Frozen: Part V

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I love Anna, so prepare for some rage here.
1. Anna is selfish, in that she always wants to get her way.
Yes, so selfish that she spends the whole entire movie worried and caring for her sister Elsa, and even wants to die for her.
She doesn’t consider the wishes of others, only her own.
That's right ! Because in the end she lets Elsa be slaughtered by Hans and she kisses Kristoff and lets her die. Oh wait !
Does she have any chores, or just roam the halls all day? Why not talk to the servants (Kai, Gerda, etc.) and help them with their functions, if she truly has nothing else to do?
She's like 3- 17 years old at this point, she's not going to do those sort of things, she's a Princess, why would she have chores ?
Why doesn’t Anna read? The castle surely has a library. Or write, for that matter? Why doesn’t she get some hobbies?
Anna doesn't seem like the type to do those sorts of things, that seems more like Elsa. Anna is more adventurous, reckless, restless, and outgoing. She's going to have more fun sliding down the castle staircase.
I’m sure that there are poor people in her kingdom wondering where there next meal is coming from who would have LOVED to have been brought up in Anna’s supposedly dreadful conditions.
This seems so manipulate to try and make people dislike Anna. She's a princess, not a queen.
Anna doesn’t even have to suffer the guilt for the accident – yet she was the one at fault for inadvertently causing it.
Again, manipulative. She was like, 3 years old when it occurred. She was basically a baby, a toddler.
During the coronation ceremony, when Elsa simply tells her sister that their relationship cannot be close, Anna storms off in a huff, acting as if she were entitled to her sister’s attentions
Because she believes that her sister Elsa, most likely dislikes her ! So of course Anna is going to be heartbroken and upset ! She just wants to be happy and having fun again with Elsa !
what does Anna do but thrust a guy right in Elsa’s face during the coronation party and begin talking about her engagement. “Me, me, me.”
Because Anna is alone, and I guess it's a crime now to fall in love and be so alone and so desperate for love and attention, that you cling to somebody, plus Hans was making her happy, cheerful and was giving her life. Hans also told her that he would never shut her out, like Elsa does. So of course Anna is going to be like this. Shame on you Anna for falling in love ! You sick twisted creature ! :roll:
Worse, Anna suddenly assumes an authority that she doesn’t have, treating it as a fait accompli that all 12 of Hans’s brothers will live in Elsa’s castle –
She's naive. She also failed to understand that Hans just told her that he didn't get along with his brothers at all, but she's naive.
Elsa tries desperately to speak with Anna alone, privately, to explain why this can’t happen. But Anna refuses even to concede that much. After years of wanting Elsa’s attention, she won’t even speak to her one on one.
Because Anna believes that Elsa is being cold to her again, and again, believes that her sister most likely hates her guts and refuses her to be happy with Hans.
Then Anna tries emotional manipulation
Hahahhaahaha ! Oh my gosh, comedy gooold ! I just can't ! Dear writer, you are the one who is being manipulative.
he individuals in attendance at this function are the representatives of nations with which Arendelle clearly has diplomatic relations, trade relations, etc. The impression that they form of the stability (or instability) of the Arendelle monarchy will determine their nations’ relationships to Arendelle in the future: Do we trade with Arendelle, or is it too politically unstable? Is the monarchy so feeble that we opportunistically attempt a coup?
It's a Disney movie, and Anna is a Disney princess. It's a family animated movie. Jasmine didn't give a toss about this, neither did Snow White, neither did anybody else.
Then, in the barn encounter with Kristoff, we see Anna’s trademark behavior again: pushiness and a belief that through pushiness, she can have her way. Kristoff wants to set out the next day, by daylight (when the road is safer), but Anna insists on leaving at night.
Because she's worried about Elsa. She understands Elsa now, or believes that she does, and she wants her back home safe.
Anna could have left, given Elsa time to process the information, then returned, or sent in Olaf as a negotiator.
Lol
she doesn’t spare a minute to ask the magic-wise trolls, “Oh, by the way, is there any way we can stop the magical winter over Arendelle?”
She's bloody, weak, on death's door, freezing cold, most likely has some serious heart problems, can barley stand, and most likely cannot focus or concentrate. It would be like trying to do a serious exam with the flu, you just cannot.

Hans is only there because of Anna’s rashness.
True, but Anna believed that Hans was true and worthy. She didn't believe or know that he was a sociopath. She's naive, but she's not bloody physic either.
Anna saves Elsa from Anna’s own mistake.
No, no, no, no, no. Do not put blame on the victim here ! Anna saves Elsa, from Hans' cruel and murderous ways. She's naive, she had no idea that Hans was evil, she save Elsa from Hans, and again, she put her own life in danger, to save her sister.
So while it is a sacrifice, it’s a sacrifice that is only necessary because of Anna’s own rash impulses.
She didn't have too though. The writer is acting like Anna left Elsa to die, and beheaded by Hans, to kiss Kristoff.
Anna emerges, unexpectedly, as being in many ways the true antagonist of Frozen.
* slams head on table *

This is like saying

Anna- I was mentally abused, taken advantage of, because I was so naive, lonely and innocent.

Hans- Yup.

Writer- It's all you fault, Anna you selfish cow.

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The only thing I don't understand that people keep mentioning is that Anna is alone and lonely almost her entire life …. but as far as I'm aware, she couldn't have been ? :?

She obviously had a loving and caring relationship with her parents, and was free to do as she pleased and socialise etc with everyone bar Elsa. She knows her way around 'outside the palace walls' as she makes her way with confidence to the dock, and during LIAOD they manage to visit all these interesting places around the outside of the palace, which Anna must know about. That's the only thing I find really inconsistent about the story; a Princess whom I would consider extremely trapped and lonely is Jasmine, who has had that her entire life, being locked away and no real life ahead of her.
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Tumblr users are masters at brainwashing and emotionally manipulating people into believing something wrong.

I mean, come on, Anna of all people is the antagonist? Methinks this was written by a butthurt Elsa fanboy/fangirl who cried just because her precious Snow Queen didn't get a boyfriend in the film, so they delight themselves in bashing Anna and pairing Elsa with Jack Mary Sue Frost.

Tumblr think their articles are legit just as long as they have pretty long words hard to understand, and suddenly their article makes the tumblerer look like a scholar or something. BS.
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Don't generalise. Tumblr is full of insightful Frozen fans and is a great source of food for thought. Tumblr is a place to voice (often opposing) opinions and art. It is not some sort of collective singularity. Just because an unpopular opinion has its source on tumblr doesn't mean everyone who uses tumblr shares that opinion. The number of notes any post has also does not necessarily reflect support of the statement.

Tumblr is no different to these forums - we certainly don't agree with each other on every single point. However we nevertheless like to share our opinions and see how others respond.
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It is an Internet thing rather than something specific to Tumblr. Tumblr does seem to attract a good number of these sorts though, not the majority by any means, but a number significant enough to colour the public perception of the site as a whole.
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Atlantica wrote:The only thing I don't understand that people keep mentioning is that Anna is alone and lonely almost her entire life …. but as far as I'm aware, she couldn't have been ? :?

She obviously had a loving and caring relationship with her parents, and was free to do as she pleased and socialise etc with everyone bar Elsa. She knows her way around 'outside the palace walls' as she makes her way with confidence to the dock, and during LIAOD they manage to visit all these interesting places around the outside of the palace, which Anna must know about. That's the only thing I find really inconsistent about the story; a Princess whom I would consider extremely trapped and lonely is Jasmine, who has had that her entire life, being locked away and no real life ahead of her.
You do know her parents were King and Queen of a Kingdom, right? they aren't always gonna have time to be there for her, so whatever attention and love they can give her would probably be limited. All of the other people residing in the castle would be servants who have jobs to do other than playing with a Princess. I don't think its that far fetched to believe that Anna could be so isolated and alone. It's obviously made worse once her parents die because she'll then basically be completely alone for 3 years before Hans shows up.
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Yes, course I know they were rulers adamw92; all I'm saying is that I don't quite get why Anna is pegged as alone and lonely for her whole life when, in my opinion, I didn't think that she was.

It's all subjective really isn't it, you can take what you want from the story, from whichever way you view it.
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By that same logic, Elsa is also not alone or lonely because she also had her parents... If anything, Elsa had more contact with those around her because, unlike Anna, she was in charge after their parents died. I don't think Anna especially knows anything about the place just because she can see where the dock is--wouldn't that be easy to find if you just follow water? She expresses surprise at the doors being opened in "FtFTiF." And why else would she sing, "There'll be actual real, live people! It'll be totally strange" if she hadn't been isolated?

As far as "Love Is an Open Door," that is an exaggeration of previous love moments in Disney like "So This Is Love" or "A Whole New World," so I wouldn't take that seriously. But even if we did, I don't remember any spot being too far from the palace except maybe a cliff (haven't seen the movie since December, so... Looking forward to my Blu-Ray!)? Which Hans could've lead her to, considering the whole song is about her being easily fooled by him.
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Atlantica wrote:all I'm saying is that I don't quite get why Anna is pegged as alone and lonely for her whole life when, in my opinion, I didn't think that she was.
it is entirely possible to feel/be alone and lonely even when surrounded by people. at high school. in a class of 30+, i often felt that way, and still do in some situations. with her parents being king and queen, they would have been busy with other things [trade meetings with weaseltown leaders, hans' kingdom etc] and the servants would have had other jobs to do. plus, the number of servants was reduced after the accident, so the remainder would have had an increased workload, with less time to spend on anna.
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I can see what all you guys are saying, but she just doesn't click with me for being this lonely character is all. That's just how I view her, rightly or wrongly.
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How frozen should have ended:

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^ :lol: I keep seeing, "If only someone loved you" on tumblr, and one of them had Anna saying this to Hans before the punch. Can't find it right now though...

Oh, and lookie:

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Behold the Disney Frozen Soundtrack Deluxe Edition on Vinyl, limited edition of 3,000.
Source: http://stitchkingdom.tumblr.com/post/77 ... xe-edition

I didn't know they still made vinyl.
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Warm Regards wrote:^ :lol: I keep seeing, "If only someone loved you" on tumblr, and one of them had Anna saying this to Hans before the punch. Can't find it right now though...

Oh, and lookie:

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Behold the Disney Frozen Soundtrack Deluxe Edition on Vinyl, limited edition of 3,000.
Source: http://stitchkingdom.tumblr.com/post/77 ... xe-edition

I didn't know they still made vinyl.
Oh yeah right now there's Vinyl at Best Buy and there was even a vinyl version of Pirates: Dead Man's Chest made.

It looks amazing, but at a $80 price tag I think I'll have to pass on it

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Yeah vinyl has definitely seen a comeback. Mostly for hipsters and audiophiles, but they do make for nice collectible pieces. I have a few framed vinyls.
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thedisneyspirit wrote:Tumblr users are masters at brainwashing and emotionally manipulating people into believing something wrong.

This so much ^
taei wrote:How frozen should have ended:

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My head says " hell yes, he deserved the worst "

My heart says " No, he's most likely gone through so much abuse already from his brothers, bby no... "
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I still think the best end for him would have been being turned into an elaborate ice statue in the middle of the rink. :D

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My heart is saying that there was neglect with Prince Hans but on the other hand I don't think his brother's were monsters as well. He might have been overlooked by everyone but he doesn't excuse him for what he tried to do to Anna and Elsa
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"'Frozen' Targeting Longest No. 1 Run for a Soundtrack Since 'Titanic'"
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What was the process behind writing "Let It Go"?

It took a while to find Elsa's moment where the song would take off from. At first, she was a spoiled brat and a misunderstood wild child. Then the character changed — she became more secretive, buttoned up, trying to be perfect. … It was hard to get there. But once we got there, it almost wrote itself. Idina [Menzel] has a small voice, but her belt voice is so powerful. The song would be about her going from one part of her voice to that — from quiet, shy, repressed, to Elsa with her powers

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*Awakens from cold sleep*

So, I just bought a nice 3D TV with my taxes, and wouldn't you know it, Disney. :P
I guess I can wait and make sure the 3D UK release is truly region free, or hope that my TV's 2D->3D Converter does a halfway decent job. Any waaaaaay...

*Shuffles back to pod*

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