Frozen: Part V

[TsWade2]

Frozen won the Annie awards for:

Best Animated Feature
Directing in an Animated Feature Production
Music in an Animated Feature Production
Production Design in an Animated Feature Production
Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production (Josh Gad)

Yes ! Well done ! Just now gotta get those Oscars !

YIPPEE SKIPPEE!

[DisneyEra]

Frozen won the Annie awards for:

Best Animated Feature
Directing in an Animated Feature Production
Music in an Animated Feature Production
Production Design in an Animated Feature Production
Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production (Josh Gad)

Yes ! Well done ! Just now gotta get those Oscars !

Not just yet. The BAFTA awards are next, then the Oscars!

[DisneyFan09]

I just found this on Tumblr! How embarrassing!

http://sotiris2006.tumblr.com/image/75280802524

The Swedes like their sun and snow ship.

That's why we Norwegians refer to the Swedes as stupid, haha. But it's just a joke.

[adamw92]

It's now the 3rd highest grossing film of 2013 $864.4 million!!

[Musical Master]

It's now the 3rd highest grossing film of 2013 $864.4 million!!

YAY!

Now it's an Annie award winner, I'm excited for the BAFTA's and the Oscars!

[disneyprincess11]

It's now the 3rd highest grossing film of 2013 $864.4 million!!

YAY!

Now it's an Annie award winner, I'm excited for the BAFTA's and the Oscars!

Annnnnnd it might reach a billion!

[DisneyFan09]

I miss the days when Disney's making-of documentaries actually had some substance to them.

So do I, man. So do I. It's quite ironic that Disney are having bare-bones extras, despite their success now.

A part of me is hoping that the paltry extras here is simply to placate anyone who wants extras now, while an "Ultimate Collector's Edition" is being prepped for Holiday 2014, including the 3-D version, and a bonus disc with extensive making-of material. That would certainly explain why the 3-D version isn't offered now.

That would have been awesome.

[thelittleursula]

It's now the 3rd highest grossing film of 2013 $864.4 million!!

YAY!

Now it's an Annie award winner, I'm excited for the BAFTA's and the Oscars!

Silly question ! Uhm, when are the BAFTA's ???

[adamw92]

Really hoping it'll soldier on straight to $1 billion and the BAFTA's are Feb 16th.

[Atlantica]

http://www.elle.com/_mobile/news/cultur ... &7377698=1

Is that really true about her eyeball proportion?!

I don't agree there should be a 'plus size' Princess, but having real measurements for their next Princess would be a start....!

[taei]

http://www.elle.com/_mobile/news/cultur ... &7377698=1

Is that really true about her eyeball proportion?!

I don't agree there should be a 'plus size' Princess, but having real measurements for their next Princess would be a start....!

The one thing I didn't like about the frozen gals are their eyes. And how big they are. One critic said that they looked like Aliens, lol.

I don't understand why people need to have a character that looks exactly like them. I feel like you should establish a connection with a character based on hobbies or characters, not looks. Whenever I see people posting on tumblr how a new plus size princess should exist, my only response is: Why are we pushing this idea that physical image matters a lot?

[Patrick]

http://www.elle.com/_mobile/news/cultur ... &7377698=1

Is that really true about her eyeball proportion?!

I don't agree there should be a 'plus size' Princess, but having real measurements for their next Princess would be a start....!

LOL As if ELLE can talk about body image! Just some examples of Elle and their accurately portrayed role model covers:

http://restorseastage.files.wordpress.c ... -blog2.jpg
http://bonzaldaily.com/wp-content/uploa ... gazine.jpg
http://www.secondcitystyle.com/images/6 ... 70c-pi.jpg
http://www.skinnyvscurvy.com/wp-content ... gazine.jpg

[Victurtle]

I agree.

I do feel that Disney missed the opportunity to make Rapunzel a little larger. For a girl with limited space to run and the strength to pull mother Gothel up a huge tower, she is awfully skinny and void of muscle. "Getting little chubby" would've made a lot more sense.

However I would also draw the line at the far end of plus size. I might get a few attacks for this, but Hollywood/Disney should not try to normalise unhealthy body sizes. Depression is not the only consequence of being oversized. When you are at this stage, you need to be inspired to become healthier, rather than be okay with their current state, which puts you at many health risks.

[SWillie!]

No, I absolutely agree. Sure, to highlight a "healthy, normal sized" person is great. I feel they did that with Merida. A little bigger than Merida couldn't hurt. But to highlight "plus size"... as in, notably larger than the rest of the princess, will only serve to alienate that princess. She will, without any doubt, always and forever be the "fat princess". And so, anyone who identifies with her will be identifying with the "fat princess." Only bad things come of that. They need to highlight the normal medium, rather than any plus or minuses.

Note that when I say "plus size" I'm not talking about what women's magazines call "plus size." That's bogus.

[Sotiris]

I don't agree there should be a 'plus size' Princess

Why not? I think it would be a great idea and an opportunity to have some rarely-seen positive representation of plus-sized women in the media.

I don't understand why people need to have a character that looks exactly like them. I feel like you should establish a connection with a character based on hobbies or characters, not looks. Why are we pushing this idea that physical image matters a lot?

Because representation is important. Media heavily influences social and cultural perceptions. Therefore, it's imperative to offer accurate representation that will help eradicate evils like racism, sexism, homophobia etc and lead to a more healthy and egalitarian society. It's not about people not being able to relate to characters outside their group or being superficial, it's about about the perceptions that media constructs around said group which directly affects people's lives. Sometimes physical attributes cannot be divorced from one's sense of identity. This especially true when it come to things like race which is associated with specific physical traits. Accurate portrayal gives you a sense of pride and belonging and can inspire you to achieve goals that you thought were restricted to you because of the way you looked. For example, Mae Jemison, the first black female astronaut, was inspired to join NASA after watching Lieutenant Uhura on Star Trek. There are countless cases like that.

However I would also draw the line at the far end of plus size.

I'm glad you've made a distinction here. I don't think people asking for a plus-sized princess meant extreme cases of morbid obesity. Let's not forget that even if you're a little chubby, you're still labeled as "fat" and are subjected to ridicule, prejudice and discrimination.

[Marce82]

I agree with everything Sotiris is saying, yet I don't think there necessarily needs to be a plus sized princess.
I think media overall needs to change in the way it represents people. I think it is way more harmful to see a heavily manipulated magazine cover than a cartoon of a skinny girl. We know a cartoon is a cartoon. But a picture on a magazine we assume is "real".

Actually, if one watches Snow White, she wasn't so skinny herself (current merchandising makes her skinnier). Aurora CLEARLY wore a corset, but she actually had a discernable ribcage. I actually think it was Ariel that started the super skinny thing... but its a cartoon! Its stylized!

I am actually not a fan of the body shapes of Rapunzel, Anna and Elsa. Specially the former, she looks like there ISN'T enough room for a ribcage. Marc Davis once said that if one traced live action, then the woman would "look fat", that everything became flat. And for traditional animation, I think he was right. On CGI though... it makes them look a bit weird. I think they do need to be more anatomically correct.

And yes, the eyes on all three CG princesses look a tad too big (and Elsa's jaw is way too small... she looks very odd when her teeth are visible)

Should DIsney make an effort to have a plus size princess? Only if the story calls for it. It is VERY easy to slip and make a cartoon grotesque or unattractive. One doesn;t have the same range of subtleties one does with live action.

Media does need to change: actresses and models and the likes... THOSE are the messed up ones. Not artistic renderings of women.

[Disney's Divinity]

However I would also draw the line at the far end of plus size. I might get a few attacks for this, but Hollywood/Disney should not try to normalise unhealthy body sizes.

They kind of already do.

I agree that the media shouldn't "normalize" morbid obesity, but it kind of seems pointless to talk about them in regards to what is/should be "normal" when, with Disney, the majority of their female characters already have unhealthy body sizes.

Not that I care to a huge degree since I agree with Marce82 that these are stylized designs.

[Victurtle]

Oh sorry, I was only thinking of unhealthily larger body sizes. Forgot about unhealthily thin.

It's a bit hard for me, because I go to the gym and see many women who are very fit and have the similar body shapes as Elsa/Anna/Ariel/Belle. I don't automatically think of them as anorexic or borderline (although Elsa's arms are a bit of a worry, but understandable given her backstory). I think they have an ideal healthy body shape, albeit stylised. Women and girls who want to emulate that have the choice to achieve that the proper way - through physical activity, or the improper way, by dieting. I think Disney would benefit from a female lead that shows us why she is healthy. Merida came close to that I felt.

[Atlantica]

I don't agree there should be a 'plus size' Princess

Why not? I think it would be a great idea and an opportunity to have some rarely-seen positive representation of plus-sized women in the media.

But is it a positive representation though ? Surely it's going from one extreme to the other; having really skinny Princesses on one hand, then much larger on the other. Can't there be a happy medium of a 'normal' sized girl?

Extremely thin to much larger makes no sense.

[rodis]

I'm always baffled by people who urge the media to promote "large figures", as if they're oblivious to the fact that it's UNHEALTHY to be overweight. (I'm aware of the fact that you guys were discussing normal-sized princesses here and not overweight).