Anyone Bothered By The "Frozen" Blu-Ray/DVD Review?

[Lady Cluck]

I like Frozen for being a fun adventure. I like the music.

With Pocahontas...I'm mixed. It's very atmospheric (mostly the music, the backgrounds, and the scenes with Grandmother Willow), and I like that in a Disney film, but I just don't like the way history has been "romanticized" for the film. I don't care for the main characters, and I thought the film tackled the issues of the coloners and the native americans in a very..."black and white" way.

Otoh, comparing Frozen to the Lion King, I much prefer Frozen. It's very clunky in dialogue and so (seriously, how did Elsa get to that conclusion of "Love will thaw"? For that matter Anna could've spillt salt over Elsa and the same outcome would've happened).

However TLK just doesn't do it for me. The animation, colors, backgrounds and soundtrack are great, but I hate the songs, the humor, most of the comedic characters, I think Scar's a pathetic villain, and the second half is very hard to stomach.

I couldn't agree more. TLK is the most overrated Disney movie ever, not Frozen. The first half is great, but it quickly falls apart and never recovers in my opinion. The best character Mufasa dies (though I wouldn't change this plot point...no one else is nearly as dynamic as he is), Scar loses his edge and is diminished from great villain to pathetic mess, and Simba as an adult is just a whiny piece of shit. As far as comic relief side characters are concerned, at least Olaf never resorted to fart jokes, breaking the 4th wall, and dressing in drag to distract enemies. I can't imagine what the disgust with him would have been like if any of those things happened

Pocahontas being better than Frozen is laughable too. Sure, the animation is gorgeous and a couple of the songs are wonderful and iconic, but the characters are INCREDIBLY dull. I couldn't believe how wooden they were when I rewatched it recently. And yes the dialogue is clunky and awful, and I won't even get in to the historical inaccuracies and presenting the issue of white settlers raping the land like a cheesy after school special. The "we're all to blame" message of "Savages" is very offensive as well. As a kid I thought it was just as great as any other Disney movie but now I see it for what it really is. Disney went all out in trying to make a prestige piece for another Oscar nomination, and in the process forgot to put any heart and soul in to it. And of course blatantly ignored history and stomped all over an entire culture.

[unprincess]

You're right about Grandmother Willow. But I still consider it the language barrier solving to be lazy.

at least it made more sense than the ridiculous "we all speak romance languages so we can easily understand each other" excuse in Atlantis...

[DisneyFan09]

at least it made more sense than the ridiculous "we all speak romance languages so we can easily understand each other" excuse in Atlantis...

Really? I can't remember that. At least the language barrier was better solved in "Atlantis", since the Atlanteans actually could understand several languages.

[thelittleursula]

I couldn't agree more. TLK is the most overrated Disney movie ever, not Frozen. The first half is great, but it quickly falls apart and never recovers in my opinion. The best character Mufasa dies (though I wouldn't change this plot point...no one else is nearly as dynamic as he is), Scar loses his edge and is diminished from great villain to pathetic mess, and Simba as an adult is just a whiny piece of shit. As far as comic relief side characters are concerned, at least Olaf never resorted to fart jokes, breaking the 4th wall, and dressing in drag to distract enemies. I can't imagine what the disgust with him would have been like if any of those things happened

Agree so much with this. I don't hate TLK but damn is it ever overated. It's treated like a shiny precious movie and Disney's golden masterpiece when it has so many flaws. Hopefully Frozen doesn't become this. I think most people within the Frozen fandom, including me are okay with admitting it's flaws and it feeling rushed at times.

I disagree with the adult Simba bit though, he has a pretty good reason to be depressed and in denial about everything, loosing his dad and feeling like he's to blame, because of what Scar said, but that's going a little off topic.

Pocahontas being better than Frozen is laughable too. Sure, the animation is gorgeous and a couple of the songs are wonderful and iconic, but the characters are INCREDIBLY dull. I couldn't believe how wooden they were when I rewatched it recently. And yes the dialogue is clunky and awful, and I won't even get in to the historical inaccuracies and presenting the issue of white settlers raping the land like a cheesy after school special. The "we're all to blame" message of "Savages" is very offensive as well. As a kid I thought it was just as great as any other Disney movie but now I see it for what it really is. Disney went all out in trying to make a prestige piece for another Oscar nomination, and in the process forgot to put any heart and soul in to it. And of course blatantly ignored history and stomped all over an entire culture.

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[Musical Master]

I couldn't agree more. TLK is the most overrated Disney movie ever, not Frozen. The first half is great, but it quickly falls apart and never recovers in my opinion. The best character Mufasa dies (though I wouldn't change this plot point...no one else is nearly as dynamic as he is), Scar loses his edge and is diminished from great villain to pathetic mess, and Simba as an adult is just a whiny piece of shit. As far as comic relief side characters are concerned, at least Olaf never resorted to fart jokes, breaking the 4th wall, and dressing in drag to distract enemies. I can't imagine what the disgust with him would have been like if any of those things happened

Agree so much with this. I don't hate TLK but damn is it ever overated. It's treated like a shiny precious movie and Disney's golden masterpiece when it has so many flaws. Hopefully Frozen doesn't become this. I think most people within the Frozen fandom, including me are okay with admitting it's flaws and it feeling rushed at times.

I disagree with the adult Simba bit though, he has a pretty good reason to be depressed and in denial about everything, loosing his dad and feeling like he's to blame, because of what Scar said, but that's going a little off topic.

Pocahontas being better than Frozen is laughable too. Sure, the animation is gorgeous and a couple of the songs are wonderful and iconic, but the characters are INCREDIBLY dull. I couldn't believe how wooden they were when I rewatched it recently. And yes the dialogue is clunky and awful, and I won't even get in to the historical inaccuracies and presenting the issue of white settlers raping the land like a cheesy after school special. The "we're all to blame" message of "Savages" is very offensive as well. As a kid I thought it was just as great as any other Disney movie but now I see it for what it really is. Disney went all out in trying to make a prestige piece for another Oscar nomination, and in the process forgot to put any heart and soul in to it. And of course blatantly ignored history and stomped all over an entire culture.

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The Lion King to me, is alright, not great but not bad either with some good songs in it and Scar's fantastic character in the first act. Pocahontas gives me a strange "Hey Academy, I'm a serious animated movie, give me the Best Picture nomination now" sort of attitude throughout all of it.

I agree with Lady Cluck that the dialogue in that movie is very clunky and bad to the point that it makes Linda Woolverton's leaked script of Maleficent look like it was written by Stanley Kubrick in comparison.

[Avaitor]

The Lion King sure isn't overrated on here.

[Angeldude98]

Ok, so I didn't like the review because I loved the film. However, I have to agree with it that the blu-ray release is lousy in terms of the bonus features. The worst thing is the rip off of the making-of featurette. Only there isn't one. The disc fools you into thinking there is, but when you click on it, all you get is a three minute music video of a song called "How did we make Frozen", which ends with the line "We don'g know"! WTF was that about??? My only guess is that it's a set up to get us to double-dip in a future release that will include the comprehensive making-of featurette we were all expecting in this release. What a rip off!

[milojthatch]

My personal feeling about "Frozen" is this: It's an ok film that has been getting WAY too much hype the last few months. In fact, the hype has actually been hardening me on the film a little, which is a little sad as I didn't hate the film and even bought the Blu-ray (that I still have not watched).

I'm just really starting to get sick of so many "Let it Go" remakes. I'd wager (I don't actually know as I have not done the math) that despite the money made, "Frozen" hasn't put as many butts in seats in movie theaters as "Snow White".

So I kind of find it a little annoying when a review that may be a little bit more brutally honest about the merits of the film are questioned. Look, the film is good, but it's not THAT good. Just in the last few years, I'd have to say that "Tangled" is a better film and it never got this much hype.

Still, it will be interesting to see how the film is viewed in a decade or two.

at least it made more sense than the ridiculous "we all speak romance languages so we can easily understand each other" excuse in Atlantis...

Really? I can't remember that. At least the language barrier was better solved in "Atlantis", since the Atlanteans actually could understand several languages.

Ya, the language barrier issue in "Atlantis" was actually very well written how they dealt with it. The fact that the people of Atlantis understood so many different languages really tied together the idea that Atlantis had this special place in history and connection to all other civilizations. If one was going to slam that film, that would not be the most logical area to question. It's rather well designed.

[Vlad]

My personal feeling about "Frozen" is this: It's an ok film that has been getting WAY too much hype the last few months. In fact, the hype has actually been hardening me on the film a little, which is a little sad as I didn't hate the film and even bought the Blu-ray (that I still have not watched).

I'm just really starting to get sick of so many "Let it Go" remakes. I'd wager (I don't actually know as I have not done the math) that despite the money made, "Frozen" hasn't put as many butts in seats in movie theaters as "Snow White".

So I kind of find it a little annoying when a review that may be a little bit more brutally honest about the merits of the film are questioned. Look, the film is good, but it's not THAT good. Just in the last few years, I'd have to say that "Tangled" is a better film and it never got this much hype.

Still, it will be interesting to see how the film is viewed in a decade or two.

Really? I can't remember that. At least the language barrier was better solved in "Atlantis", since the Atlanteans actually could understand several languages.

Ya, the language barrier issue in "Atlantis" was actually very well written how they dealt with it. The fact that the people of Atlantis understood so many different languages really tied together the idea that Atlantis had this special place in history and connection to all other civilizations. If one was going to slam that film, that would not be the most logical area to question. It's rather well designed.

I, myself, am not sick of the Let It Go hype, since I listen to the song daily. Actually, I'm getting a little sick of the Hans quote " if only there was someone who loved you". Facebook is full of pics of various Disney scenes with this caption. It was funny at the beginning, but now it's getting a bit (just a bit) annoying.

[unprincess]

'k I take back what I said about Atlantis. I havent seen the movie in a while & I guess Im misremembering the scene in question. I actually love the film too, one of the ballsiest animated movies Disney ever made, I think.

[DisneyFan09]

'k I take back what I said about Atlantis. I havent seen the movie in a while & I guess Im misremembering the scene in question. I actually love the film too, one of the ballsiest animated movies Disney ever made, I think.

I've always liked "Atlantis" and to this day, I've never understood why it got so slammed. Perhaps it was the "CGI vs handdrawn"debate, but I never thought "Atlantis" was horrible. Sure, I'm not that biased, since I won't say it's the best Disney effort. The screenplay could have been less rushed, the last third could have been better, Helga could have been more developed, Mole could have been thrown out and Milo gets too much focus when the other characters are more interesting than him (in my opinion, though). But otherwise, I liked much about it; (most of) the characters, the animation, the story, the character designs and the score. Kida is an underrated Princess and should have been in the official Princess line. And I've always thought "Atlantis" was way better than the overrated, thinly-written "Lilo & Stitch", a film that had good potential, but was wasted.

[disneyphilip]

To all the people that said bad things about "Pocahontas", I very strongly disagree. It's a great, underrated film and the negative slams against it are not deserved. All the bad things that were said about it by Lady Cluck, et al. are completely wrong on every level!

As for the Frozen review, I do agree that Luke Bonano gets quite negative and seemingly hateful of the films and DVD's he reviews.

[Warm Regards]

To all the people that said bad things about "Pocahontas", I very strongly disagree. It's a great, underrated film and the negative slams against it are not deserved. All the bad things that were said about it by Lady Cluck, et al. are completely wrong on every level!

Pocahontas as a movie had beautiful colors and songs. But Pokey herself wasn't that interesting a character, IMO. Her motivations stemmed from wanting to be free? To go on a journey? Disney princess dreamers syndrome? Johnny was very bland too. I find his "kill some 'Injuns' attitude very fake and forced. His switch to respecting the tribes people was very rushed too and merely done to stress a romance that never was there to begin with.

Although I disagree about other peoples qualms on the voice actors being clunky. To me they were natural in speech. Maybe a bit gimmicky (that slow, enunciated speech one thinks when they think of Native American), but nothing too offensive. I also find it commendable that Disney would use ethnically accurate voice actors. Just a personal preference of mine is to have your characters voiced by the same race/ ethnicity. If it works otherwise, cool, but I am glad Disney did try for the authenticity.

[DisneyFan09]

Ok, so I didn't like the review because I loved the film.

But "Frozen" got several positive reviews as well. In fact, more positive than negative reviews. So why getting upset over one single, negative review?

[Mooky]

And I've always thought "Atlantis" was way better than the overrated, thinly-written "Lilo & Stitch", a film that had good potential, but was wasted.

[DisneyFan09]

And I've always thought "Atlantis" was way better than the overrated, thinly-written "Lilo & Stitch", a film that had good potential, but was wasted.

Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean?

[Angeldude98]

Ok, so I didn't like the review because I loved the film.

But "Frozen" got several positive reviews as well. In fact, more positive than negative reviews. So why getting upset over one single, negative review?

Let me clarify: I wasn't upset over it. It just suprised me because I didn't expect the reviewer of this particular site to be so negative about this film, when some of his past reviews on other films seemed to be asking (between the lines, of course) for Disney to release a film with all the elements that Frozen has, sometimes even expressing nostalgia for the Disney Rennaissance-style films. And now that they finally did and Frozen is one of the best films in the canon (along with Tangled), he was negative about it. I wasn't expecting that at all and that's why I didnt' like the review. But I wasn't upset. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and I have read far worse reviews by others who hated the film, and super great reviews by those who loved it (which FAR outnumber the bad ones, of course).

[DisneyFan09]

Well, to add my opinion about the most overrated film; I don't consider "TLK" to be overrated at all. I think it's a very strong and good film, which really deserves the success it had. Until "Frozen" came along (but at least "TLK" has the record of being the most successful handdrawn film). I shan't claim that it's perfect, but I think "TLK" has the right components coming together; A terrific soundtrack, great animation, great scenery and fine characters. The pacing is good and while I shan't say that all of the humor is excellent, I think "TLK" blends humor and drama well. "TLK" has enough depth and substance without being too heavy or gloomy.

I'm probably going to get hate for this, but the Disney movie that I consider to be most overrated is "Beauty and the Beast". Mostly because it's claimed to be the epitome of perfection. Each to their own, but "BATB" never clicked with me. While I like many aspects of it (the music, the animation, the character designs, the heroine), there are many flawed aspects.
First of all; Gaston. He's supposed to mirror the Beast's transformation, but the plot already had a strong antagonist in the Beast himself. Gaston's problem is that he comes off as a pathetic chick flick bully. His motivation is pretty weak, too. He wants to marry Belle because she's the hottest girl in town and because she's the only girl that doesn't swoon over him. Sure, he goes lengths to get his way, but it's a pretty vague reason.

I also dislike most of the slapstick humor and the juvenile humor. Otherwise, I'm not so fond of the characters. Three of them are highly annoying (Maurice, LeFou and Cogsworth and they have a lot of screentime) and with the exception of Belle and perhaps Chip, the rest are passable at their best. And as much as I like Belle, her character goals becomes minor in the course of the story.

And just to be said; I certainly don't hate "Beauty and the Beast". But do I consider it to be overrated? Yes, I do. I consider it to be inferior to "The Little Mermaid" more and more.

[Mooky]

Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean?

I know it's your opinion and all, it's just that I find the notion of Atlantis being in any way better than L&S extremely silly. Atlantis may have been somewhat revolutionary at the time of its release, but it's still a very mediocre movie in more ways than one.

[DisneyFan09]

I know it's your opinion and all, it's just that I find the notion of Atlantis being in any way better than L&S extremely silly. Atlantis may have been somewhat revolutionary at the time of its release, but it's still a very mediocre movie in more ways than one.

Okay, you're allowed to state and have your opinion, but you don't need to be rude about it.

"Atlantis" may not be perfect for the reasons that I've mentioned, but I consider it to be the better movie than "Lilo & Stitch". The latter had some good components (good songs, fine animation, some funny parts here and there), but I thought the execution of the story was poorly done. If you want me to elaborate, just ask.