Ariel (Summer princess etc), The Pirate Fairy, Frozen, and Tangled. All seemingly split quite equally.
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I still dont have a Disney Store Elsa or Kristoff doll. :(
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Elizabeth Lail and Scott Michael Foster are Anna and Kristoff in OUAT.

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What a tease! I was expecting some pencil tests, not concept arts I can see in The Art of Frozen. :|
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Disneyphile wrote:Frozen as a hand-drawn film.
http://www.hypable.com/2014/07/01/froze ... ncept-art/
I'm never going to forgive those idiots at Disney for what they did to this movie. People have no idea how angry it makes me to look at all it's great potential here as another hand-drawn film, and then have Disney cheat us out of it and quit 2D animation again for their own selfish reasons. Now whenever I see these characters, I always feel like I wanna punch them in their smug computer generated faces. Disney probably doesn't care about what they did anyway since the movie still appears to be a success to them and they're so busy relishing in it. They probably think that it justifies what they did and that it couldn't be successful if it was hand-drawn. Well THEY WOULDN'T LET IT BE HAND-DRAWN! If this movie had been hand-drawn it would have been rightfully successful and Disney would have actually deserved it. But no, instead of being another movie for Disney to show people the value of hand-drawn animation as an art, they took that away from us again and made this be another movie to push the whole studio agenda that only CG movies can be good anymore.

I hate them. And their CG perversion of The Snow Queen can go suck an egg for all I care.
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2Disney4Ever wrote:
Disneyphile wrote:Frozen as a hand-drawn film.
http://www.hypable.com/2014/07/01/froze ... ncept-art/
I'm never going to forgive those idiots at Disney for what they did to this movie. People have no idea how angry it makes me to look at all it's great potential here as another hand-drawn film, and then have Disney cheat us out of it and quit 2D animation again for their own selfish reasons. Now whenever I see these characters, I always feel like I wanna punch them in their smug computer generated faces. Disney probably doesn't care about what they did anyway since the movie still appears to be a success to them and they're so busy relishing in it. They probably think that it justifies what they did and that it couldn't be successful if it was hand-drawn. Well THEY WOULDN'T LET IT BE HAND-DRAWN! If this movie had been hand-drawn it would have been rightfully successful and Disney would have actually deserved it. But no, instead of being another movie for Disney to show people the value of hand-drawn animation as an art, they took that away from us again and made this be another movie to push the whole studio agenda that only CG movies can be good anymore.

I hate them. And their CG perversion of The Snow Queen can go suck an egg for all I care.
So basically you're saying that you would love Frozen the way it is (story, characters, songs and what not), but as a 2D movie?
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kenai3000 wrote:So basically you're saying that you would love Frozen the way it is (story, characters, songs and what not), but as a 2D movie?
I'm not going to accept the movie that they gave us. That's for certain. Not when they had to discriminate on hand-drawn animation and make the movie be something it shouldn't have to be because they think it's the only way that movie can be good. The fact that they wouldn't even let it go through as 2D and had to make it be something else is just absolutely insulting to those who value that medium, and it was insulting to me too. I don't want their CG perversion of the movie. I want the 2D movie we should have gotten.
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2Disney4Ever wrote:
Disneyphile wrote:Frozen as a hand-drawn film.
http://www.hypable.com/2014/07/01/froze ... ncept-art/
I'm never going to forgive those idiots at Disney for what they did to this movie. People have no idea how angry it makes me to look at all it's great potential here as another hand-drawn film, and then have Disney cheat us out of it and quit 2D animation again for their own selfish reasons. Now whenever I see these characters, I always feel like I wanna punch them in their smug computer generated faces. Disney probably doesn't care about what they did anyway since the movie still appears to be a success to them and they're so busy relishing in it. They probably think that it justifies what they did and that it couldn't be successful if it was hand-drawn. Well THEY WOULDN'T LET IT BE HAND-DRAWN! If this movie had been hand-drawn it would have been rightfully successful and Disney would have actually deserved it. But no, instead of being another movie for Disney to show people the value of hand-drawn animation as an art, they took that away from us again and made this be another movie to push the whole studio agenda that only CG movies can be good anymore.

I hate them. And their CG perversion of The Snow Queen can go suck an egg for all I care.
That's freaking it. I'm BLOCKING you. You are ridiculous! It's CGI. SO WHAT? It's just animation. It's one little detail. The movie is wonderful even if it was 2D. Another reason why they did it in CGI IS BECAUSE OF THE ICE AND SNOW. And I can see why. 2D would never catch the beauty of ice and snow.

You're so missing too much. Not only Frozen. You're missing BH6, Wreck-It Ralph, Tangled, Toy Story 3, and MU. And even non-Disney movies like the HTTYD movies, Rise of the Guardians, Lego Movie, Shrek etc. You're missing so much because of one choice. It's 2014, dude. Let 2D animation go because not one movie now is 2D. CGI movies are just as good as 2D movies. Why should it matter what animation it should be? If the story and writing is good, that's good enough for me.

It's called change and it's called life. You wanted Frozen to be 2D? Well, I wanted to do the Disney College program this fall, but hey because of life, I can't.

We all want 2D animation to come back. We all really do. But until Disney realizes "Hey, PATF & WTP failed because of story and the release dates, not of 2D", it's no going to happen. For now, move on in your life and stop worrying about 2D animation. And really, if you are not going to say one thing positive here, don't post anything at all. I'm not asking you to leave to forum, I'm asking you to keep your mouth to shut if you don't have anything to say!
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disneyprincess11 wrote:Another reason why they did it in CGI IS BECAUSE OF THE ICE AND SNOW. And I can see why. 2D would never catch the beauty of ice and snow.
News flash: Animated films do not have to look hyper-realistic all the time to capture the beauty of things. Just look at all the gorgeous hand-painted backgrounds found in older Disney movies like Bambi and how beautiful the snow looks in that film.
disneyprincess11 wrote:You're so missing too much. Not only Frozen. You're missing BH6, Wreck-It Ralph, Tangled, Toy Story 3, and MU. And even non-Disney movies like the HTTYD movies, Rise of the Guardians, Lego Movie, Shrek etc. You're missing so much because of one choice. It's 2014, dude. Let 2D animation go because not one movie now is 2D. CGI movies are just as good as 2D movies. Why should it matter what animation it should be? If the story and writing is good, that's good enough for me.
I don't believe I've ever said anything regarding Pixar's movies. I don't care if they make CG movies for Disney or not. I just want Disney to stop making them, cause it's so stupid for both animation studios to be doing the exact same thing. And I don't like the CG movies of other studios like DreamWorks cause it's their fault there's too many CG movies in the first place, and it's their fault that Disney started giving up on 2D animation at all. It does not matter to me what year this is. 2D animation is a timeless art form, not some old relic to leave behind. To even suggest that we should "let 2D animation go" just shows how little you value it as an art that you don't believe it has a right to live on and exist.

And people's tired old argument that "story is the most important thing in an animated film" is just a subtly disguised excuse for why we can lose 2D animation and not care if we do. It's why Disney could probably get away with throwing out a whole artistic medium to die while everything is forced to be done in CGI, and still come out successful cause their writers may have put a lot of work into the story. And what does the writing ever have to do with the art form? Nothing. I don't care if Frozen does have the exact same story it had when it would have been a 2D film. I hate it for how 2D animation was treated in the process of making it, and for the reasoning that everything has to be CGI. I can't blame Pixar for their innovative passion of wanting to show people how good movies can look in computer animation, but it's not always about how good CGI is, because 2D animation is also good and that's a more important thing for people to know these days.

If you really think everything studios make from now on should be CGI and that 2D doesn't matter, then by all means: support a Disney that's willing to ditch 2D for CGI because they believe it's all people care about, and keep supporting all those CG movies of theirs. That way you'll be adding even more fuel to their fire so we won't get any closer to getting 2D animation back.
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I'm not getting involved with this, but I will say that Frozen, like Tangled and Bolt, overall would've looked better in 2D except for perhaps the scene in which Elsa builds her ice castle. The snow effects are beautiful, but so is Bambi and Dalmatians which both better capture the feel of a snowy environment than Frozen, imo. CL, WIR, and BH6 are better-suited for 3D though, MtR is a split for me.

EDIT: Thinking about it more, I think 3D definitely does better by ice specifically, where 2D is better in its depiction of snow.
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2Disney4Ever wrote:To even suggest that we should "let 2D animation go" just shows how little you value it as an art that you don't believe it has a right to live on and exist.
I never said Disney should stop making 2D movies. I say at the end I want it to come back. That ALL OF US want it to come back. Of course, I vaule it. But, I just don't care what the style is.
2Disney4Ever wrote:If you really think everything studios make from now on should be CGI and that 2D doesn't matter, then by all means: support a Disney that's willing to ditch 2D for CGI because they believe it's all people care about, and keep supporting all those CG movies of theirs. That way you'll be adding even more fuel to their fire so we won't get any closer to getting 2D animation back.
I'm supporting it because this is STILL Disney, no matter what form it is. Frozen and Tangled are 100% Disney in regards of songs and story-telling. The others are still Disney even if it's not the traditional. And like I said, I NEVER said 2D should die!
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disneyprincess11 wrote:
2Disney4Ever wrote:If you really think everything studios make from now on should be CGI and that 2D doesn't matter, then by all means: support a Disney that's willing to ditch 2D for CGI because they believe it's all people care about, and keep supporting all those CG movies of theirs. That way you'll be adding even more fuel to their fire so we won't get any closer to getting 2D animation back.
I'm supporting it because this is STILL Disney, no matter what form it is. Frozen and Tangled are 100% Disney in regards of songs and story-telling. The others are still Disney even if it's not the traditional. And like I said, I NEVER said 2D should die!
Well I'm not supporting Disney because I believe they're now a corrupted studio that, in the words of Mufasa's ghost, have "forgotten who they are". And what they were was a studio that was all about the art of traditional animation, not another Pixar clone in a sea of Pixar clones.
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