Frozen: Part V

[disneystarsfan]

Man, why do people care about Let It Go so much? I can't be the only one who thinks it's trying too hard.

I think it's due to some of the subliminal symbolism that people can perceive from the lyrics. In my case, I can relate to the song very well, in regards to my orientation. I'm a Bisexual man and an Active Duty member of the U.S. Air Force so "Let it Go" really hits home for me since I could've been kicked out of the military back when "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was still in effect a few years ago. Needless to say, it was a struggle to keep my true self under wraps and now that it's okay for people to know who I really am as a person, it doesn't bother me anymore what other people say. I guess you could say, I've "let it go"(pun intended). lol

[thelittleursula]

Nah, I'm glad they cut that scene. I don't care about what tumblr thinks anyway, so their opinion is a big "whatever" for me.

Same here. Tumblr is mostly 12- 18 year old teenaged girls, so of course they would love the D-bag type of man.

Anyway, I don't understand why is Disney lately obsessed with making the main male leads/princes to be completely obnoxious at first. It follows the Anastasia/romantic comedy route too much of "two people don't get each other at first, then they're in love", with the bickering and the "misunderstanding" cliche, so annoying.

Guess because people love it. If people are loving Flynn and prefer the ass version of Kristoff over the sweetie canon Kristoff; we might be seeing this cliche more in Moana and Giants.

Funny you should say that, because I've read more than a few reactions on Tumblr of people who have walked out of Frozen once the Hans twist happens. So it seems that that reaction is already in place, among some viewers. Funnily enough, it probably would have been my reaction too (walking out in disgust at the film), if I hadn't been spoiled for the twist long in advance and thus had grimly reconciled myself to it.

Really ??

What's so wrong with Disney breaking the Prince Charming cliche ? They can't have the sweetie, romantic prince all the time. Disney did something different, refreshing, unique by making the person who would usually be the hero in a typical Disney movie, the badguy, they haven't done this since Beauty and the Beast with Gaston.

Man, why do people care about Let It Go so much? I can't be the only one who thinks it's trying too hard.

FINALLY

Always thought that the song was kinda average and Idnia's singing wasn't even that fantastic. Always preferred Frozen Heart because of the clever foreshadowing and Love Is A Open Door, because of again, clever foreshadowing so much more.

Let's be friends 8D

[Atlantica]

I do like Let It Go for sure, up there with the Disney Classics …. but I do find it to be sung quite 'shriek-like' in some parts, and I couldn't, until I googled the lyrics, understand what she said in others.

I think it is touched a little by the writers trying to create a Disney 'I want / I can / reflective song'; maybe when it has been done before it was a more natural development, whereas here its more of "People, the BIG song is coming … GET READY" if you get what I mean?

[dollover]

Nah, I'm glad they cut that scene. I don't care about what tumblr thinks anyway, so their opinion is a big "whatever" for me.

Anyway, I don't understand why is Disney lately obsessed with making the main male leads/princes to be completely obnoxious at first. It follows the Anastasia/romantic comedy route too much of "two people don't get each other at first, then they're in love", with the bickering and the "misunderstanding" cliche, so annoying.

Yes, it is annoying and overdone and cliche. I'm fine with never seeing it again in a Disney movie or any movie for that matter. It is possible for a guy to have a strong charismatic presence without being a douchebag, as ironically would have been shown by Hans if he hadn't turned out to be evil.

Also, it is never the case, at least in Disney princess movies, where the female is the jerk in the beginning and then turns into this loving creature with a heart of gold. This is because she would have immediately been branded a b@#$% (unlike the douchebag guy, who people seem to find charming) and everyone would have hated her no matter what she did to redeem herself. Double standard, yet I don't want to see this arc from a female either. Hmm I take that back, there was Meg, though she technically wasn't in a Disney princess movie. I can see it being argued that Anna kind of had this arc too, but it certainly wasn't as extreme as Naveen or Flynn's; she never really gave off that smarmy jerk vibe to me like they did.

[PrincessElsa]

I can see it being argued that Anna kind of had this arc too, but it certainly wasn't as extreme as Naveen or Flynn's; she never really gave off that smarmy jerk vibe to me like they did.

Sure she did, just in a different way:

http://melaniewyv.tumblr.com/post/74317741340/

That definitely was Anna's arc. It was just under the radar, because princess marketing.

[thedisneyspirit]

Bah any post made by any of those people like kioewewn and co on tumblr I just take with a grain of salt. Because they're constantly praising Elsa like man's greatest creation (hint: she's not) and turning her into the village whore while villifying Anna to the extreme.

[Atlantica]

I can see it being argued that Anna kind of had this arc too, but it certainly wasn't as extreme as Naveen or Flynn's; she never really gave off that smarmy jerk vibe to me like they did.

Sure she did, just in a different way:

http://melaniewyv.tumblr.com/post/74317741340/

That definitely was Anna's arc. It was just under the radar, because princess marketing.

Wow. Now that was an interesting read; certainly makes me do a double take of Anna's character.

[Disney's Divinity]

I personally think that was a huge load. Anna's concerns do revolve around herself at the beginning of the film (which makes sense, since she is never with anyone else, obviously), but the rest of the movie is about her going to help Elsa. I don't see her as pushy in any way, and she's definitely nothing like Naveen or Flynn.

Tbh, I find the sentiment of most of these tumblr posts to be sour grapes that Elsa didn't have all the screen time all to herself. Which is okay to feel, but like it or not Anna is also one of the main characters. If you don't like her, fine. But the filmmakers made her a protagonist for a reason, and it's time to move on instead of constantly trying to knock her just because she isn't Elsa. That whole article came across like someone pissed Elsa wasn't the only protagonist who wanted to demonize the Anna character as much as possible, rather than someone who legitimately had problems with Anna outside the fact that she isn't Elsa.

I think "Let It Go" resonates with so many people because it isn't another "I want" song, which are often the highlight musical performances for princesses in Disney movies- it's an "I can" song.

I agree, and it's more impressive because of it. Instead of being passive sitting around and wishing, it's an active expression for once. The only other princess song that comes close to being "active," would probably be "Part of Your World (Reprise)"--"watch and you'll see, someday I'll be"--although "Let It Go" is probably even better because it has nothing to do with attaining a man. And I personally would have to go back to Judy Kuhn in Pocahontas to find a better singer than Menzel.

[Old Fish Tale]

Sure she did, just in a different way:

http://melaniewyv.tumblr.com/post/74317741340/

That definitely was Anna's arc. It was just under the radar, because princess marketing.

Wow. Now that was an interesting read; certainly makes me do a double take of Anna's character.

Absolutely. After seeing the film for the first time, I remember thinking to myself she wouldn't listen to anyone or anything. But this was very perceptive.

[RayCRP]

I think that's reading too far into it. Many if not all children go through a phase where they think they are entitled to everything. Couple that with growing up isolated from society, and Anna couldn't help but think of only herself, because she doesn't know how to otherwise.

In other news, the UK and Taiwan now have covers for their 3D Blu-rays.



And then there's Mexico.



Whereas here in the US, we have squat for a 3D release.

[qindarka]

That Tumblr post is a load of twaddle, constantly reaching in order to support its hypothesis.

[SWillie!]

Yeah... Elsa, you gotta stop posting tumblr rants as if they are a good source of film review. It's just some random person babbling about nonsense most of the time, attempting to sound like they've picked up on what every other person has missed.

The fact that it's fairly easy to attract a following on tumblr seems to go to a lot of people's heads, imo. "People want to listen to me, I must be right about this!"

[unprincess]

count me in as another one who prefers movie Kristoff to deleted scene Kristoff. He was a nice change of pace from Flynn & Naveen(though Naveen never bothered me as much as Flynn.)
I did like the googles though.

[PrincessElsa]

Well, I personally think the melaniewyv tumblr post was spot on, but here are a couple more takes on the same idea:

http://queenofnorthmountain.tumblr.com/ ... redemption

http://narwhalphonse.tumblr.com/post/75737229565/

The only reason I post them is because I find them expressing the same general views I do. You can ignore them if you wish, but I think they're on to something. The question was, does Anna have a jerk-to-goodness arc (at least as far as a Disney Princess (TM) can ever be shown to be legitimately flawed -- not "spunky" flawed, but with truly unappealing flaws in her character that are undesirable and need to be worked on -- otherwise, it's not much of a flaw), and I think these posts illustrate how she does.

Tbh, I find the sentiment of most of these tumblr posts to be sour grapes that Elsa didn't have all the screen time all to herself. Which is okay to feel, but like it or not Anna is also one of the main characters. If you don't like her, fine. But the filmmakers made her a protagonist for a reason, and it's time to move on instead of constantly trying to knock her just because she isn't Elsa. That whole article came across like someone pissed Elsa wasn't the only protagonist who wanted to demonize the Anna character as much as possible, rather than someone who legitimately had problems with Anna outside the fact that she isn't Elsa.

It's interesting that you mention this, because I used to wonder the same thing: "Is my dislike of Anna just due to the fact that I find Elsa so compelling?"

I thought it wasn't, because I often mused how much more I would have enjoyed the film if, say, Rapunzel had been Elsa's sister instead of Anna.

And the recently released clip of the previous version of Anna (the one with the tougher Kristoff character) confirmed it for me: it really isn't that I dislike movie!Anna for taking away Elsa screen time. I simply dislike movie!Anna as a character, and I'd feel the same way if there were no Elsa in the movie at all, or an Elsa who were a blue-skinned villain or what not. It's just, to me, an extremely unlikable character type. I don't mind other recent "feisty, spunky" Disney princesses nearly as much (mind you, I've never seen Brave).

The other Anna, the one in the deleted earlier clip, I found to be much more likable. If she'd been the character taking up two-third of the movie's screen time, I wouldn't have minded as much, as I'd have sooner enjoyed her scenes.

[thedisneyspirit]

Nah, if Merida had been in Anna's place, the movie would have been a huge dud. I do like that Anna realizes that her actions have consequences, admits she makes mistakes and grows during the story.

The Anna from the deleted clip seems to have no personality.

My two cents on Elsa, now that we're talking: while I think she's a lovely character, and definitely one of the most "stand-out" princesses of Disney in general, in the sea of fictional characters outside of Disney I wouldn't place her in a huge high spot. There are even other white haired heroines with a more compelling/inspirational journey than Elsa's and whom I find much more likeable/relatable (Daenerys Targaryen and Lady Amalthea come to mind).

I think if Elsa didn't have the "It" song of the movie, most people would just forget about her. After Let It Go, the story doesn't do anything that impressive with her, if i recall. Instead she's scared and afraid again once we see her meetup with Anna, funny how her earlier song suggested she was over her fears. continuity...

All just opinion of course. *hides before people throw tomatoes at me*

[Disney's Divinity]

I think if Elsa didn't have the "It" song of the movie, most people would just forget about her. After Let It Go, the story doesn't do anything that impressive with her, if i recall. Instead she's scared and afraid again once we see her meetup with Anna, funny how her earlier song suggested she was over her fears. continuity...

I admit, that was the one problem I posted about after seeing the movie the first time. When I went to see it again, it made more sense to me and I don't think it breaks continuity. One of the earliest lyrics in the song is "turn away and slam the door," but Anna's appearance at Elsa's ice palace opens the door against Elsa's desire. I believe Elsa thought nobody would follow her and that way she would no longer have to care, which is similar to most family estrangements. "Closing the door" makes you feel strong because you no longer have to confront your feelings or be restrained by familial loyalty, but one of the movie's main messages is that the door between family members shouldn't be closed. And while Anna reappearing to open the door again reignites Elsa's fear, it ultimately leads to their happy ending. And Elsa does come across fairly strong in that scene before Anna lets her know that she's set off a winter everywhere.

Overall, I like the way they used the idea of doors in this movie.

[Jay]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/t ... splay?bftw

This girl should go to Disney World and be Elsa.

[qindarka]

Let it Go isn't meant to be taken completely at face value. It is partly the empowering anthem that it first appears to be, of course it's a good thing that Elsa is trying out her powers. On the other hand, she is essentially running away and isolating herself, something which she doesn't actually want.

Pretty good write-up about that here:

This is pretty standard Disney songwriting, reminiscent of Beauty and the Beast‘s ‘Belle’ or The Little Mermaid‘s ‘Part of Your World’, both songs in which the heroines express their hopes and dreams, and the hunger which will drive them to make them real. The music and the sweep Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee’s visuals provide Elsa with further her power, but in reality, Elsa is at her weakest her. Sure she’s “free”, in so much as she no longer has to hide her power, but her emancipation has come at a cost, one she acknowledges, but doesn’t seem to fully understand. “A kingdom of isolation / And it looks like I’m the Queen,” goes one of the songs lines, with another adding emphatically, ”The wing is howling / Like this swirling storm inside / Couldn’t keep it in / Heaven knows I tried…” This isn’t a song of defiance, as it’s so easy to misconstrue it as, but one of denial, a point confirmed by the closing lines: “Turn away and slam the door / I don’t care what they’re going to say / Let the storm rage on / The cold never bothered me anyway.”

Indeed, the cold is all Elsa has now. Alienated from her only remaining family, she is truly alone, with no chance of truly mastering her magic or experiencing happiness. Hers, in effect, is a story of depression and how others react to those suffering from depression. Her natural and unchangeable state of being has separated her from the surrounding world, which doesn’t comprehend her problems or understand how to help her escape from them. Instead, she flees, refusing any kind of human contact (“I don’t care what they’re going to say”) and accepting her life of inner turmoil as inescapable (“Let the storm rage on!”). That the song is crafted as a typical Disney song of defiance and goal-setting only further emphasises the emotions at play here. Whereas Belle and Ariel sang of their dreams, Elsa’s been stripped of such luxuries, and as savvy audience members, we make the connection from this film to its predecessors. As the scene closes with Elsa slamming the door of her new palace shut (doors are used as symbols of emotional connect and disconnect throughout), the audience is left as split as she is: enthralled by the music, but saddened by the lyrics.

http://www.fromdirector.net/directors-c ... ozen-2013/

[disneyprincess11]

An Oscar Voter Spills Secrets
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/oscar-vote ... itics.html

Here’s the important category: Best Song. Is it “Let It Go” from Frozen or the U2 song from Mandela?

I voted for the one from Despicable Me 2. I didn’t think any of them are really great.

[taei]

Ok..

I personally never thought Anna was selfish. Actually, one of my favorite things about her is that she is selfless.
Like when Elsa kicked her out, she didn't think about herself, she thought about the kingdom and she thought about Kristoff's ice business. Or how about when she ventured out alone because she needed to fix the problem that she made?
In the moment when she's freezing to death, shivering, and barely able to speak, she tells Olaf to get away from the fire.
To me, Anna is probably the most selfless Disney princess behind Mulan.

As for Kristoff, I loved his character because he was human. People say that he was boring, but I actually thought he was sassy throughout the movie. He was a guy who just wanted to help a girl out.

As for the screen time.. I never had a problem with it because it all made sense to me. Elsa's storyline involved her learning to accept her powers to control them. That's it. Anna's storyline involved her learning that True Love isn't exactly what it seems, that love between family is stronger than others. The importance of getting to know someone before making a huge decision. Learning that no matter what, you never leave your family behind, she stood by Elsa even after knowing that she was a "Witch/monster". And most of all, stand behind the people you love.
It made sense to me that Elsa didn't get as much screen time because Anna required it.
Seriously. There are so many people who are so bedazzled by Elsa that they fail to see how good of a job they did with Anna.
In my opinion, the scene where Anna could barely walk on the fjord was more heartbreaking than seeing Elsa looked in her room.